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On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:48:41 PM UTC-6, Andy Champ wrote:
> On 26/02/2013 09:03, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
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> > Ok. Well, as I see it a newbie definitely needs at least a C++98
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> > compiler. I hear that there are freeware versions of Microsoft's
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> > compiler, but don't know how they compare to MinGW.
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> > C++11/is/ an improvement on C++98 and it's good that your book
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> > covers it, but IMHO it's not a big handicap for you to start out with
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> > C++98.
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> ICBW but I don't believe MS's compiler is fully C++11 compliant. Whether
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> that matters or not, and whether GCC is any better I don't know.
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> Andy

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr.../hh567368.aspx < VC's C++ 11 state.

Microsoft has a complete c++ 11 compliant standard library -- including threading though with lacking true variadic template support, and lacking initilizer list constructors (compiler support has not caught up enough yet).

GCC 4.7 implements nearly all of the standard, lacking memory model and related features, which causes the libstd to suffer from lack of threading support.

C++ 11 is still in flux, everyone's still trying to catch up. Though the catching up is moving WAY faster than the c++ 98 adoption did.

For the OP's question though, he's really looking more for an IDE, visual studio 2012 desktop would work, or if he's really needing gcc, QtCreator for windows comes with MinGw(GCC 4.7).

Am Montag, 25. Februar 2013 18:26:43 UTC+1 schrieb Nobody:
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:08:52 +0000, Swifty wrote: > I bought "C++ Primer Fifth Edition" as an introduction to C++. It says > that it used the GNU C++ compiler mostly. Can that be installed under > Windows 7? Yes. The usual source for gcc (and other GNU programming tools) for Windows is MinGW: http://www.mingw.org/

As you are using Windows7 I would suggest to start with Visual C++ Express.You get a decent editor, an easy to use debugger and a good help system (MSDN). That's great for a beginner (C++ newbie)

I myself did also install mingw. But just because Microsoft C++ only has about 50% of the new C++11 stuff. And I am only using GNU C++ for things not (yet) supported by MS.

Again: I am not saying which compiler is better. I am just talking about the ease of usage. As a beginner you will use like only 10% of C++ anyway...

On 28/02/2013 14:33, wrote:
> As a beginner you will use like only 10% of C++ anyway...

If I ever make it that far! The language I've been using for the last 35
years is defined in a book of 299 pages (including the index). My C++
primer is 900+ pages, so I'll almost certainly fall short of 30% of it.

--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/

On Thu, 2013-02-28, wrote:

> As you are using Windows7 I would suggest to start with Visual C++
> Express. You get a decent editor, an easy to use debugger and a good
> help system (MSDN). That's great for a beginner (C++ newbie) >
....
> Again: I am not saying which compiler is better. I am just talking
> about the ease of usage.

Ease of use is debatable too -- force me to use such an environment
and you'd see my productivity drop like a stone. The compiler itself
matters little, though.

> As a beginner you will use like only 10% of
> C++ anyway...

If the implication is (and it probably isn't) that 90% of C++ is more
or less experts-only, then I disagree. There are a few rarely-useful
corners and some cruft left over from C, but most of it is relevant
much of the time.

/Jorgen

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