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Pablo wrote:

> otter wrote:
>
>
>> Blue skies are overrated. Do you have a RAW file we can play with?
>> Or even a large JPEG?
>
> Be my guest, but my upload speed is only about 800k from here, and the
> file is 9MB.
>
> http://paulc.es/tmp/IMG_6083.CR2
>

That directory gets backed up, so I'll be removing that file some time
today.

--
Pablo

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/
http://paulc.es/

On Mar 8, 3:23*am, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> Pablo wrote:
> > otter wrote:
>
> >> Blue skies are overrated. *Do you have a RAW file we can play with?
> >> Or even a large JPEG?
>
> > Be my guest, but my upload speed is only about 800k from here, and the
> > file is 9MB.
>
> >http://paulc.es/tmp/IMG_6083.CR2
>
> That directory gets backed up, so I'll be removing that file some time
> today.
>
> --
> Pablo
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wibbley...tp://paulc.es/

That link didn't work for me. Any way to put it in dropbox? If it is
too much trouble, no big deal.

otter wrote:

> On Mar 8, 3:23 am, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> Pablo wrote:
>> > otter wrote:
>>
>> >> Blue skies are overrated. Do you have a RAW file we can play with?
>> >> Or even a large JPEG?
>>
>> > Be my guest, but my upload speed is only about 800k from here, and the
>> > file is 9MB.
>>
>> >http://paulc.es/tmp/IMG_6083.CR2
>>
>> That directory gets backed up, so I'll be removing that file some time
>> today.

> That link didn't work for me. Any way to put it in dropbox? If it is
> too much trouble, no big deal.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28266593/IMG_6083.CR2

Although, if the other link "didn't work" for you then I don't suppose this
one will either. I just clicked on the other link amd the image opened up in
"Shotwell" image viewer.

--
Pablo

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/
http://paulc.es/

On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 04:32:14 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
wrote:
: On 2013-03-07 03:48:31 -0800, Pablo <> said:
:
: > Savageduck wrote:
:
: >>
: >> Just another good reason to work in 16-bit RAW (You can straighten in
: >> ACR) until that final "Save as" to an 8-bit JPEG.
: >>
: >
: > Oh. I hadn't realised that.
:
: When you open a RAW file in PSE you will first be led through ACR. On
: the upper left of the ACR window you will see tools for straightening,
: cropping, red-eye, etc. Those edits will be non-damaging

Care with terminology is required here. The edits are non-damaging if they're
recorded as addenda to the image and can be removed (not just computationally
reversed) so as to leave all original values unchanged. This is, I believe,
typical of RAW-mode editors. But as soon as you save the image in a different
format (JPEG, for example), you have permanently incorporated the roundoff
error generated by application of the changes to the RAW image, as well as by
the conversion itself. To a first approximation, this doesn't matter at all if
the computations were done in 16-bit and the result is an 8-bit JPEG. But
roundoff error can grow surprisingly rapidly, and calculation of its effects
is one of the deeper topics of applied mathematics. So if you manhandle the
image enough, even in RAW, you may visibly degrade the final product.

Bob

On Mar 8, 5:28*am, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> otter wrote:
> > On Mar 8, 3:23 am, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >> Pablo wrote:
> >> > otter wrote:
>
> >> >> Blue skies are overrated. *Do you have a RAW file we can play with?
> >> >> Or even a large JPEG?
>
> >> > Be my guest, but my upload speed is only about 800k from here, and the
> >> > file is 9MB.
>
> >> >http://paulc.es/tmp/IMG_6083.CR2
>
> >> That directory gets backed up, so I'll be removing that file some time
> >> today.
> > That link didn't work for me. *Any way to put it in dropbox? *If itis
> > too much trouble, no big deal.
>
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28266593/IMG_6083.CR2
>
> Although, if the other link "didn't work" for you then I don't suppose this
> one will either. I just clicked on the other link amd the image opened upin
> "Shotwell" image viewer.
>
> --
> Pablo
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wibbley...tp://paulc.es/

That worked, and downloaded pretty quickly. I'll play around with it
this weekend when I get some time.

The bird's head is not in focus, so the picture has limited potential
to be cropped very tightly.

What did you want to convey with this picture?

otter wrote:

> The bird's head is not in focus, so the picture has limited potential
> to be cropped very tightly.

It was at several hundred metres without tripod with the lens at 400mm. I
didn't think I'd done that badly.

> What did you want to convey with this picture?

Erm, did you see the start of this thread? The thread is actually about my
move from Gimp to PSE. Playing, really.

It seems my composure and focussing etc. are somewhat shite, so I need to
learn how to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

--
Pablo

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/
http://paulc.es/

Savageduck wrote:

> On 2013-03-08 06:25:26 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
> said:
>
>> On 2013-03-08 03:28:04 -0800, Pablo <> said:
>>
>>> otter wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 3:23 am, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>> Pablo wrote:
>>>>>> otter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blue skies are overrated. Do you have a RAW file we can play with?
>>>>>>> Or even a large JPEG?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Be my guest, but my upload speed is only about 800k from here, and
>>>>>> the file is 9MB.
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://paulc.es/tmp/IMG_6083.CR2
>>>>>
>>>>> That directory gets backed up, so I'll be removing that file some time
>>>>> today.
>>>
>>>> That link didn't work for me. Any way to put it in dropbox? If it is
>>>> too much trouble, no big deal.
>>>
>>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28266593/IMG_6083.CR2
>>>
>>> Although, if the other link "didn't work" for you then I don't suppose
>>> this one will either. I just clicked on the other link amd the image
>>> opened up in "Shotwell" image viewer.
>>
>> That worked just fine. Click on the link and the CR2 downloaded PDQ.
>> I will play & return a result.
>
> OK!
>
> I straightened and adjusted in Lightroom 4 and then moved to CS5 to add
> my final touch for crop and frame/border addition.
>
> So what you have here is an 8-bit jpeg of the straightened, adjusted
> and uncropped image.
> Next is the 16-bit DNG exported from LR.
> ...and finally a cropped and finished jpeg.
> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...83-Edit-1w.jpg >
> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil..._6083-Edit.dng >
> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...083-Edit2w.jpg >
>
>

I'll have to try that workflow. I bought Lightroom and didn't know what I
was going to do with it. Is it better than Camera Raw for raw stuff? Or is
it just that you are used to it?

--
Pablo

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/
http://paulc.es/

Savageduck wrote:

> On 2013-03-08 07:13:16 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
> said:
>
>> On 2013-03-08 06:25:26 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
>> said:
>>
>>> On 2013-03-08 03:28:04 -0800, Pablo <> said:
>>>
>>>> otter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 8, 3:23 am, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Pablo wrote:
>>>>>>> otter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blue skies are overrated. Do you have a RAW file we can play with?
>>>>>>>> Or even a large JPEG?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Be my guest, but my upload speed is only about 800k from here, and
>>>>>>> the file is 9MB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://paulc.es/tmp/IMG_6083.CR2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That directory gets backed up, so I'll be removing that file some
>>>>>> time today.
>>>>
>>>>> That link didn't work for me. Any way to put it in dropbox? If it is
>>>>> too much trouble, no big deal.
>>>>
>>>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28266593/IMG_6083.CR2
>>>>
>>>> Although, if the other link "didn't work" for you then I don't suppose
>>>> this one will either. I just clicked on the other link amd the image
>>>> opened up in "Shotwell" image viewer.
>>>
>>> That worked just fine. Click on the link and the CR2 downloaded PDQ.
>>> I will play & return a result.
>>
>> OK!
>>
>> I straightened and adjusted in Lightroom 4 and then moved to CS5 to add
>> my final touch for crop and frame/border addition.
>>
>> So what you have here is an 8-bit jpeg of the straightened, adjusted
>> and uncropped image.
>> Next is the 16-bit DNG exported from LR.
>> ...and finally a cropped and finished jpeg.
>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...83-Edit-1w.jpg >
>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil..._6083-Edit.dng >
>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...083-Edit2w.jpg >
>
> ...and here is a side-by-side comparison.
> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_153.jpg >
>

Right, as an excercise, I'll see if I can match that

--
Pablo

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/
http://paulc.es/

On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:28:04 +0100, Pablo <> wrote:
: otter wrote:
:
: > On Mar 8, 3:23 am, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
: >> Pablo wrote:
: >> > otter wrote:
: >>
: >> >> Blue skies are overrated. Do you have a RAW file we can play with?
: >> >> Or even a large JPEG?
: >>
: >> > Be my guest, but my upload speed is only about 800k from here, and the
: >> > file is 9MB.
: >>
: >> >http://paulc.es/tmp/IMG_6083.CR2
: >>
: >> That directory gets backed up, so I'll be removing that file some time
: >> today.
:
: > That link didn't work for me. Any way to put it in dropbox? If it is
: > too much trouble, no big deal.
:
: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28266593/IMG_6083.CR2
:
: Although, if the other link "didn't work" for you then I don't suppose this
: one will either. I just clicked on the other link amd the image opened up in
: "Shotwell" image viewer.

I was able to read the second link and edited the picture with DPP. It came
out a lot better if I do say so. ;^) I was about to email it to you, but I
see that your email address is bogus. Mine isn't, so if you send me your real
one, I'll send you the edited image.

Bob

Pablo wrote:

> Savageduck wrote:
>
>> On 2013-03-08 07:13:16 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
>> said:
>>
>>> On 2013-03-08 06:25:26 -0800, Savageduck
>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
>>>
>>>> On 2013-03-08 03:28:04 -0800, Pablo <> said:
>>>>
>>>>> otter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 8, 3:23 am, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Pablo wrote:
>>>>>>>> otter wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Blue skies are overrated. Do you have a RAW file we can play
>>>>>>>>> with? Or even a large JPEG?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Be my guest, but my upload speed is only about 800k from here, and
>>>>>>>> the file is 9MB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://paulc.es/tmp/IMG_6083.CR2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That directory gets backed up, so I'll be removing that file some
>>>>>>> time today.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That link didn't work for me. Any way to put it in dropbox? If it
>>>>>> is too much trouble, no big deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28266593/IMG_6083.CR2
>>>>>
>>>>> Although, if the other link "didn't work" for you then I don't suppose
>>>>> this one will either. I just clicked on the other link amd the image
>>>>> opened up in "Shotwell" image viewer.
>>>>
>>>> That worked just fine. Click on the link and the CR2 downloaded PDQ.
>>>> I will play & return a result.
>>>
>>> OK!
>>>
>>> I straightened and adjusted in Lightroom 4 and then moved to CS5 to add
>>> my final touch for crop and frame/border addition.
>>>
>>> So what you have here is an 8-bit jpeg of the straightened, adjusted
>>> and uncropped image.
>>> Next is the 16-bit DNG exported from LR.
>>> ...and finally a cropped and finished jpeg.
>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...83-Edit-1w.jpg >
>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil..._6083-Edit.dng >
>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...083-Edit2w.jpg >
>>
>> ...and here is a side-by-side comparison.
>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_153.jpg >
>>
>
> Right, as an excercise, I'll see if I can match that
>

It's slowwwww...

--
Pablo

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/
http://paulc.es/