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    Please Note before reading this report.... President Bush Supports this
    country with billions of dollars every year. If you doubt the
    authenticity of this report you can visit the amnesty international web
    site (the worlds largest and most respected human rights organization)
    and find this press release which is labeled "05/10/2004
    Israel/Occupied Territories: Excessive use of force"...Go to Amnestys
    site and click on the library tab, then select "Israel" from the
    country drop down list and you will find the link above listed on the


    AI Index: MDE 15/095/2004 (Public)
    News Service No: 247
    5 October 2004

    Israel/Occupied Territories: Excessive use of force
    Amnesty International is concerned about the deterioration of the human
    rights and humanitarian situation as a result of the Israeli army
    incursion in the Jabaliya refugee camp and surrounding areas in the
    northern Gaza Strip (including sectors in the nearby towns of Beit
    Hanoun and Beit Lahiya).

    In the past week (since the evening of Tuesday 28 September) more than
    70 Palestinians have been killed, more than a third of whom were
    unarmed and including some 20 children. Hundreds of others have been

    The Israeli army has repeatedly used excessive force, including heavy
    shelling from tanks and helicopter gunships. Experience has shown that
    the use of such weapons and the manner in which they have been deployed
    by the army in densely populated residential areas (the Jabaliya
    refugee camp is one of the most densely populated places in the world,
    with more than 100,000 Palestinians living in less than two square
    kilometres), invariably results in a high rate of death and injury of
    bystanders and people who are not involved in armed confrontation.
    These tactics betray a lack of respect for fundamental human rights
    principles, including the right to life.

    In certain areas the Israeli army has also unlawfully destroyed or
    damaged homes, schools, water and electricity networks, roads, and
    other crucial infrastructure. Israeli forces have hindered access to
    medical services -- not only for those injured in the military
    operation but also those who need medical care for other reasons,
    including women who need to give birth. When able to reach those in
    need (they often cannot reach those in need of medical treatment)
    ambulances have on several occasions come under Israeli army fire.

    Strict closures have also been imposed throughout the Gaza Strip in the
    past week, cutting the Gaza Strip into four isolated sections,
    paralyzing all aspects of life, with people unable to reach their
    workplace and students unable to reach the universities. In addition
    schools in the area besieged by the Israeli army in the northern Gaza
    Strip are closed. Thousands of people living in the besieged areas are
    also experiencing shortages of food and other essential goods.

    Amnesty International is calling on the Israeli authority to:

    · put an immediate end to the use of excessive lethal force
    · put an immediate end to unlawful destruction and damage of
    Palestinian homes
    and properties, roads and other infrastructure.
    · allow immediate access to medical care and other essential services
    for the
    Palestinian population in the affected areas.
    · respect the right to freedom of movement for the Palestinian
    population elsewhere
    in the Gaza Strip.

    Amnesty International also calls on Palestinian armed groups not to
    initiate attacks and armed confrontation with Israeli troops from
    amongst residential areas, as this puts the local residents at risk of
    return fire and retaliation from the Israeli army, and reiterates its
    call on Palestinian armed groups to put an end to attacks directed
    against Israeli civilians in Israel or in the Occupied Territories.

    (Notice how Amnesty International (which is the worlds largest and most
    respected human rights investigation group) deliberately refuses to
    condemn Palestinians from attacking Israeli military or government
    targets because they are fully aware of the true situation the
    Palestinians are in).

    That's it Mr Bush...Turn your blind eye again (50 years in a row
    now)...tell the Israeli's they are being a bit too naughty and pay
    the Palestinian state idea a bit of lip service and sit on the
    fence...and people wont notice you are actually supporting an
    oppressive state.

    Is it any wonder why America is being targeted by terrorists when
    America gives around 50% $Billions of its annual foreign aid to this
    country that has one of the worst human rights records on the planet.

    Fact!...The real reason America supports Israel is because the
    Evangelical Christian Movements belief is that Israels existence is
    clearing the way for the second coming of Jesus in the holy land..
    Politicians want their votes because they are a huge percentage of
    voters in America, and upsetting this group would mean risking loosing
    the presidency....it all comes down to supporting whoever wins you the
    election and nothing what so ever to do with supporting human rights
    and justice in the world..

    To the passerby it seems as though the Palestine/Israel conflict is a
    conflict of two sides.......at least that's the way the media often
    portrays it. This is true to some extent....you can always find war
    criminals on both sides of any world conflict.....I myself have in the
    past lived and worked in many parts of the west bank, Palestine, and
    Israel for a number of years and felt compelled to write this article
    for the benefit of all those concerned.

    The reason i am posting this letter is that i hope somebody of
    influence reading it will take my suggestion and act on it.

    There is no doubt that when watching the news on the conflict most
    viewers are left with the impression "It's a war of two
    sides"......and this is the problem......giving the general public a
    TRUE picture of what is happening is impossible due to both sides
    continually playing the blame game in the media refusing to see the
    sufferings of the other side.....result:...people are left with the
    impression, "I guess they are probably as bad as each other"...This
    statement is not completely untrue....nobody can justify the murder of
    Israeli children by the use of a suicide bomber nor can Israel justify
    the state murder of hundreds of Palestinian children each year and call
    it self defense against terrorism. Like I said before, there are always
    war crimes on both sides of every conflict. But what stands out the
    most about this conflict is the disturbingly unbalanced body count
    figures published annually by the UN. Year after year the Israeli
    military is killing 4 times more people than casualtys caused by
    Palestinian violence.

    Instead of Palestinian organizations putting up posters and flyers
    stating "apartied - bring down the wall etc"......why not focus PR
    campaigns to include the most UNARGUABLE FACTS!.....This and only this
    will turn heads and change public opinion for the better...forget the
    injustices and sentiment for a minute and focus on what will win the
    hearts and minds of the masses...UNARGUABLE FACTS that relate to the
    values of all people.

    I am not up to date with the latest body count figures but i am
    informed that UN recent figures state a ratio of aprox 3-5 dead
    Palestinians to every Israeli, and year after year this ratio

    When you consider that Israel is as well armed technologically as
    the Americans, and that the Palestinians are....well lets just
    say....slingshots made out of coca cola cans and the odd AK47 and home
    made mortar don't do too much damage to a squadron of apache
    helicopter gunships supplied by America.

    With the above in mind, a rational person will tell you that if two
    Unequally armed armies clash in a battle: The WORST CASE SENARIO is
    that the most well armed side will suffer equal losses to that which it
    inflicts....In such a scenario, at best a case of "SELF DEFENCE" and
    "Minimum Force Necessary" might be claimed...but this scenario is
    very rare and unlikely in warfare and only comes about when the
    dominant army makes a serious strategic error.

    If you found an adult dressed in armour holding high tech weapons
    standing in a room with four dead children with pea shooters laying at
    his feet and he told you he was forced to defend himself...would you
    accept this?

    When Israel is killing Palestinians at a ratio of approximately for
    times as many and they are far better armed how can they seriously
    claim self defense against terrorism???.....I was always taught that in
    order to take the moral high ground and claim self defense you must use
    the "Minimum Force Necessary"..Do these figures speak "Minimum
    Force Necessary"???

    In the civilized world, when a government is faced with a hostile
    force the police are called in to form a barricade, if this proves
    insufficient to keep the peace water cannons are used, then onto tear
    gas, and if this still is not enough to control rioters the police may
    use rubber bullets to disable there targets. In the extreme case police
    may resort to live bullets and shoot at the legs...and in the extremely
    rare case when this may fail to stop the most determined
    opponent...shoot to kill if life is directly threatened. (This is the
    definition of "Minimum force Necessary"

    In Israel when a Palestinian attack takes place, the Israeli Policy
    is to punish all Palestinians instead of targeting the few
    responsible. All Palestinian towns and villages are put under curfew
    and soldiers are given orders to shoot anybody seen walking the
    streets. The familys of those responsible for attacks will have their
    homes bulldozed as a deterent. As well as this the Israeli military
    orders strikes with casualty figures in excess of those received and in
    turn the Palestinians return a strike and the cycle of violence
    continues with both sides making statements like "our attack was in
    response to their attack". Which side is acting in self defence to an
    attack received depends on your perspective.

    In one recent year there were around 400 Israelis killed by Palestinian
    militants. This is indeed a tragedy, however it is dwarfed by the fact
    that an equal number of Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces in
    the same period all of whom were children under the age of ten.
    (categorized as terrorists by Isreal) and guilty of nothing more than
    throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers.

    I'm not sure how to put the above argument all in one nicely
    designed poster and flyer, but if you can I think it would have a real
    impact, my proposal is this:

    1. State UNARGUABLE unbiased reputable source figures (like the UN),

    2. State a worst case scenario argument.
    3. Close with the question: "Are these the figures of a country in self
    defense against terrorism or is this genocide?"

    The above ingrediance address the issues in a simplistic easy to
    understand way for those with no background knowledge of the conflict
    and also leaves little room for a counter argument response from pro
    Israel groups. The truth always hurts the most.

    Stating Logic & Truth, and backing it up with UN Statistics is the
    way to turn heads.....post it up in every tube station and rail station
    north to south, and give out thousands of flyers with this argument in
    print ....i believe it will not fail to win the hearts and minds of the

    I am not in contact with any pro Palestinian organizations but would
    much appreciate it if readers can forward this idea to every campaign
    office they know and also to the appropriate local and national
    government office and any media/magazine/newsgroup address you can get
    your hands on....i would love to see it posted from north to south.

    To any Americans reading this article, you should be aware that your
    government supports the state of Israel with billions of dollars of aid
    each year ( approximately 50% of your foreign aid budget diverted from
    people truly in need) because it is claimed "Israel is the only
    democracy in the middle east", Israel is a democracy only by name but
    far away from it in nature, the figures speak the truth. Please write a
    letter to your senator and president asking him if these are the
    figures of a democratic government in the Middle East, and hopefully
    with a change in America's policy towards the middle east we can
    start to see a reduction in the feelings of resentment towards America
    in the muslim world.

    When the world trade center was targeted on September 11th, America
    was told the reason for it was that "These terrorists are fighting
    against freedom itself", Ask yourself this.....If you were to
    interview any of the Sept 11th bombers do you really believe they would
    tell you they hate freedom?, is there anybody in the world who will
    tell you they hate freedom?....No is the simple answer.....Or is it
    more likely that these people or members of there family have in
    someway been victims of Americas middle east policy's which have
    filled them with misguided resentment and hate towards all
    Americans?...........Your government would prefer you to think that
    these people just wake up in the morning and feel like killing
    civilians for no reason other than they hate people being free.

    In my travels across the middle east prior to Sept 11th , I had the
    opportunity to ask many muslims why they are so angry towards America,
    the response was always the same again and again.....ISRAEL IS
    OPPRESSING OUR FELLOW MUSLIMS!..and America is supporting their human
    rights abuses with financial and military support........

    For Fifty years now the United Nations has declared that Israel has
    stolen and is illegally occupying the Palestinians land and that
    Jerusalem is an illegally occupied city and the vast majority of
    countries around the world support this view and call for Israel to
    withdraw itself from Palestinian land year after year (accept America).
    The American government has been ignoring this international ruling by
    the UN for 50 years in a row despite the fact that the largest human
    rights organization in the world Amnesty international condemns Israel
    every year as having one of the worst human rights records on the
    planet. America turns a blind eye again, fifty years in a row now......

    After the Sept 11th terrorist attack the American government chose
    to solve this age old dispute by launching bombs, and in the process
    has killed dozens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers who were simply
    obeying orders to defend there country, as would any American. And
    today the body count has reached over 1000 American soldiers killed and
    rising fast, just under 6000 injured, and of course you have at least
    another ten thousand dead Iraqi civilians to date and that's after
    the major assault on Iraq had ended.

    When confronted by any problem, there are always two ways to solve
    it..The intelligent way or the primitive impulsive monkey way

    1) With brute force and aggression (launch operation shock and ore on
    Iraq and Afghanistan)...forgetting the philosophy that every action has
    a reaction and sending the message America is not taking any
    responsibility for its middle east policys of support for Israel and
    infuriating the muslim world even more and setting America up for even
    more future Sept 11th bombings and helping terrorist organizations to
    recruit many more fighters.
    2) Or the intelligent way, which is to look at the root cause of why
    your attacker is angry and if necessary defuse the problem from its
    source as well as stopping the cycle of violence.

    Sadly George Bush chose the impulsive way. And has only made American
    citizens even more vulnerable. How many people do you think there are
    at this very moment plotting to strike American soil because of the
    attack on Iraq?, The answer is plenty more than there were before Sept
    11th, some will be stopped, but as in the case of Israels lesson.
    It's impossible to stop them all. Especially when the bombers are
    prepared to die to reach their targets.

    If America is a truly democratic country, then it should respect the
    views of the UN and the vast majority of the world in regard to
    Israel....The world has voted in regard to Israel, Its time to listen
    to the result.



    "I tell you that security is a major pillar of human life. Free men
    do not renounce their security, irrespective of (US President George W)
    Bush's claims that we hate freedom"

    "I swear we never thought of attacking the towers, but when we saw
    the injustice and arbitrariness of the US-Israeli alliance against our
    brethren in Palestine and Lebanon, it became too much and the idea came
    to me."

    "The events that affected me directly go back to 1982 ... when
    America gave the Israelis the green light to invade Lebanon, with the
    backing of the US Sixth Fleet. It is difficult to describe what I felt
    in these painful moments, but it created an overwhelming feeling of
    refusal of injustice and a compelling determination to punish the
    unjust. As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me
    that the unjust should suffer the same, that the towers in America must
    be destroyed so that America gets a taste of what we went through, so
    that it will stop killing our children and women"

    Your security is not in the hands of (Democratic presidential
    candidate) John Kerry, Bush or Al-Qaeda. Your security is in your own
    hands. Any (presidential) mandate which does not play havoc with our
    security would automatically ensure its own security."

    PLEASE NOTE: I in no way condone the actions of September the 11th or
    Palestinian attacks on civilians.....this article was written to point
    out the huge imbalance of acts of violence and Americas miss guided
    middle east policy and the consequences it has brought on the world.

    A FINAL NOTE:......The Israeli position in regards to peace is
    "surrender to our will and occupation or its war" Israel believes
    that the Jews have a religious right to take over Palestinian land
    because the Jews occupied this piece of land some 2000 years ago. If
    the world were to operate around these rules the British would have a
    right to invade and take back America because the British used to
    occupy America only a few hundred years ago...and of course would
    punish any American terrorists who have a problem with that. The
    Israeli government say they are all for peace negotiations and are
    prepared to talk about withdrawal from Palestinian land. At the same
    time, the government is spending millions building new Israeli housing
    settlements on Palestinian land.....If Israel has the intention to
    withdraw...would they still be spending millions on new building
    developments only to have to abandon them later???....I think this is
    what George Bush would call a "no brainer". Israel Has built these
    settlements because they can use this as a bargaining chip in
    negotiating a settlement...... saying it is not reasonable to ask so
    many Israelis to leave their new homes. Plain and simply it is an
    illegal land grab and has been ruled illegal internationally.

    The Palestinian position is the request that the UN resolutions that
    have already been voted for by the international community are upheld
    and the Israeli government be forced by UN sanctions to withdraw their
    troops back into their own borders and land given to them by the UN
    (Is this not a peaceful and reasonable request when all Palestinians
    are asking for is that international law and voting be upheld?)
    ........Once again like with the Iraq war the American government has
    ignored these UN rulings and only follows the rules of the UN when they
    feel like it....A very dangerous example to set for the international
    community. Why should other countries obey the UN when those with great
    power don't?

    If you have mass mailing software please put it to good use and mass
    mail the Christian evangelical movement, pro Palestine campaign groups,
    government lobbying groups, and media. I give my full permission for
    this article to be published and distributed free of charge for both
    profit or campaigning reasons.
    alpha, Jan 7, 2005
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    alpha came up with this:

    > PLEASE

    **** off.

    -John Holmes-

    "It ain't much, if it ain't Dutch..."
    John Holmes, Jan 7, 2005
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    "John Holmes" <> wrote in message
    > alpha came up with this:
    >> PLEASE

    > **** off.
    > --
    > -John Holmes-
    > "It ain't much, if it ain't Dutch..."

    John Holmes is a fucking tosser!
    The One, Jan 7, 2005
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    The One came up with this:

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    >> alpha came up with this:
    >>> PLEASE

    >> **** off.
    >> --
    >> -John Holmes-
    >> "It ain't much, if it ain't Dutch..."

    > John Holmes is a fucking tosser!

    You're so useless you couldn't pour water out of a boot if the
    instructions were written on the bottom of the heel.

    HTH and HAND

    -John Holmes-

    "It ain't much, if it ain't Dutch..."
    John Holmes, Jan 7, 2005
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    The One Guest

    "John Holmes" <> wrote in message
    > The One came up with this:
    >> "John Holmes" <> wrote in message
    >> news:Xns95D7A1638B07Bjohnanonymouscunt@
    >>> alpha came up with this:
    >>>> PLEASE
    >>> **** off.
    >>> --
    >>> -John Holmes-
    >>> "It ain't much, if it ain't Dutch..."

    >> John Holmes is a fucking tosser!

    > You're so useless you couldn't pour water out of a boot if the
    > instructions were written on the bottom of the heel.
    > HTH and HAND
    > --
    > -John Holmes-
    > "It ain't much, if it ain't Dutch..."

    Your so useless your a ****.
    The One, Jan 8, 2005
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    alpha Guest

    love you too john
    alpha, Jan 8, 2005
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