50% running mission critical apps on Linux within 5 years

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  1. Aquilegia Alyssum, Dec 30, 2006
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    Fred Dagg Guest

    On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:40:41 +1300, Aquilegia Alyssum
    <> exclaimed:

    >http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=7681
    >
    >"" Nearly half of all enterprises will be running mission-critical
    >business applications on Linux in five years' time. That's according to
    >survey of IT directors, VPs and CIOs carried out by Saugatuck Research,
    >which questioned 133 businesses worldwide. ""
    >
    >Not exactly unexpected, don't you think?


    What, that you've posted more bollocks?

    So a tiny "research" company asked a tiny, tiny, tiny handful of
    businesses whether they think they'll be using Linux somewhere in
    their organisations in the next 5 years, and half said "Maybe" or
    better?

    You really are turning Linux advocacy into a joke, Bling.
    Fred Dagg, Dec 30, 2006
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    Biggles Guest

    On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 00:02:10 +1300, Fred Dagg wrote:

    > On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:40:41 +1300, Aquilegia Alyssum
    > <> exclaimed:
    >


    >
    > So a tiny "research" company asked a tiny, tiny, tiny handful of
    > businesses whether they think they'll be using Linux somewhere in
    > their organisations in the next 5 years, and half said "Maybe" or
    > better?
    >
    > You really are turning Linux advocacy into a joke, Bling.



    Thats how they try to justify open source is taking over the world.


    50 % of 125 companys ... just mind blowing ..............


    Biggles ..
    Biggles, Dec 30, 2006
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    E. Scrooge Guest

    "Aquilegia Alyssum" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=7681
    >
    > "" Nearly half of all enterprises will be running mission-critical
    > business applications on Linux in five years' time. That's according to
    > survey of IT directors, VPs and CIOs carried out by Saugatuck Research,
    > which questioned 133 businesses worldwide. ""
    >
    > Not exactly unexpected, don't you think?
    >
    > Aquilegia Alyssum


    No great rush over the last 5 years and more. Meanwhile in the real world
    more and more people are using Windows than ever.
    The shops still aren't fill with computers with Linux on them.

    Bit odd that as it would make good sense to you for retailer to sell
    computers that can't run any of the software in their stores that they're
    also trying to sell.

    Until Linux can run most PC software that people are downloading and buying
    from stores big time Linux is worth exactly what people are paying for it.

    Wasted time full of frustrations are the very real high costs of Linux.

    The Emperor Linux doesn't need any new clothes you can imagine he's wearing
    whatever you want to.

    And who the Hell cares about Saugatuck any more than Eggasuck?

    E. Scrooge
    E. Scrooge, Dec 30, 2006
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  5. In message <1167508618.168578@ftpsrv1>, *sling wrote:

    > "Aquilegia Alyssum" <> wrote in message
    > news:p...
    >> http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=7681
    >>
    >> "" Nearly half of all enterprises will be running mission-critical
    >> business applications on Linux in five years' time. That's according to
    >> survey of IT directors, VPs and CIOs carried out by Saugatuck Research,
    >> which questioned 133 businesses worldwide. ""
    >>
    >> Not exactly unexpected, don't you think?

    >
    > No great rush over the last 5 years and more.


    It's worth looking at other major attempts to create operating systems
    competing with Dimdows. What happened to OS/2? Gone. BeOS? Gone. NextStep?
    That did get a second lease of life after being bought out by Apple, as OS
    X, but let's face it--one big attraction with Apple's new Intel-based
    machines is that they can run Dimdows.

    All these had one thing in common: after struggling in the market for about
    5 years, it became clear that they were never going to achieve a
    sustainable, profitable market niche, at which point their investors were
    happy to pull the plug.

    What's different with Linux? The fact that it's not closed source. It's not
    the product of a single company financed by a single lot of investors. This
    is why it's managed to survive for 15 years so far--no closed-source
    company could have had the patience to persevere that long. And not just
    survive, but gradually grow from strength to strength. Gradually, but
    steadily.

    So what if it takes another 15 years to achieve World Domination(TM)? With
    Linux, there is no hurry.

    > Meanwhile in the real world
    > more and more people are using Windows than ever.


    The absolute numbers may still be increasing, but the relative proportion of
    the market is definitely static, and quite possibly showing hints of a
    long-term decline.
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Dec 30, 2006
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    Ma Hogany Guest

    On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:01:17 +1300, E. Scrooge wrote:

    > Until Linux can run most PC software that people are downloading and buying
    > from stores big time Linux is worth exactly what people are paying for it.



    You don't expect that from Apple systems. Why make that sort of stupid
    assertion about *nix systems.

    Ma Hogany

    --
    "Even though a peice of code may be documented it doesn't make it readable,
    understandable or even usable. Especially when said documentation starts with
    "I don't know exactly why this was included, what it does, or how it does it
    but the system won't work without it" or simply "Sorry about this..."
    Ma Hogany, Dec 31, 2006
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    E. Scrooge Guest

    "Ma Hogany" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:01:17 +1300, E. Scrooge wrote:
    >
    >> Until Linux can run most PC software that people are downloading and
    >> buying
    >> from stores big time Linux is worth exactly what people are paying for
    >> it.

    >
    >
    > You don't expect that from Apple systems. Why make that sort of stupid
    > assertion about *nix systems.
    >
    > Ma Hogany


    No problems with Apple. In case you haven't noticed plenty of companies
    make software for Apple.

    E. Scrooge
    E. Scrooge, Dec 31, 2006
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  8. On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:54:34 +1300, E. Scrooge wrote:

    > No problems with Apple. In case you haven't noticed plenty of companies
    > make software for Apple.


    Indeed they do.

    And how much of that can you purchase over the counter in Dick Smith
    Electronics?

    And let us consider how many thousands of packages are available under the
    GPL for multiple platforms.

    And, of course, then there is the fact that both Oracle AND Microsoft now
    support Linux - and Microsoft is now even distributing Linux on behalf of
    Novell.


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    Dianthus Mimulus

    MS Windows Vista - broken by design
    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
    Dianthus Mimulus, Dec 31, 2006
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  9. In message <1167562215.175793@ftpsrv1>, *sling wrote:

    > In case you haven't noticed plenty of companies make software for Apple.


    Speaking of which, the next version of Microsoft Office for Mac will be a
    bit lacking in one small respect: no more Visual Basic for Applications.
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Dec 31, 2006
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  10. On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 00:34:18 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    > Speaking of which, the next version of Microsoft Office for Mac will be a
    > bit lacking in one small respect: no more Visual Basic for Applications.


    .... and no support for M$ Office OpenXML until at least half way through
    2007.


    --
    Dianthus Mimulus

    MS Windows Vista - broken by design
    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
    Dianthus Mimulus, Dec 31, 2006
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  11. Dianthus Mimulus wrote:
    > On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:54:34 +1300, E. Scrooge wrote:
    >
    >> No problems with Apple. In case you haven't noticed plenty of companies
    >> make software for Apple.

    >
    > Indeed they do.
    >
    > And how much of that can you purchase over the counter in Dick Smith
    > Electronics?


    And you would buy software over the counter at Dick Smith because??

    I haven't purchased any of my Mac software from a physical shop, it has
    always been online. And the majority of software for my PC's as well.
    Jason Fanning, Dec 31, 2006
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  12. On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:24:13 +0000, Jason Fanning wrote:

    >> And how much of that can you purchase over the counter in Dick Smith
    >> Electronics?

    >
    > And you would buy software over the counter at Dick Smith because??
    >
    > I haven't purchased any of my Mac software from a physical shop, it has
    > always been online. And the majority of software for my PC's as well.


    Of course that's because you *can't* by Mac software in the vast majority
    of retail stores that sell computers, whereas your average "mom and pop"
    would walk into a "store" and expect to see slick shrink-wrapped boxes
    promoting the software that they don't yet know they need.

    You have to go to a specialist website for getting your Mac software -
    that you need to purchase.

    Linux users simply connect to a Free Software repository and download from
    there.

    Of course if they want Oracle on Linux they do need to purchase that from
    Oracle, and probably would need to be using the version of Linux that
    Oracle supports (RedHat).

    Or they might want to use the version of Linux that Micro$oft supports
    (SuSE).


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    Dianthus Mimulus

    MS Windows Vista - broken by design
    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
    Dianthus Mimulus, Dec 31, 2006
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    > In message <1167508618.168578@ftpsrv1>, *sling wrote:
    >
    > > "Aquilegia Alyssum" <> wrote in
    > > message news:p...
    > > > http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=7681
    > > >
    > > > "" Nearly half of all enterprises will be running mission-critical
    > > > business applications on Linux in five years' time. That's
    > > > according to survey of IT directors, VPs and CIOs carried out by
    > > > Saugatuck Research, which questioned 133 businesses worldwide. ""
    > > >
    > > > Not exactly unexpected, don't you think?

    > >
    > > No great rush over the last 5 years and more.

    >
    > It's worth looking at other major attempts to create operating systems
    > competing with Dimdows. What happened to OS/2? Gone.


    [snip]

    Last time I saw an ATM boot it was running OS/2. There are quite a few ATMs
    around, I don't know if they all run on the same OS though...
    --
    Shaun.
    ~misfit~, Dec 31, 2006
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    Fred Dagg Guest

    On 1 Jan 2007 10:16:13 +1300, Dianthus Mimulus <>
    exclaimed:

    >
    >You have to go to a specialist website for getting your Mac software -
    >that you need to purchase.


    News Flash: Most people don't mind paying for commercial-quality
    software that they're going to use often. It's only Linux users who
    think the output of others should be free to them.
    Fred Dagg, Jan 1, 2007
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  15. Dianthus Mimulus wrote:
    > On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:24:13 +0000, Jason Fanning wrote:
    >
    >>> And how much of that can you purchase over the counter in Dick Smith
    >>> Electronics?

    >> And you would buy software over the counter at Dick Smith because??
    >>
    >> I haven't purchased any of my Mac software from a physical shop, it has
    >> always been online. And the majority of software for my PC's as well.

    >
    > Of course that's because you *can't* by Mac software in the vast majority
    > of retail stores that sell computers, whereas your average "mom and pop"
    > would walk into a "store" and expect to see slick shrink-wrapped boxes
    > promoting the software that they don't yet know they need.


    My local PC store has Mac Software in it...

    >
    > You have to go to a specialist website for getting your Mac software -
    > that you need to purchase.


    yeah, a specialist website... like apple.co.nz, or ascent.co.nz


    > Linux users simply connect to a Free Software repository and download from
    > there.


    As you can for a lot of OS X software, or even Windows software for that
    matter


    > Or they might want to use the version of Linux that Micro$oft supports
    > (SuSE).


    Hmm, the hand dryer (yes a hand dryer, it plays videos on it) in a mall
    I was in the other day was running Suse 9.1, it had crashed...
    Jason Fanning, Jan 1, 2007
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    Fred Dagg Guest

    On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 00:18:29 +0000, Jason Fanning
    <> exclaimed:

    >
    >> Or they might want to use the version of Linux that Micro$oft supports
    >> (SuSE).

    >
    >Hmm, the hand dryer (yes a hand dryer, it plays videos on it) in a mall
    >I was in the other day was running Suse 9.1, it had crashed...


    Surely you gest??!?! Linux DOESN'T crash!!

    Haven't you been listening?
    Fred Dagg, Jan 1, 2007
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  17. On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:12:52 +1300, Fred Dagg wrote:

    >>You have to go to a specialist website for getting your Mac software -
    >>that you need to purchase.

    >
    > News Flash: Most people don't mind paying for commercial-quality
    > software that they're going to use often. It's only Linux users who
    > think the output of others should be free to them.


    I purchased the right to use "commercial-quality" Windows software. In
    my experience it was a buggy POS, and I decided that it wasn't worth even
    half of what I had paid for it - given how buggy it was. It was a good
    idea that had been poorly implemented.

    The advange of Free OSS is that the company that does not provide a good
    service will be beaten by the companies that DO provide good service -
    because all the software is freely available and anybody can take it and
    make their own alterations to it.


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    Dianthus Mimulus

    MS Windows Vista - broken by design
    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
    Dianthus Mimulus, Jan 1, 2007
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  18. On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 00:18:29 +0000, Jason Fanning wrote:

    >> Linux users simply connect to a Free Software repository and download from
    >> there.

    >
    > As you can for a lot of OS X software, or even Windows software for that
    > matter


    Yes - there is much Free OSS that has also been released on the Win32 and
    MacOSX platforms.


    --
    Dianthus Mimulus

    MS Windows Vista - broken by design
    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
    Dianthus Mimulus, Jan 1, 2007
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    Fred Dagg Guest

    On 1 Jan 2007 13:26:29 +1300, Dianthus Mimulus <>
    exclaimed:

    >On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:12:52 +1300, Fred Dagg wrote:
    >
    >>>You have to go to a specialist website for getting your Mac software -
    >>>that you need to purchase.

    >>
    >> News Flash: Most people don't mind paying for commercial-quality
    >> software that they're going to use often. It's only Linux users who
    >> think the output of others should be free to them.

    >
    >I purchased the right to use "commercial-quality" Windows software. In
    >my experience it was a buggy POS, and I decided that it wasn't worth even
    >half of what I had paid for it - given how buggy it was. It was a good
    >idea that had been poorly implemented.


    Yes, well things have changed since Windows 98.

    >The advange of Free OSS is that the company that does not provide a good
    >service will be beaten by the companies that DO provide good service -
    >because all the software is freely available and anybody can take it and
    >make their own alterations to it.


    Yes, but NO companies provide good service for OSS software. They
    can't, because they have to give the software away for free, and
    people expect the "service" to be free, too.

    VERY few businesses survive trying to provide OSS services.
    Fred Dagg, Jan 1, 2007
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  20. On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:28:07 +1300, Fred Dagg wrote:

    >>I purchased the right to use "commercial-quality" Windows software. In
    >>my experience it was a buggy POS, and I decided that it wasn't worth even
    >>half of what I had paid for it - given how buggy it was. It was a good
    >>idea that had been poorly implemented.

    >
    > Yes, well things have changed since Windows 98.


    I don't think so.

    Micro$oft Windows is a load of rubbish that people are foolishly paying
    good money for.

    Micro$oft Windows Vi$ta will be even worse - it's Digital Restrictions
    Management effectively cripples the hardware.


    --
    Dianthus Mimulus

    MS Windows Vista - broken by design
    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
    Dianthus Mimulus, Jan 1, 2007
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