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Neil Gould
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      02-04-2014
Hi Ed,

Preface: I am somewhat limited in that my newsreader doesn't display the
original post, but the post which quoted what I think was the original
question had a link to your page. I had mentioned that your page worked as
expected (with regard to scrolling) in older versions of FF. Later, in a
discussion with dorayme, I mentioned that I've written HTML pages with fixed
headers that still scroll properly in the latest FF versions.

OK. The reason I didn't proffer a "solution" based on my experience is that
yours is a php page, and that, to me, has possible implications about how it
is actually being generated and that might account for quirks in the way it
interacts with some browser engines. One way to know if that is the source
of the problem would be to write the same content as an HTML page and see
whether the problem persists.
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Jonathan N. Little
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      02-04-2014
Neil Gould wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> Preface: I am somewhat limited in that my newsreader doesn't display the
> original post, but the post which quoted what I think was the original
> question had a link to your page. I had mentioned that your page worked as
> expected (with regard to scrolling) in older versions of FF. Later, in a
> discussion with dorayme, I mentioned that I've written HTML pages with fixed
> headers that still scroll properly in the latest FF versions.
>
> OK. The reason I didn't proffer a "solution" based on my experience is that
> yours is a php page, and that, to me, has possible implications about how it
> is actually being generated and that might account for quirks in the way it
> interacts with some browser engines. One way to know if that is the source
> of the problem would be to write the same content as an HTML page and see
> whether the problem persists.
>


Being server-side vs static html should not be an issue at all, as far
as the browser is concerned is only 'sees' an html document.

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      02-04-2014
In article <lcr4a3$mmf$(E-Mail Removed)>,
"Neil Gould" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> Preface: I am somewhat limited in that my newsreader doesn't display the
> original post, but the post which quoted what I think was the original
> question had a link to your page. I had mentioned that your page worked as
> expected (with regard to scrolling) in older versions of FF. Later, in a
> discussion with dorayme, I mentioned that I've written HTML pages with fixed
> headers that still scroll properly in the latest FF versions.
>
> OK. The reason I didn't proffer a "solution" based on my experience is that
> yours is a php page, and that, to me, has possible implications about how it
> is actually being generated and that might account for quirks in the way it
> interacts with some browser engines. One way to know if that is the source
> of the problem would be to write the same content as an HTML page and see
> whether the problem persists.


In the url I gave right at the start of the thread to test browsers
for the fault perceived, there was no php. So what is your suggestion
for avoiding the page down and click under problems in that one?

That .php appears in the urls in a markup is, of course, nothing that
can affect a browser's scrolling behaviour.

As for what is generated on the server, you can see it for yourself
from View menu in many browsers, there are no php instructions, all of
those are carried out on the server before the browser gets to do its
business.

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Neil Gould
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      02-05-2014
Ed Mullen wrote:
> Neil Gould wrote:
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Preface: I am somewhat limited in that my newsreader doesn't display
>> the original post, but the post which quoted what I think was the
>> original question had a link to your page. I had mentioned that your
>> page worked as expected (with regard to scrolling) in older versions
>> of FF. Later, in a discussion with dorayme, I mentioned that I've
>> written HTML pages with fixed headers that still scroll properly in
>> the latest FF versions.
>>
>> OK. The reason I didn't proffer a "solution" based on my experience
>> is that yours is a php page, and that, to me, has possible
>> implications about how it is actually being generated and that might
>> account for quirks in the way it interacts with some browser
>> engines. One way to know if that is the source of the problem would
>> be to write the same content as an HTML page and see whether the
>> problem persists.
>>

>
> Thanks for the thought, Neil. As others have suggested all the PHP
> processing is done server-side. Once done what is sent to the browser
> IS HTML.
>
> Your info that earlier versions of FF work correctly is good to know.
> I'll investigate that.
>

I know that php processing is server-side. I also know that server-side
instructions can affect such things as "on-click" actions, among other
things. As I can't see the server-side code, I didn't presume that no such
instructions exist simply because the page sent to the browser consists of
the HTML portions.

As I said before, I have much more complex fixed headers in some HTML pages
that work as expected in the latest versions of FF, so something else might
be at play here. So, making troubleshooting easier comes down writing the
page as HTML to see if the scrolling problem persists. If it goes away, then
you know where to start looking.
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      02-05-2014
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Neil Gould wrote:
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Preface: I am somewhat limited in that my newsreader doesn't display
>> the original post, but the post which quoted what I think was the
>> original question had a link to your page. I had mentioned that your
>> page worked as expected (with regard to scrolling) in older versions
>> of FF. Later, in a discussion with dorayme, I mentioned that I've
>> written HTML pages with fixed headers that still scroll properly in
>> the latest FF versions.
>>
>> OK. The reason I didn't proffer a "solution" based on my experience
>> is that yours is a php page, and that, to me, has possible
>> implications about how it is actually being generated and that might
>> account for quirks in the way it interacts with some browser
>> engines. One way to know if that is the source of the problem would
>> be to write the same content as an HTML page and see whether the
>> problem persists.
>>

>
> Being server-side vs static html should not be an issue at all, as far
> as the browser is concerned is only 'sees' an html document.
>

In my experience, it depends on what is going on in the server-side code.
The page is not necessarily static, which may be the underlying problem.
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Neil Gould
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      02-05-2014
dorayme wrote:
> In article <lcr4a3$mmf$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> "Neil Gould" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Preface: I am somewhat limited in that my newsreader doesn't display
>> the original post, but the post which quoted what I think was the
>> original question had a link to your page. I had mentioned that your
>> page worked as expected (with regard to scrolling) in older versions
>> of FF. Later, in a discussion with dorayme, I mentioned that I've
>> written HTML pages with fixed headers that still scroll properly in
>> the latest FF versions.
>>
>> OK. The reason I didn't proffer a "solution" based on my experience
>> is that yours is a php page, and that, to me, has possible
>> implications about how it is actually being generated and that might
>> account for quirks in the way it interacts with some browser
>> engines. One way to know if that is the source of the problem would
>> be to write the same content as an HTML page and see whether the
>> problem persists.

>
> In the url I gave right at the start of the thread to test browsers
> for the fault perceived, there was no php. So what is your suggestion
> for avoiding the page down and click under problems in that one?
>

My newsreader doesn't go back that far. Please give the urls again, and I'll
take a look.

> That .php appears in the urls in a markup is, of course, nothing that
> can affect a browser's scrolling behaviour.
>

That guarantee differs from my experience.

> As for what is generated on the server, you can see it for yourself
> from View menu in many browsers, there are no php instructions, all of
> those are carried out on the server before the browser gets to do its
> business.
>

I can't see the server-side code in my browser.
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Jonathan N. Little
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      02-05-2014
Neil Gould wrote:
> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> Neil Gould wrote:
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> Preface: I am somewhat limited in that my newsreader doesn't display
>>> the original post, but the post which quoted what I think was the
>>> original question had a link to your page. I had mentioned that your
>>> page worked as expected (with regard to scrolling) in older versions
>>> of FF. Later, in a discussion with dorayme, I mentioned that I've
>>> written HTML pages with fixed headers that still scroll properly in
>>> the latest FF versions.
>>>
>>> OK. The reason I didn't proffer a "solution" based on my experience
>>> is that yours is a php page, and that, to me, has possible
>>> implications about how it is actually being generated and that might
>>> account for quirks in the way it interacts with some browser
>>> engines. One way to know if that is the source of the problem would
>>> be to write the same content as an HTML page and see whether the
>>> problem persists.
>>>

>>
>> Being server-side vs static html should not be an issue at all, as far
>> as the browser is concerned is only 'sees' an html document.
>>

> In my experience, it depends on what is going on in the server-side code.
> The page is not necessarily static, which may be the underlying problem.
>


That is server push which is a whole other story involving streaming or
ajax...but that would not be the same as a static html.

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      02-05-2014
Neil Gould wrote:
> dorayme wrote:
>> In article <lcr4a3$mmf$(E-Mail Removed)>,
>> "Neil Gould" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>



<snip>

>> That .php appears in the urls in a markup is, of course, nothing that
>> can affect a browser's scrolling behaviour.
>>

> That guarantee differs from my experience.


I think you are mistaken on the causality of the issue.

>
>> As for what is generated on the server, you can see it for yourself
>> from View menu in many browsers, there are no php instructions, all of
>> those are carried out on the server before the browser gets to do its
>> business.
>>

> I can't see the server-side code in my browser.
>


Of course you cannot, if you did then the server is misconfigured. As
far as the browser is concerned it is just HTML.


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      02-05-2014
Neil Gould wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:


<snip>

>> Thanks for the thought, Neil. As others have suggested all the PHP
>> processing is done server-side. Once done what is sent to the browser
>> IS HTML.
>>
>> Your info that earlier versions of FF work correctly is good to know.
>> I'll investigate that.
>>

> I know that php processing is server-side. I also know that server-side
> instructions can affect such things as "on-click" actions, among other
> things.


No it cannot. The "on-click" event is handled by the browser. Client
side JavaScript can, but PHP "knows" nothing about your client-side
JavaScript. PHP and any server-side will know nothing baout was is done
client-side until there is an HTTP request. Otherwise we are taking
about Ajax, which is JavaScript and still not PHP.


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Neil Gould
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      02-05-2014
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Neil Gould wrote:
>> dorayme wrote:
>>> In article <lcr4a3$mmf$(E-Mail Removed)>,
>>> "Neil Gould" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>

>
>
> <snip>
>
>>> That .php appears in the urls in a markup is, of course, nothing
>>> that can affect a browser's scrolling behaviour.
>>>

>> That guarantee differs from my experience.

>
> I think you are mistaken on the causality of the issue.
>

So... in your opinion, I really *do* know what's causing Ed's problem? I had
no idea!
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