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PeterN
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      03-24-2013
On 3/24/2013 1:16 AM, Robert Coe wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:37:10 -0400, PeterN <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
> : On 3/23/2013 9:30 PM, Robert Coe wrote:
> : > On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:18:08 -0400, PeterN <(E-Mail Removed)>
> : > wrote:
> : > : On 3/23/2013 6:08 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> : > : > On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:35:11 -0400, PeterN
> : > : > <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : >> On 3/23/2013 9:51 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> : > : >>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:45:32 -0400, PeterN
> : > : >>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> : > : >>>
> : > : >>>> On 3/17/2013 3:31 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> : > : >>>>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:14:15 -0400, PeterN
> : > : >>>>
> : > : >>>>>> <snip>
> : > : >>>>>>
> : > : >>>>>>>
> : > : >>>>>>> Camera clubs live in there own little world and stay in a rut.
> : > : >>>>>>
> : > : >>>>>> Not all. Just some of the judges. My club has 60 members. On competition
> : > : >>>>>> nights we average about 40. On other nights, attendance varies, but
> : > : >>>>>> rarely less than 30. We have filed trips every Sunday. about 15 to 20
> : > : >>>>>> show up. Some just come for breakfast, where we get into discussions.
> : > : >>>>>> About two weeks ago two of our members gave a presentation of shooting
> : > : >>>>>> butterflies. Today, we went to a butterfly exhibit. (Yes it was
> : > : >>>>>> indoors.) On my recent trip to FL, I was kept busy almost every day,
> : > : >>>>>> shooting with members oaf my club.
> : > : >>>>>
> : > : >>>>> A second club I belong to has about 40-50 members. I joined them
> : > : >>>>> yesterday for a field trip to a car show. I'll stop and take a shot
> : > : >>>>> or two at a car show, but I'm not a big fan. Too many people standing
> : > : >>>>> around the cars, the sun is never right for the shot I want, and I've
> : > : >>>>> never been able to get my circular polarizer to do its thing.
> : > : >>>>>
> : > : >>>>> I went for the social aspect. Eight of us had a meal together and
> : > : >>>>> chatted about photography. This smaller club is more social than the
> : > : >>>>> larger club I belong to, but the larger club also has field trips.
> : > : >>>>>
> : > : >>>>> Here's why I don't like car shows:
> : > : >>>>>
> : > : >>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2013-03-16-75.jpg
> : > : >>>>
> : > : >>>> If you only take shots like that, I don't blame you. However, I am
> : > : >>>> surprised that you don't see a lot of good Street shots at a car show,
> : > : >>>> or any other street festival.
> : > : >>>>
> : > : >>>
> : > : >>> Oh, I do. Like this:
> : > : >>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...01-21-2G-L.jpg
> : > : >>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...01-21-1G-L.jpg
> : > : >>
> : > : >> While I understand your enthusiasm for street shots, I have little
> : > : >> personal appreciation of that genre.
> : > : >> That being said, I like the last shot. Too bad the little boy was not in
> : > : >> the upper right-hand corner.
> : > : >
> : > : > That whooshes me. The boy in the diaper? Why would it improve the
> : > : > image if he was in the upper right corner?
> : > : >>
> : > : The fountains make interesting leading lines, that would go straight to
> : > : the little boy. If you have CS6, try a content aware move.
> : >
> : > So what's he going to do? Perch on that palm tree?
> : >
> :
> : Right between the fountains. Of course, he might look a tad smaller so
> : as not to lose perspective.
>
> Er... I believe those things in the upper right corner are more like flagpoles
> than fountains. Are you sure we're looking at the same picture?
>
> Or are you saying that the boy should go to the point on the patio that's
> nearest the upper right corner (and between the flagpoles)? But now there's no
> longer a fountain right in front of him, so the fact that he's looking down at
> it makes no sense. Or do we just Photoshoppe another fountain in for him to
> look at?
>
> What on earth is the point? The picture is perfectly satisfactory with the boy
> where he is. It violates no rule of composition, not even the revered Rule of
> Thirds.
>
> Hmmm. Looking back, I see a smiley on the original suggestion that I've been
> ignoring. I've fallen for a joke, haven't I?
>
> Bob
>


Nope. I was serious. I have no compunctions about manipulating any
image, if I think the image will be stronger.

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      05-08-2013
In article <ki5src$6sp$(E-Mail Removed)>, http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed) says...
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> "Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:ki3hva$acq$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>> Curious why you say they would NOT do well in a camera club? Just
> >>> wondering?
> >>
> >> Many judges would say: the hot spots are distracting; parts of the
> >> creatures are outside the image area, etc.
> >> Please note the above is not my impression, but is intended to be a
> >> commentary of the weaknesses of camera club judging. I have often said
> >> that Cartier-Bresson, would not do well in camera club competitions.
> >>

> > Agree with your comments, camera club judges are full of themselves on the
> > night, nit picking, they can't correctly evaluate the elements of an image
> > and ridicule the content. As an example some time ago had a image
> > evaluated and the comment was the horizon was not straight, funny about
> > that it had lens curvature. Another example was architecture, where
> > verticals should be vertical or over over emphasised, looking up at a tall
> > building, the judge picked on one as not vertical which should have been,
> > but there were 2 others out of whack as well, but no criticism of the fact
> > but given awards!
> >
> > I have even pointed out plagiarism of images and part images, to the
> > committee, ripped off the web, and they have condoned the use of such
> > images, to the extent where the image has been best in section. I was
> > being a pain in the arse to them.
> >
> > I'm sure other images being presented in competitions, were not setup or
> > photographed by the author, as they didn't show a consistent standard of
> > such photographer compare with there other submissions.
> >
> > What does amaze me is the judges will critique an image but can't explain
> > why or give their opinion how to rectify the perceived fault.
> >
> > One particular night there was this judge who insisted using "Um" all the
> > time, this irritates me as its them catching up with their thoughts,
> > anyhow this was so annoying that I started to count the number of time she
> > used "Um" and the intervals between. Results basically, 700, at 20 second
> > intervals, yep - over 3 hour period.
> > What a long boring night that turned out to be.
> >
> > Camera clubs live in there own little world and stay in a rut.

>
>
> The real question is why you would bother then rather than get out and take
> pictures for your own pleasure, and/or paying clients, rather than approval
> from stupid camera club judges?


It's not a matter of "approval", it's a matter of soliciting the advice
of others to improve your own work. You're not obligated to take that
advice, but having it can be helpful.
 
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      05-08-2013
On 5/8/2013 10:58 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <ki5src$6sp$(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed) says...
>>
>> "Rob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:ki3hva$acq$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> Curious why you say they would NOT do well in a camera club? Just
>>>>> wondering?
>>>>
>>>> Many judges would say: the hot spots are distracting; parts of the
>>>> creatures are outside the image area, etc.
>>>> Please note the above is not my impression, but is intended to be a
>>>> commentary of the weaknesses of camera club judging. I have often said
>>>> that Cartier-Bresson, would not do well in camera club competitions.
>>>>
>>> Agree with your comments, camera club judges are full of themselves on the
>>> night, nit picking, they can't correctly evaluate the elements of an image
>>> and ridicule the content. As an example some time ago had a image
>>> evaluated and the comment was the horizon was not straight, funny about
>>> that it had lens curvature. Another example was architecture, where
>>> verticals should be vertical or over over emphasised, looking up at a tall
>>> building, the judge picked on one as not vertical which should have been,
>>> but there were 2 others out of whack as well, but no criticism of the fact
>>> but given awards!
>>>
>>> I have even pointed out plagiarism of images and part images, to the
>>> committee, ripped off the web, and they have condoned the use of such
>>> images, to the extent where the image has been best in section. I was
>>> being a pain in the arse to them.
>>>
>>> I'm sure other images being presented in competitions, were not setup or
>>> photographed by the author, as they didn't show a consistent standard of
>>> such photographer compare with there other submissions.
>>>
>>> What does amaze me is the judges will critique an image but can't explain
>>> why or give their opinion how to rectify the perceived fault.
>>>
>>> One particular night there was this judge who insisted using "Um" all the
>>> time, this irritates me as its them catching up with their thoughts,
>>> anyhow this was so annoying that I started to count the number of time she
>>> used "Um" and the intervals between. Results basically, 700, at 20 second
>>> intervals, yep - over 3 hour period.
>>> What a long boring night that turned out to be.
>>>
>>> Camera clubs live in there own little world and stay in a rut.

>>
>>
>> The real question is why you would bother then rather than get out and take
>> pictures for your own pleasure, and/or paying clients, rather than approval
>> from stupid camera club judges?

>
> It's not a matter of "approval", it's a matter of soliciting the advice
> of others to improve your own work. You're not obligated to take that
> advice, but having it can be helpful.
>


Spot on. Many photographic masterpieces, would not score well in CC
competitions. There are members who prepare images solely for CC
competitions. If that is what they want, than I say fine, but as you
correctly point out, there's a lot more to camera clubs than just
competitions. Here is an image that I like, but did not do well in CC
competition. But, I still like it.

<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/swooper.jpg>

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