12x CDRWs

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Patrick Dunford, May 22, 2004.

  1. I see a lot of CDRW disks are only 4x, Imation and Datalife Plus at the
    Warehouse and some Mitsubishi disks sold by DSE are only rated up to 4x

    DSE also sell some Mitsubishi disks rated up to 12x. Is this hype or can
    these disks be used reliably at 10x - 12x?
     
    Patrick Dunford, May 22, 2004
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  2. Patrick Dunford

    A Guest

    On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:08:32 +1200, Patrick Dunford
    <> wrote:

    >I see a lot of CDRW disks are only 4x, Imation and Datalife Plus at the
    >Warehouse and some Mitsubishi disks sold by DSE are only rated up to 4x
    >
    >DSE also sell some Mitsubishi disks rated up to 12x. Is this hype or can
    >these disks be used reliably at 10x - 12x?


    Harvey Norman in NZ sell their own branded CD-RW 12x for around $12.95
    for 10.

    I've had no problems with them (although my writer only writes at 10x
    max for CDRW)
     
    A, May 22, 2004
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  3. Patrick Dunford

    server Guest

    Patrick Dunford wrote:
    > I see a lot of CDRW disks are only 4x, Imation and Datalife Plus at the
    > Warehouse and some Mitsubishi disks sold by DSE are only rated up to 4x
    >
    > DSE also sell some Mitsubishi disks rated up to 12x. Is this hype or can
    > these disks be used reliably at 10x - 12x?


    When I first got my RW drive, I purchased a couple of 4x discs to use
    with it as at that time RW discs were still quite expensive and HSRW
    discs were rare.

    Since that time I have picked up a number of Datalife 12x HSRW's that
    have been in use for well over a year now, and do not use the 4x discs
    unless I have to.

    Given the choice at a comparable price would you prefer to use a 52k
    modem or 128k Jetstream?

    Are 52x CDR's "hype", or can they be written to with similar reliability
    rates as CDR's rated for 24x?
     
    server, May 22, 2004
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  4. In article <>, server@localhost says...
    > Patrick Dunford wrote:
    > > I see a lot of CDRW disks are only 4x, Imation and Datalife Plus at the
    > > Warehouse and some Mitsubishi disks sold by DSE are only rated up to 4x
    > >
    > > DSE also sell some Mitsubishi disks rated up to 12x. Is this hype or can
    > > these disks be used reliably at 10x - 12x?

    >
    > When I first got my RW drive, I purchased a couple of 4x discs to use
    > with it as at that time RW discs were still quite expensive and HSRW
    > discs were rare.
    >
    > Since that time I have picked up a number of Datalife 12x HSRW's that
    > have been in use for well over a year now, and do not use the 4x discs
    > unless I have to.
    >
    > Given the choice at a comparable price would you prefer to use a 52k
    > modem or 128k Jetstream?
    >
    > Are 52x CDR's "hype", or can they be written to with similar reliability
    > rates as CDR's rated for 24x?


    I find it surprising that there are still a lot of brands on sale that
    are marked only up to 4x, when 12x can be bought for the same or less.

    Or maybe WHS has old stock.

    My favourite CD-Rs are marked 48x, which is only a little below the 52x
    the writer can manage.
     
    Patrick Dunford, May 22, 2004
    #4
  5. "Patrick Dunford" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <>, server@localhost says...
    > > Patrick Dunford wrote:
    > > > I see a lot of CDRW disks are only 4x, Imation and Datalife Plus at

    the
    > > > Warehouse and some Mitsubishi disks sold by DSE are only rated up to

    4x
    > > >
    > > > DSE also sell some Mitsubishi disks rated up to 12x. Is this hype or

    can
    > > > these disks be used reliably at 10x - 12x?

    > >
    > > When I first got my RW drive, I purchased a couple of 4x discs to use
    > > with it as at that time RW discs were still quite expensive and HSRW
    > > discs were rare.
    > >
    > > Since that time I have picked up a number of Datalife 12x HSRW's that
    > > have been in use for well over a year now, and do not use the 4x discs
    > > unless I have to.
    > >
    > > Given the choice at a comparable price would you prefer to use a 52k
    > > modem or 128k Jetstream?
    > >
    > > Are 52x CDR's "hype", or can they be written to with similar reliability
    > > rates as CDR's rated for 24x?

    >
    > I find it surprising that there are still a lot of brands on sale that
    > are marked only up to 4x, when 12x can be bought for the same or less.
    >
    > Or maybe WHS has old stock.
    >
    > My favourite CD-Rs are marked 48x, which is only a little below the 52x
    > the writer can manage.


    I have an ancient HP 9100+ CD Writer, and it can't write in any CD-RW rate
    more than 4x. CD-R discs are ok but not much faster :(

    Because my backup takes around 15 CDs on Windows, and another 10 CDs on the
    iMac, and and I can't think of swapping discs anymore (even DVD), I decided
    to buy an external firewire 60GB hard drive. Backups are a way faster, and
    no need to be around. On the other hand it's only one unit, so I might have
    to buy a second one soon to allow for cycles...

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    Mauricio Freitas, May 22, 2004
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  6. Patrick Dunford

    steve Guest

    server wrote:

    > Are 52x CDR's "hype", or can they be written to with similar reliability
    > rates as CDR's rated for 24x?


    They're hype.

    It may be possible to write at that speed, but reliability - both
    immediately and over time - will likely be an issue.

    For longevity - I burn at 12x. For ISOs that will be obselete (Fedora
    Core 2 - test 3 - was current for 2-3 weeks) I'll burn at 24x.
     
    steve, May 22, 2004
    #6
  7. Patrick Dunford

    server Guest

    Patrick Dunford wrote:

    > I find it surprising that there are still a lot of brands on sale that
    > are marked only up to 4x, when 12x can be bought for the same or less.
    >
    > Or maybe WHS has old stock.


    There are compatibility issues with HSRW media in low speed drives,
    hence a lot of non-specialist retailers tend to stock mainly the 4x media.

    Then there are the 24x USRW media, but that is another story. At least
    the drives are backwards compatible.
     
    server, May 22, 2004
    #7
  8. Patrick Dunford

    Richard Guest

    > They're hype.
    >
    > It may be possible to write at that speed, but reliability - both
    > immediately and over time - will likely be an issue.
    >
    > For longevity - I burn at 12x. For ISOs that will be obselete (Fedora
    > Core 2 - test 3 - was current for 2-3 weeks) I'll burn at 24x.


    I have yet to have a failure due to write speed, all my duds have being media
    damage, or media shittieness. I have 48 speed written things going back a few
    years now to when 48 speed first came out that are still readable.
     
    Richard, May 22, 2004
    #8
  9. In article <3CDrc.3473$>,
    lid says...
    > "Patrick Dunford" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > In article <>, server@localhost says...
    > > > Patrick Dunford wrote:
    > > > > I see a lot of CDRW disks are only 4x, Imation and Datalife Plus at

    > the
    > > > > Warehouse and some Mitsubishi disks sold by DSE are only rated up to

    > 4x
    > > > >
    > > > > DSE also sell some Mitsubishi disks rated up to 12x. Is this hype or

    > can
    > > > > these disks be used reliably at 10x - 12x?
    > > >
    > > > When I first got my RW drive, I purchased a couple of 4x discs to use
    > > > with it as at that time RW discs were still quite expensive and HSRW
    > > > discs were rare.
    > > >
    > > > Since that time I have picked up a number of Datalife 12x HSRW's that
    > > > have been in use for well over a year now, and do not use the 4x discs
    > > > unless I have to.
    > > >
    > > > Given the choice at a comparable price would you prefer to use a 52k
    > > > modem or 128k Jetstream?
    > > >
    > > > Are 52x CDR's "hype", or can they be written to with similar reliability
    > > > rates as CDR's rated for 24x?

    > >
    > > I find it surprising that there are still a lot of brands on sale that
    > > are marked only up to 4x, when 12x can be bought for the same or less.
    > >
    > > Or maybe WHS has old stock.
    > >
    > > My favourite CD-Rs are marked 48x, which is only a little below the 52x
    > > the writer can manage.

    >
    > I have an ancient HP 9100+ CD Writer, and it can't write in any CD-RW rate
    > more than 4x. CD-R discs are ok but not much faster :(
    >
    > Because my backup takes around 15 CDs on Windows, and another 10 CDs on the
    > iMac, and and I can't think of swapping discs anymore (even DVD), I decided
    > to buy an external firewire 60GB hard drive. Backups are a way faster, and
    > no need to be around. On the other hand it's only one unit, so I might have
    > to buy a second one soon to allow for cycles...


    When Bluray gets affordable it will be a much better backup system
     
    Patrick Dunford, May 23, 2004
    #9
  10. In article <40af110d$>, server@localhost says...
    > Patrick Dunford wrote:
    >
    > > I find it surprising that there are still a lot of brands on sale that
    > > are marked only up to 4x, when 12x can be bought for the same or less.
    > >
    > > Or maybe WHS has old stock.

    >
    > There are compatibility issues with HSRW media in low speed drives,
    > hence a lot of non-specialist retailers tend to stock mainly the 4x media.


    Is that for recording or playback?

    If I burn at 10x, will there be any compatibility issues with say any CD
    rom drive under 24x capable? I know that some older CD rom drives can't
    read CDRW disks. Really ancient drives like the 4x I used to have could
    still read CDRs if they were burned at 8x.

    > Then there are the 24x USRW media, but that is another story. At least
    > the drives are backwards compatible.


    The drive claims it can do 32x write, but there are no disks more than
    12x is there?
     
    Patrick Dunford, May 23, 2004
    #10
  11. Patrick Dunford

    MarkH Guest

    Patrick Dunford <> wrote in
    news::

    > The drive claims it can do 32x write, but there are no disks more than
    > 12x is there?


    Of course there are, you can get CD-RW disks that will write at 32x. I
    have seen 16x-24x Verbatim CD-RW disks and Imation 24x CD-RW disks. Any
    retailer that purchases off Tech Pacific could order in the Verbatim or
    Imation disks.

    I have only seen the 32x CD-RW with a writer (I think it was a Mitsubishi
    disk), I haven’t actually seen them for sale anywhere.



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    MarkH, May 23, 2004
    #11
  12. Patrick Dunford

    server Guest

    Patrick Dunford wrote:
    > In article <40af110d$>, server@localhost says...
    >
    >>Patrick Dunford wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I find it surprising that there are still a lot of brands on sale that
    >>>are marked only up to 4x, when 12x can be bought for the same or less.
    >>>
    >>>Or maybe WHS has old stock.

    >>
    >>There are compatibility issues with HSRW media in low speed drives,
    >>hence a lot of non-specialist retailers tend to stock mainly the 4x media.

    >
    >
    > Is that for recording or playback?


    Recording mainly.
    http://www.verbatim-europe.com/productinfo/cdrwhighspeed.shtml

    > If I burn at 10x, will there be any compatibility issues with say any CD
    > rom drive under 24x capable? I know that some older CD rom drives can't
    > read CDRW disks. Really ancient drives like the 4x I used to have could
    > still read CDRs if they were burned at 8x.


    In most cases there should be no issues with playback on RW compatible
    drives. Inevitably some drives have their "quirks".

    >>Then there are the 24x USRW media, but that is another story. At least
    >>the drives are backwards compatible.

    >
    >
    > The drive claims it can do 32x write, but there are no disks more than
    > 12x is there?


    USRW (24x) and USRW+ (32x).
    http://www.verbatim-europe.com/productinfo/optical/cdrw.shtml

    At current prices whether they represent good value is another question.
    Perhaps in 6-12 months time.
     
    server, May 23, 2004
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  13. Patrick Dunford

    Chip Guest

    Patrick Dunford <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > I see a lot of CDRW disks are only 4x, Imation and Datalife Plus at the
    > Warehouse and some Mitsubishi disks sold by DSE are only rated up to 4x
    >
    > DSE also sell some Mitsubishi disks rated up to 12x. Is this hype or can
    > these disks be used reliably at 10x - 12x?


    I've seen the following speeds of CD-RW media in stores:
    4x
    4x-12x (for drives bearing the High Speed logo)
    16x-24x (for drives bearing the Ultra Speed logo)

    Unlike CD-R media, the high speed CD-RW media are not backwards
    compatible in slower speed drives (for recording purposes, but they
    can be read in any speed drive). E.g. You can't record a 4x-12x CD-RW
    disc in a 4x drive (the name is a bit misleading, it should really be
    5x-12x).
     
    Chip, May 24, 2004
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  14. Patrick Dunford

    Dave Taylor Guest

    (Chip) wrote in news:bd88251f.0405231623.63b53ea8
    @posting.google.com:

    > Unlike CD-R media, the high speed CD-RW media are not backwards
    > compatible in slower speed drives (for recording purposes, but they
    > can be read in any speed drive). E.g. You can't record a 4x-12x CD-RW
    > disc in a 4x drive (the name is a bit misleading, it should really be
    > 5x-12x).
    >
    >


    I did not know that. Can they get away with calling it 4x compatible then?
    It should be called 5x-12x if what you say is true. Markerters, grumble
    mutter...
    Ciao, Dave
     
    Dave Taylor, May 24, 2004
    #14
  15. In article <Xns94F38A7295B1Edaveytaynospamplshot@202.20.93.13>,
    says...
    > (Chip) wrote in news:bd88251f.0405231623.63b53ea8
    > @posting.google.com:
    >
    > > Unlike CD-R media, the high speed CD-RW media are not backwards
    > > compatible in slower speed drives (for recording purposes, but they
    > > can be read in any speed drive). E.g. You can't record a 4x-12x CD-RW
    > > disc in a 4x drive (the name is a bit misleading, it should really be
    > > 5x-12x).
    > >
    > >

    >
    > I did not know that. Can they get away with calling it 4x compatible then?
    > It should be called 5x-12x if what you say is true. Markerters, grumble
    > mutter...


    According to the ATIP the minimum speed they are designed for is 4x?
     
    Patrick Dunford, May 24, 2004
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  16. Patrick Dunford

    A Guest

    On Mon, 24 May 2004 15:18:07 +1200, Patrick Dunford
    <> wrote:

    >In article <Xns94F38A7295B1Edaveytaynospamplshot@202.20.93.13>,
    > says...
    >> (Chip) wrote in news:bd88251f.0405231623.63b53ea8
    >> @posting.google.com:
    >>
    >> > Unlike CD-R media, the high speed CD-RW media are not backwards
    >> > compatible in slower speed drives (for recording purposes, but they
    >> > can be read in any speed drive). E.g. You can't record a 4x-12x CD-RW
    >> > disc in a 4x drive (the name is a bit misleading, it should really be
    >> > 5x-12x).
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >> I did not know that. Can they get away with calling it 4x compatible then?
    >> It should be called 5x-12x if what you say is true. Markerters, grumble
    >> mutter...

    >
    >According to the ATIP the minimum speed they are designed for is 4x?


    There's two 4x standards - the 4x low speed (i.e. 1x-4x) and the 4x
    high speed (4x-12x). The two are not compatible.

    The overlap is confusing I agree
     
    A, May 24, 2004
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  17. "Chip" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Patrick Dunford <> wrote in message

    news:<>...
    > > I see a lot of CDRW disks are only 4x, Imation and Datalife Plus at the
    > > Warehouse and some Mitsubishi disks sold by DSE are only rated up to 4x
    > >
    > > DSE also sell some Mitsubishi disks rated up to 12x. Is this hype or can
    > > these disks be used reliably at 10x - 12x?

    >
    > I've seen the following speeds of CD-RW media in stores:
    > 4x
    > 4x-12x (for drives bearing the High Speed logo)
    > 16x-24x (for drives bearing the Ultra Speed logo)
    >
    > Unlike CD-R media, the high speed CD-RW media are not backwards
    > compatible in slower speed drives (for recording purposes, but they
    > can be read in any speed drive). E.g. You can't record a 4x-12x CD-RW
    > disc in a 4x drive (the name is a bit misleading, it should really be
    > 5x-12x).


    I've got a 4-kus brand CD-RW drive (aka LiteOn) which came with a x12 CD-RW
    disc. It writes at x12 but there is no logo on the drive or the packaging
    or handbook which indicates it is "High Speed".

    I agree with Patrick that x12 CD-RW media seems hard to come by but if you
    are backing up a lot of data to multiple discs you really appreciate the
    speed advantage over the x4 discs.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Rutlidge, May 28, 2004
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