Advice Please CD and DVD Drives Gone AWOL

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Paul Carter, Dec 9, 2005.

  1. Paul Carter

    Paul Carter Guest

    Any and all helpful suggestions welcome.

    My system was working fine until yesterday when both my CD writer and DVD writer
    disappeared! The system is a bit of a mish mash of things I've added over the
    years, it has three Hard Drives of various sizes, 2 IDE and 1 SATA, an AMD Duron
    1.1 chip and a MSI motherboard. The case, motherboard and chip are about 4
    years old. Running Windows XP Pro, but I don't think that matters, as the
    missing drives no longer appear in the BIOS .

    I have also noticed that I've lost half my memory, I used to have 512mb, now
    have only 248.

    Any suggestions as to how to recalim my missing drives and memory?

    I'm not sure where to start looking.

    Thanks.

    Paul
     
    Paul Carter, Dec 9, 2005
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  2. Paul Carter

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Paul Carter wrote:
    > Any and all helpful suggestions welcome.
    >
    > My system was working fine until yesterday when both my CD writer and
    > DVD writer disappeared! The system is a bit of a mish mash of things
    > I've added over the years, it has three Hard Drives of various sizes,
    > 2 IDE and 1 SATA, an AMD Duron
    > 1.1 chip and a MSI motherboard. The case, motherboard and chip are
    > about 4 years old. Running Windows XP Pro, but I don't think that
    > matters, as the missing drives no longer appear in the BIOS .
    >
    > I have also noticed that I've lost half my memory, I used to have
    > 512mb, now have only 248.
    >
    > Any suggestions as to how to recalim my missing drives and memory?
    >
    > I'm not sure where to start looking.


    I'd turn it off at the wall and remove and reseat the RAM and IDE cables (at
    both ends) and hope that it fixes it. Support the board a bit when
    re-seating as they can flex a bit. If you have more money than I do, get
    some CO cleaner from DSE (or somewhere) and spray it into the RAM slots when
    you have the RAM out. (My CO cleaner is just about empty. <sigh>)

    Good luck, post back if that doesn't help. Fingers crossed that it isn't due
    to component failure.
    --
    ~misfit~
     
    ~misfit~, Dec 9, 2005
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  3. Paul Carter wrote:
    > Any and all helpful suggestions welcome.
    >
    > My system was working fine until yesterday when both my CD writer and DVD writer
    > disappeared! The system is a bit of a mish mash of things I've added over the
    > years, it has three Hard Drives of various sizes, 2 IDE and 1 SATA, an AMD Duron
    > 1.1 chip and a MSI motherboard. The case, motherboard and chip are about 4
    > years old. Running Windows XP Pro, but I don't think that matters, as the
    > missing drives no longer appear in the BIOS .
    >
    > I have also noticed that I've lost half my memory, I used to have 512mb, now
    > have only 248.
    >
    > Any suggestions as to how to recalim my missing drives and memory?
    >
    > I'm not sure where to start looking.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Paul


    Sony may have rootkitted you ... have a look at
    http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=924
     
    Mark Robinson, Dec 9, 2005
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  4. Paul Carter

    Mark Remfrey Guest

    "Mark Robinson" <2tod.net> wrote in message
    news:2tod.net...
    > Paul Carter wrote:
    >> Any and all helpful suggestions welcome.
    >>
    >> My system was working fine until yesterday when both my CD writer and DVD
    >> writer
    >> disappeared! The system is a bit of a mish mash of things I've added over
    >> the
    >> years, it has three Hard Drives of various sizes, 2 IDE and 1 SATA, an
    >> AMD Duron
    >> 1.1 chip and a MSI motherboard. The case, motherboard and chip are about
    >> 4
    >> years old. Running Windows XP Pro, but I don't think that matters, as
    >> the
    >> missing drives no longer appear in the BIOS .
    >>
    >> I have also noticed that I've lost half my memory, I used to have 512mb,
    >> now
    >> have only 248.
    >>
    >> Any suggestions as to how to recalim my missing drives and memory?
    >>
    >> I'm not sure where to start looking.
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >> Paul

    >
    > Sony may have rootkitted you ... have a look at
    > http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=924


    There's also Starforce which is being used by a lot of game developers......
    it's NASTY! Does the same sort of crap as Sony does.

    Starforce's website has a forum running, and oh boy! Does it get a hammering
    from pissed off people, where it's breaking DVD/CD drives! Their support is
    considered quite rude, with comments like "DRM is here to stay, get used to
    it!" and locking of forum threads when they start losing.... LMAO

    --


    Regards,
    Mark Remfrey

    "Two wrongs don't make a right.... it usually takes three or more!"
     
    Mark Remfrey, Dec 9, 2005
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  5. Paul Carter

    Paul Carter Guest

    >
    >I'd turn it off at the wall and remove and reseat the RAM and IDE cables (at
    >both ends) and hope that it fixes it. Support the board a bit when
    >re-seating as they can flex a bit. If you have more money than I do, get
    >some CO cleaner from DSE (or somewhere) and spray it into the RAM slots when
    >you have the RAM out. (My CO cleaner is just about empty. <sigh>)
    >
    >Good luck, post back if that doesn't help. Fingers crossed that it isn't due
    >to component failure.


    Thanks for this. I've unplugged the RAM and cables, then re plugged them.

    Good news, the CD and DVD drives came back.

    Bad news, now they have gone again. They seem to come and go randomly at the
    moment. When they appear they work fine. What part of the system could be
    causing this? It seems that something is going to fail permanently soon. Any
    ideas what?

    Paul
     
    Paul Carter, Dec 9, 2005
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  6. Paul Carter

    Bret Guest

    On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:53:56 +1300, Paul Carter <>
    wrote:

    >>
    >>I'd turn it off at the wall and remove and reseat the RAM and IDE cables (at
    >>both ends) and hope that it fixes it. Support the board a bit when
    >>re-seating as they can flex a bit. If you have more money than I do, get
    >>some CO cleaner from DSE (or somewhere) and spray it into the RAM slots when
    >>you have the RAM out. (My CO cleaner is just about empty. <sigh>)
    >>
    >>Good luck, post back if that doesn't help. Fingers crossed that it isn't due
    >>to component failure.

    >
    >Thanks for this. I've unplugged the RAM and cables, then re plugged them.
    >
    >Good news, the CD and DVD drives came back.
    >
    >Bad news, now they have gone again. They seem to come and go randomly at the
    >moment. When they appear they work fine. What part of the system could be
    >causing this? It seems that something is going to fail permanently soon. Any
    >ideas what?
    >


    Check your caps for goo.

    http://cquirke.mvps.org/badcaps.htm
     
    Bret, Dec 10, 2005
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  7. Paul Carter

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Bret wrote:
    > On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:53:56 +1300, Paul Carter <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>>
    >>> I'd turn it off at the wall and remove and reseat the RAM and IDE
    >>> cables (at both ends) and hope that it fixes it. Support the board
    >>> a bit when re-seating as they can flex a bit. If you have more
    >>> money than I do, get some CO cleaner from DSE (or somewhere) and
    >>> spray it into the RAM slots when you have the RAM out. (My CO
    >>> cleaner is just about empty. <sigh>)
    >>>
    >>> Good luck, post back if that doesn't help. Fingers crossed that it
    >>> isn't due to component failure.

    >>
    >> Thanks for this. I've unplugged the RAM and cables, then re plugged
    >> them.
    >>
    >> Good news, the CD and DVD drives came back.
    >>
    >> Bad news, now they have gone again. They seem to come and go
    >> randomly at the moment. When they appear they work fine. What part
    >> of the system could be causing this? It seems that something is
    >> going to fail permanently soon. Any ideas what?
    >>

    >
    > Check your caps for goo.
    >
    > http://cquirke.mvps.org/badcaps.htm


    Good advice. I was hoping we wouldn't have to go there but was prepared for
    it. Hence the "post back" comment.

    Did the RAM come back?

    Do you have another IDE cable you can try? I'd take off, then put back on,
    the jumpers for master/slave on the drives too, oxidation over time can
    cause them to lose a bit of contact. (Also, it gives you a chance to check
    that they're jumpered correctly, with the master at the end of the cable).

    Also check the Molex (power) plugs into the drives. If any is sharing with a
    case fan make sure that one of the pins hasn't pushed back, causing
    intermittent contact.

    Good luck, be sure to get back to us.
    --
    ~misfit~
     
    ~misfit~, Dec 10, 2005
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  8. Paul Carter

    smf Guest

    Bret wrote:
    > On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:53:56 +1300, Paul Carter <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>> I'd turn it off at the wall and remove and reseat the RAM and IDE cables (at
    >>> both ends) and hope that it fixes it. Support the board a bit when
    >>> re-seating as they can flex a bit. If you have more money than I do, get
    >>> some CO cleaner from DSE (or somewhere) and spray it into the RAM slots when
    >>> you have the RAM out. (My CO cleaner is just about empty. <sigh>)
    >>>
    >>> Good luck, post back if that doesn't help. Fingers crossed that it isn't due
    >>> to component failure.

    >> Thanks for this. I've unplugged the RAM and cables, then re plugged them.
    >>
    >> Good news, the CD and DVD drives came back.
    >>
    >> Bad news, now they have gone again. They seem to come and go randomly at the
    >> moment. When they appear they work fine. What part of the system could be
    >> causing this? It seems that something is going to fail permanently soon. Any
    >> ideas what?
    >>

    >
    > Check your caps for goo.
    >
    > http://cquirke.mvps.org/badcaps.htm
    >


    thats exactly what i was gonna say .....
    caps are ready to, or are starting to lose their integrity.
    A few MSI boards have had this problem -

    S
     
    smf, Dec 10, 2005
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  9. Paul Carter

    Rob J Guest

    In article <439a7399$>, time.enough***@gmail.com says...
    > Bret wrote:
    > > On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:53:56 +1300, Paul Carter <>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > >>> I'd turn it off at the wall and remove and reseat the RAM and IDE cables (at
    > >>> both ends) and hope that it fixes it. Support the board a bit when
    > >>> re-seating as they can flex a bit. If you have more money than I do, get
    > >>> some CO cleaner from DSE (or somewhere) and spray it into the RAM slots when
    > >>> you have the RAM out. (My CO cleaner is just about empty. <sigh>)
    > >>>
    > >>> Good luck, post back if that doesn't help. Fingers crossed that it isn't due
    > >>> to component failure.
    > >> Thanks for this. I've unplugged the RAM and cables, then re plugged them.
    > >>
    > >> Good news, the CD and DVD drives came back.
    > >>
    > >> Bad news, now they have gone again. They seem to come and go randomly at the
    > >> moment. When they appear they work fine. What part of the system could be
    > >> causing this? It seems that something is going to fail permanently soon. Any
    > >> ideas what?
    > >>

    > >
    > > Check your caps for goo.
    > >
    > > http://cquirke.mvps.org/badcaps.htm
    > >

    >
    > thats exactly what i was gonna say .....
    > caps are ready to, or are starting to lose their integrity.
    > A few MSI boards have had this problem -

    Including ones made for other companies like IBM
     
    Rob J, Dec 10, 2005
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  10. Paul Carter

    Menoeceus Guest

    On , , Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:53:56 +1300, Re: Advice Please CD and
    DVD Drives Gone AWOL, Paul Carter <> wrote:

    >>
    >>I'd turn it off at the wall and remove and reseat the RAM and IDE cables (at
    >>both ends) and hope that it fixes it. Support the board a bit when
    >>re-seating as they can flex a bit. If you have more money than I do, get
    >>some CO cleaner from DSE (or somewhere) and spray it into the RAM slots when
    >>you have the RAM out. (My CO cleaner is just about empty. <sigh>)
    >>
    >>Good luck, post back if that doesn't help. Fingers crossed that it isn't due
    >>to component failure.

    >
    >Thanks for this. I've unplugged the RAM and cables, then re plugged them.
    >
    >Good news, the CD and DVD drives came back.
    >
    >Bad news, now they have gone again. They seem to come and go randomly at the
    >moment. When they appear they work fine. What part of the system could be
    >causing this? It seems that something is going to fail permanently soon. Any
    >ideas what?


    The motherboard, capacitors.

    ---
    "You can't fight evil with a macaroni duck!"
     
    Menoeceus, Dec 10, 2005
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  11. Paul Carter

    Paul Carter Guest

    >
    >Sony may have rootkitted you ... have a look at
    >http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=924


    Thanks for the reply, but that's not the answer.
    I never trust anything that wants to install it's own player/software.

    Paul
     
    Paul Carter, Dec 10, 2005
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  12. Paul Carter

    Paul Carter Guest


    >>Good news, the CD and DVD drives came back.
    >>
    >>Bad news, now they have gone again. They seem to come and go randomly at the
    >>moment. When they appear they work fine. What part of the system could be
    >>causing this? It seems that something is going to fail permanently soon. Any
    >>ideas what?

    >
    >The motherboard, capacitors.
    >

    Damn, can I get them replaced?

    Or, as the board and chip are about 4 years old, am I better off replacing the
    board with a new one?

    Paul
     
    Paul Carter, Dec 10, 2005
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  13. Paul Carter

    Bret Guest

    On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:38:36 +1300, Paul Carter <>
    wrote:

    >
    >>>Good news, the CD and DVD drives came back.
    >>>
    >>>Bad news, now they have gone again. They seem to come and go randomly at the
    >>>moment. When they appear they work fine. What part of the system could be
    >>>causing this? It seems that something is going to fail permanently soon. Any
    >>>ideas what?

    >>
    >>The motherboard, capacitors.
    >>

    >Damn, can I get them replaced?


    You can, the consensus here seems to be: If you can do it yourself or
    have an experienced friend it's worth a try, otherwise it will be very
    expensive.

    >Or, as the board and chip are about 4 years old, am I better off replacing the
    >board with a new one?


    Yes, you may be able to get a socket A board new that will take your
    1100, I would recomend a new mobo and processor + ram if needed.

    >Paul
     
    Bret, Dec 10, 2005
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  14. Paul Carter

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Paul Carter wrote:
    >>> Good news, the CD and DVD drives came back.
    >>>
    >>> Bad news, now they have gone again. They seem to come and go
    >>> randomly at the moment. When they appear they work fine. What
    >>> part of the system could be causing this? It seems that something
    >>> is going to fail permanently soon. Any ideas what?

    >>
    >> The motherboard, capacitors.
    >>

    > Damn, can I get them replaced?


    So the caps are to blame? You have a habit of writing short posts. :) Can
    you see signs of swelling/bulging or leaking?

    I've replaced caps on a couple of boards with good results. However, getting
    the caps can be problematic if you don't live in a big city and/or have a
    credit card. If you had to pay someone to do it, as Bret said, then it
    certainly wouldn't be worth it.

    > Or, as the board and chip are about 4 years old, am I better off
    > replacing the board with a new one?


    I'm guessing that your RAM is 168 pin SDRAM? In that case I seriously doubt
    you'll find a board new that will take it so include replacing RAM in that
    equation. The good thing is that, although they are getting hard to find,
    socket A boards can be had for well under $100. Add 512MB RAM again for
    under $100 and that CPU will go faster than it ever did. Of course, you can
    always upgrade the CPU now (or later, with a second-hand one) as Socket A
    CPUs are going (have gone?) out of production.

    Cheers,
    --
    ~misfit~
     
    ~misfit~, Dec 11, 2005
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  15. Paul Carter

    Paul Carter Guest

    >
    >So the caps are to blame? You have a habit of writing short posts. :) Can
    >you see signs of swelling/bulging or leaking?
    >

    There appears to be no visible sign of the capacitors deteriorating, however I'm
    not sure exactly what I'm looking for. Also the board has a fair amount of dust
    on it, making visual inspection more difficult. All the symptoms would seem to
    indicate this to be the most likely source of my troubles.

    Sorry if the brief posts are a problem, but I'm really out of my depth with
    hardware issues like this. Let me play with a new piece of software and I'm
    quite happy.

    >I've replaced caps on a couple of boards with good results. However, getting
    >the caps can be problematic if you don't live in a big city and/or have a
    >credit card. If you had to pay someone to do it, as Bret said, then it
    >certainly wouldn't be worth it.
    >

    Big city, no. Credit card, yes. I would say that replacing a capacitor would
    be beyond my abilities.

    >> Or, as the board and chip are about 4 years old, am I better off
    >> replacing the board with a new one?

    >
    >I'm guessing that your RAM is 168 pin SDRAM?


    The board has 2 x 184 pin DDR SDRAM slots. If that helps. I've currently got 2
    x 256MB modules in place, and when I'm lucky the machine will recoginse both!

    >In that case I seriously doubt
    >you'll find a board new that will take it so include replacing RAM in that
    >equation. The good thing is that, although they are getting hard to find,
    >socket A boards can be had for well under $100. Add 512MB RAM again for
    >under $100 and that CPU will go faster than it ever did. Of course, you can
    >always upgrade the CPU now (or later, with a second-hand one) as Socket A
    >CPUs are going (have gone?) out of production.
    >
    >Cheers,


    Thanks for all this.

    Paul
     
    Paul Carter, Dec 11, 2005
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