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On 1 Feb 2013 15:22:57 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:53:40 +0000, brightside S9 wrote:
>
>> On 1 Feb 2013 13:57:06 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:45:50 +0000, brightside S9 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30 Jan 2013 23:28:30 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>>>> I think I've managed to set it up OK. Ive followed the help on SPA112
>>>> configuration utility.
>>>>
>>>> SPA 112- I get System light on solid, Internet light on solid and
>>>> phone 1 on hook on solid.
>>>
>>>Does the on hook light go out when you lift the phone?
>>
>> No stays on solid - Should go to flashing state according to the quick
>> start guide. If the light is OFF it means Port Not Ready, again
>> according to the quick start guide . Phone port 2 light is off as not
>> configured but see further down.
>
>Should also go off when you lift the phone.
>
>>>> Looking at SPA112 Adapter configuration it shows:-
>>>> System status:
>>>> Elapsed time 45 minutes and counting.
>>>> SIP messages sent 12 SIP messages received 12 SIP Bytes sent 8031 SIP
>>>> Bytes received 5363
>>>>
>>>> Line 1 status:
>>>> Hook status ON Registerd Staus REGISTERED Lasr registration at
>>>> 2/1/2013 05:04:46 Next Registration in 255s Call 1 state IDLE Call 1
>>>> tone NONE Call 2 state IDLE Call 2 tone NONE
>>>
>>>And indeed does the hook status change if you lift the phone and refresh
>>>the page?
>>>
>>>
>> No, stays showing on hook.
>
>Definitely on hook then!
>
>Both of these indicate that the wiring is faulty...
>
>> Also configured phone port 2. Same results. No dial tone and on hook
>> indications on SPA112 lights and in the configuration utility, Refresh
>> makes no difference.
>>
>> Just routed around in my junk box and found a spare RJ11 to BT plug
>> cable that was orininall shipped with the netgear router. Hoping for a
>> bit of luck, plugged the RJ11 end into the SPA112 and the BT plug into
>> a BT double adapter, socket 1, and the phone with BT lead to RJ11
>> (that's the on that works on BT line) into the double adapter socket.
>>
>> SPA - rj11 - cable[1] - btplug - bt double adapter- btplug - cable[2]
>> - RJ11 - phone.
>>
>> [1] dont know the wiring in this, but 4 wires are presentat RJ11 end
>> [2]wired straight pins 3 & 4 only
>>
>> No luck, just the same results as before for both phone ports.
>
>These cables can be wired two different ways!

I've ordered a couple of RJ11 to BT FSX adapters with ring capacitor.
Not that I need the ring capacitor for this phone, but the adapter are
branded Cisco (or so the seller claims). It is just that the adapters
may stand a chance of being wired correctly.

--
brightside S9

On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:53:40 +0000, brightside S9
<address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote:

>On 1 Feb 2013 13:57:06 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:45:50 +0000, brightside S9 wrote:
>>
>>> On 30 Jan 2013 23:28:30 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>>> I think I've managed to set it up OK. Ive followed the help on SPA112
>>> configuration utility.
>>>
>>> SPA 112- I get System light on solid, Internet light on solid and phone
>>> 1 on hook on solid.
>>
>>Does the on hook light go out when you lift the phone?
>
>No stays on solid - Should go to flashing state according to the
>quick start guide. If the light is OFF it means Port Not Ready, again
>according to the quick start guide . Phone port 2 light is off as not
>configured but see further down.
>>
>>> Looking at SPA112 Adapter configuration it shows:-
>>> System status:
>>> Elapsed time 45 minutes and counting.
>>> SIP messages sent 12 SIP messages received 12 SIP Bytes sent 8031 SIP
>>> Bytes received 5363
>>>
>>> Line 1 status:
>>> Hook status ON Registerd Staus REGISTERED Lasr registration at 2/1/2013
>>> 05:04:46 Next Registration in 255s Call 1 state IDLE Call 1 tone NONE
>>> Call 2 state IDLE Call 2 tone NONE
>>
>>And indeed does the hook status change if you lift the phone and refresh
>>the page?
>>
>
>No, stays showing on hook.
>
>>> Now of course the phone I'm using has a BT plug on it to RJ11 plug in
>>> back of phone, RJ11 pins 3 & 4 to BT plug pins 2 & 5.
>>>
>>> So I have replaced that lead with a RJ11 plug to RJ11 plug pins 3 & 4
>>> only wired.
>>
>>> There was no lead for the phone in the box of bits delivered with the
>>> SPA112 and I cant find out what pins are used in the RJ11 sockets in the
>>> SPA112. I'm guessing that I'll need a lead RJ11 to RJ11 plug bot not
>>> wired straight pin to pin. What do you use for the connection?
>>
>>I use a little adaptor that plugs into the phone socket, with an RJ11
>>socket on its front. I think the RJ11 wiring is the problem....but see
>>above for my questions.
>
>Also configured phone port 2. Same results. No dial tone and on hook
>indications on SPA112 lights and in the configuration utility, Refresh
>makes no difference.
>
>Just routed around in my junk box and found a spare RJ11 to BT plug
>cable that was orininall shipped with the netgear router. Hoping for a
>bit of luck, plugged the RJ11 end into the SPA112 and the BT plug
>into a BT double adapter, socket 1, and the phone with BT lead to RJ11
>(that's the on that works on BT line) into the double adapter socket.
>
>SPA - rj11 - cable[1] - btplug - bt double adapter- btplug - cable[2]
>- RJ11 - phone.
>
>[1] dont know the wiring in this, but 4 wires are presentat RJ11 end
>[2]wired straight pins 3 & 4 only
>
>No luck, just the same results as before for both phone ports.

RJ11 pin numbering can cause confusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack

The only pins connected in the Sipura ate the *inner pair*, there is
no confusion if you think of it that way.
As those centre pins correspond with 2&5 on the BT plug it is not
straight through, crossover would describe it better.


You will find that the cable you are using has the *outer pair* of the
4 pin RJ11 connected to 2&5 of the BT plug. Most phones come with such
a cable so this is a common problem.

If you have an old analogue modem the cable that came with it will
almost certainly be what you need.

Another way to tackle this is to use a spare RJ11 cable that you get
with an ADSL router, and a spare ADSL filter like mine here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/g3zvt/8...ream/lightbox/

If all else fails, cut the cable you have in half and connect the
wires up correctly.

On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:29:44 +0000, Graham. wrote:

> On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:53:40 +0000, brightside S9
> <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 1 Feb 2013 13:57:06 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:45:50 +0000, brightside S9 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30 Jan 2013 23:28:30 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>>>> I think I've managed to set it up OK. Ive followed the help on SPA112
>>>> configuration utility.
>>>>
>>>> SPA 112- I get System light on solid, Internet light on solid and
>>>> phone 1 on hook on solid.
>>>
>>>Does the on hook light go out when you lift the phone?
>>
>>No stays on solid - Should go to flashing state according to the quick
>>start guide. If the light is OFF it means Port Not Ready, again
>>according to the quick start guide . Phone port 2 light is off as not
>>configured but see further down.
>>>
>>>> Looking at SPA112 Adapter configuration it shows:-
>>>> System status:
>>>> Elapsed time 45 minutes and counting.
>>>> SIP messages sent 12 SIP messages received 12 SIP Bytes sent 8031 SIP
>>>> Bytes received 5363
>>>>
>>>> Line 1 status:
>>>> Hook status ON Registerd Staus REGISTERED Lasr registration at
>>>> 2/1/2013 05:04:46 Next Registration in 255s Call 1 state IDLE Call 1
>>>> tone NONE Call 2 state IDLE Call 2 tone NONE
>>>
>>>And indeed does the hook status change if you lift the phone and
>>>refresh the page?
>>>
>>>
>>No, stays showing on hook.
>>
>>>> Now of course the phone I'm using has a BT plug on it to RJ11 plug in
>>>> back of phone, RJ11 pins 3 & 4 to BT plug pins 2 & 5.
>>>>
>>>> So I have replaced that lead with a RJ11 plug to RJ11 plug pins 3 & 4
>>>> only wired.
>>>
>>>> There was no lead for the phone in the box of bits delivered with the
>>>> SPA112 and I cant find out what pins are used in the RJ11 sockets in
>>>> the SPA112. I'm guessing that I'll need a lead RJ11 to RJ11 plug
>>>> bot not wired straight pin to pin. What do you use for the
>>>> connection?
>>>
>>>I use a little adaptor that plugs into the phone socket, with an RJ11
>>>socket on its front. I think the RJ11 wiring is the problem....but see
>>>above for my questions.
>>
>>Also configured phone port 2. Same results. No dial tone and on hook
>>indications on SPA112 lights and in the configuration utility, Refresh
>>makes no difference.
>>
>>Just routed around in my junk box and found a spare RJ11 to BT plug
>>cable that was orininall shipped with the netgear router. Hoping for a
>>bit of luck, plugged the RJ11 end into the SPA112 and the BT plug into
>>a BT double adapter, socket 1, and the phone with BT lead to RJ11
>>(that's the on that works on BT line) into the double adapter socket.
>>
>>SPA - rj11 - cable[1] - btplug - bt double adapter- btplug - cable[2]
>>- RJ11 - phone.
>>
>>[1] dont know the wiring in this, but 4 wires are presentat RJ11 end
>>[2]wired straight pins 3 & 4 only
>>
>>No luck, just the same results as before for both phone ports.
>
> RJ11 pin numbering can cause confusion
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack
>
> The only pins connected in the Sipura ate the *inner pair*, there is no
> confusion if you think of it that way.
> As those centre pins correspond with 2&5 on the BT plug it is not
> straight through, crossover would describe it better.
>
>
> You will find that the cable you are using has the *outer pair* of the 4
> pin RJ11 connected to 2&5 of the BT plug. Most phones come with such a
> cable so this is a common problem.
>
> If you have an old analogue modem the cable that came with it will
> almost certainly be what you need.
>
> Another way to tackle this is to use a spare RJ11 cable that you get
> with an ADSL router, and a spare ADSL filter like mine here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/g3zvt/8...ream/lightbox/
>
> If all else fails, cut the cable you have in half and connect the wires
> up correctly.

I made my own cables but couldn't find my record of what I'd done.



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On 1 Feb 2013 20:56:28 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:29:44 +0000, Graham. wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:53:40 +0000, brightside S9
>> <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1 Feb 2013 13:57:06 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:45:50 +0000, brightside S9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Jan 2013 23:28:30 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>>>>> I think I've managed to set it up OK. Ive followed the help on SPA112
>>>>> configuration utility.
>>>>>
>>>>> SPA 112- I get System light on solid, Internet light on solid and
>>>>> phone 1 on hook on solid.
>>>>
>>>>Does the on hook light go out when you lift the phone?
>>>
>>>No stays on solid - Should go to flashing state according to the quick
>>>start guide. If the light is OFF it means Port Not Ready, again
>>>according to the quick start guide . Phone port 2 light is off as not
>>>configured but see further down.
>>>>
>>>>> Looking at SPA112 Adapter configuration it shows:-
>>>>> System status:
>>>>> Elapsed time 45 minutes and counting.
>>>>> SIP messages sent 12 SIP messages received 12 SIP Bytes sent 8031 SIP
>>>>> Bytes received 5363
>>>>>
>>>>> Line 1 status:
>>>>> Hook status ON Registerd Staus REGISTERED Lasr registration at
>>>>> 2/1/2013 05:04:46 Next Registration in 255s Call 1 state IDLE Call 1
>>>>> tone NONE Call 2 state IDLE Call 2 tone NONE
>>>>
>>>>And indeed does the hook status change if you lift the phone and
>>>>refresh the page?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>No, stays showing on hook.
>>>
>>>>> Now of course the phone I'm using has a BT plug on it to RJ11 plug in
>>>>> back of phone, RJ11 pins 3 & 4 to BT plug pins 2 & 5.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I have replaced that lead with a RJ11 plug to RJ11 plug pins 3 & 4
>>>>> only wired.
>>>>
>>>>> There was no lead for the phone in the box of bits delivered with the
>>>>> SPA112 and I cant find out what pins are used in the RJ11 sockets in
>>>>> the SPA112. I'm guessing that I'll need a lead RJ11 to RJ11 plug
>>>>> bot not wired straight pin to pin. What do you use for the
>>>>> connection?
>>>>
>>>>I use a little adaptor that plugs into the phone socket, with an RJ11
>>>>socket on its front. I think the RJ11 wiring is the problem....but see
>>>>above for my questions.
>>>
>>>Also configured phone port 2. Same results. No dial tone and on hook
>>>indications on SPA112 lights and in the configuration utility, Refresh
>>>makes no difference.
>>>
>>>Just routed around in my junk box and found a spare RJ11 to BT plug
>>>cable that was orininall shipped with the netgear router. Hoping for a
>>>bit of luck, plugged the RJ11 end into the SPA112 and the BT plug into
>>>a BT double adapter, socket 1, and the phone with BT lead to RJ11
>>>(that's the on that works on BT line) into the double adapter socket.
>>>
>>>SPA - rj11 - cable[1] - btplug - bt double adapter- btplug - cable[2]
>>>- RJ11 - phone.
>>>
>>>[1] dont know the wiring in this, but 4 wires are presentat RJ11 end
>>>[2]wired straight pins 3 & 4 only
>>>
>>>No luck, just the same results as before for both phone ports.
>>
>> RJ11 pin numbering can cause confusion
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack
>>
>> The only pins connected in the Sipura ate the *inner pair*, there is no
>> confusion if you think of it that way.
>> As those centre pins correspond with 2&5 on the BT plug it is not
>> straight through, crossover would describe it better.
>>
>>
>> You will find that the cable you are using has the *outer pair* of the 4
>> pin RJ11 connected to 2&5 of the BT plug. Most phones come with such a
>> cable so this is a common problem.
>>
>> If you have an old analogue modem the cable that came with it will
>> almost certainly be what you need.
>>
>> Another way to tackle this is to use a spare RJ11 cable that you get
>> with an ADSL router, and a spare ADSL filter like mine here:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/g3zvt/8...ream/lightbox/
>>
>> If all else fails, cut the cable you have in half and connect the wires
>> up correctly.
>
>I made my own cables but couldn't find my record of what I'd done.

My kludge even makes the pin 3 ring availible, should your phone
require it.

On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:29:44 +0000, Graham. <> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:53:40 +0000, brightside S9
><address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 1 Feb 2013 13:57:06 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:45:50 +0000, brightside S9 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30 Jan 2013 23:28:30 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>>>> I think I've managed to set it up OK. Ive followed the help on SPA112
>>>> configuration utility.
>>>>
>>>> SPA 112- I get System light on solid, Internet light on solid and phone
>>>> 1 on hook on solid.
>>>
>>>Does the on hook light go out when you lift the phone?
>>
>>No stays on solid - Should go to flashing state according to the
>>quick start guide. If the light is OFF it means Port Not Ready, again
>>according to the quick start guide . Phone port 2 light is off as not
>>configured but see further down.
>>>
>>>> Looking at SPA112 Adapter configuration it shows:-
>>>> System status:
>>>> Elapsed time 45 minutes and counting.
>>>> SIP messages sent 12 SIP messages received 12 SIP Bytes sent 8031 SIP
>>>> Bytes received 5363
>>>>
>>>> Line 1 status:
>>>> Hook status ON Registerd Staus REGISTERED Lasr registration at 2/1/2013
>>>> 05:04:46 Next Registration in 255s Call 1 state IDLE Call 1 tone NONE
>>>> Call 2 state IDLE Call 2 tone NONE
>>>
>>>And indeed does the hook status change if you lift the phone and refresh
>>>the page?
>>>
>>
>>No, stays showing on hook.
>>
>>>> Now of course the phone I'm using has a BT plug on it to RJ11 plug in
>>>> back of phone, RJ11 pins 3 & 4 to BT plug pins 2 & 5.
>>>>
>>>> So I have replaced that lead with a RJ11 plug to RJ11 plug pins 3 & 4
>>>> only wired.
>>>
>>>> There was no lead for the phone in the box of bits delivered with the
>>>> SPA112 and I cant find out what pins are used in the RJ11 sockets in the
>>>> SPA112. I'm guessing that I'll need a lead RJ11 to RJ11 plug bot not
>>>> wired straight pin to pin. What do you use for the connection?
>>>
>>>I use a little adaptor that plugs into the phone socket, with an RJ11
>>>socket on its front. I think the RJ11 wiring is the problem....but see
>>>above for my questions.
>>
>>Also configured phone port 2. Same results. No dial tone and on hook
>>indications on SPA112 lights and in the configuration utility, Refresh
>>makes no difference.
>>
>>Just routed around in my junk box and found a spare RJ11 to BT plug
>>cable that was orininall shipped with the netgear router. Hoping for a
>>bit of luck, plugged the RJ11 end into the SPA112 and the BT plug
>>into a BT double adapter, socket 1, and the phone with BT lead to RJ11
>>(that's the on that works on BT line) into the double adapter socket.
>>
>>SPA - rj11 - cable[1] - btplug - bt double adapter- btplug - cable[2]
>>- RJ11 - phone.
>>
>>[1] dont know the wiring in this, but 4 wires are presentat RJ11 end
>>[2]wired straight pins 3 & 4 only
>>
>>No luck, just the same results as before for both phone ports.
>
>RJ11 pin numbering can cause confusion
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack
>
>The only pins connected in the Sipura ate the *inner pair*, there is
>no confusion if you think of it that way.

That' what I needed to know.

>As those centre pins correspond with 2&5 on the BT plug it is not
>straight through, crossover would describe it better.

Though that doesn't explain why the SIP112 wouldn't indicate off hook
when I used an RJ to RJ cable with inner pair to inner pair and the
cable plugged *directly* from the SPA112 into the phone to replace
the BT to RJ11 cable, that I used when testing the phone in the BT
socket. The BT to RJ11 cable had two wires in the inner pair of the
RJ11 plug that goes into the phone. So I assumed that is what the
phone wanted, and polarity doesn't matter. Though I haven't metered
out that cable so it might just be duff. As simple as that. 8-(

>You will find that the cable you are using has the *outer pair* of the
>4 pin RJ11 connected to 2&5 of the BT plug. Most phones come with such
>a cable so this is a common problem.

That does explain why my bodge of connecting two cables and a BT
double adapter failed. I metered out the this bodge, end to end,
and the two inner connectors of the RJ11 that plug *directly* into the
phone went to the outer pair in the RJ plug that went into the SPA112.

>If you have an old analogue modem the cable that came with it will
>almost certainly be what you need.
>
>Another way to tackle this is to use a spare RJ11 cable that you get
>with an ADSL router, and a spare ADSL filter like mine here:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/g3zvt/8...ream/lightbox/
>
>If all else fails, cut the cable you have in half and connect the
>wires up correctly.

I'll go rumaging in my junk box, buried at the back of the garage. I
know there are filters in there but I not sure that there are any
'router' cables with all 4 or just 2 wires connected RJ11 to RJ11
straight. I do remember bringing home some cables fron a $ shop in
Toronto some years ago. I wonder what I did with them?

I've just checked the configuration again. The 2nd line is registered
(I deconfigured the 1st line to keep it simple for now). I have given
the SPA112 a fixed IP address in the router. Sipgate shows the device
status correctly (AFAICT). Now I just need to understand if I need
to do anything about NAT. .

Thanks for your help.

--
brightside S9

On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:21:51 +0000, Graham. wrote:

> On 1 Feb 2013 20:56:28 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:29:44 +0000, Graham. wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:53:40 +0000, brightside S9
>>> <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 1 Feb 2013 13:57:06 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:45:50 +0000, brightside S9 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Jan 2013 23:28:30 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:
>>>>>> I think I've managed to set it up OK. Ive followed the help on
>>>>>> SPA112 configuration utility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SPA 112- I get System light on solid, Internet light on solid and
>>>>>> phone 1 on hook on solid.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does the on hook light go out when you lift the phone?
>>>>
>>>>No stays on solid - Should go to flashing state according to the
>>>>quick start guide. If the light is OFF it means Port Not Ready, again
>>>>according to the quick start guide . Phone port 2 light is off as not
>>>>configured but see further down.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at SPA112 Adapter configuration it shows:-
>>>>>> System status:
>>>>>> Elapsed time 45 minutes and counting.
>>>>>> SIP messages sent 12 SIP messages received 12 SIP Bytes sent 8031
>>>>>> SIP Bytes received 5363
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Line 1 status:
>>>>>> Hook status ON Registerd Staus REGISTERED Lasr registration at
>>>>>> 2/1/2013 05:04:46 Next Registration in 255s Call 1 state IDLE Call
>>>>>> 1 tone NONE Call 2 state IDLE Call 2 tone NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>And indeed does the hook status change if you lift the phone and
>>>>>refresh the page?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>No, stays showing on hook.
>>>>
>>>>>> Now of course the phone I'm using has a BT plug on it to RJ11 plug
>>>>>> in back of phone, RJ11 pins 3 & 4 to BT plug pins 2 & 5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I have replaced that lead with a RJ11 plug to RJ11 plug pins 3 &
>>>>>> 4 only wired.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There was no lead for the phone in the box of bits delivered with
>>>>>> the SPA112 and I cant find out what pins are used in the RJ11
>>>>>> sockets in the SPA112. I'm guessing that I'll need a lead RJ11
>>>>>> to RJ11 plug bot not wired straight pin to pin. What do you use
>>>>>> for the connection?
>>>>>
>>>>>I use a little adaptor that plugs into the phone socket, with an RJ11
>>>>>socket on its front. I think the RJ11 wiring is the problem....but
>>>>>see above for my questions.
>>>>
>>>>Also configured phone port 2. Same results. No dial tone and on hook
>>>>indications on SPA112 lights and in the configuration utility, Refresh
>>>>makes no difference.
>>>>
>>>>Just routed around in my junk box and found a spare RJ11 to BT plug
>>>>cable that was orininall shipped with the netgear router. Hoping for a
>>>>bit of luck, plugged the RJ11 end into the SPA112 and the BT plug
>>>>into a BT double adapter, socket 1, and the phone with BT lead to RJ11
>>>>(that's the on that works on BT line) into the double adapter socket.
>>>>
>>>>SPA - rj11 - cable[1] - btplug - bt double adapter- btplug - cable[2]
>>>>- RJ11 - phone.
>>>>
>>>>[1] dont know the wiring in this, but 4 wires are presentat RJ11 end
>>>>[2]wired straight pins 3 & 4 only
>>>>
>>>>No luck, just the same results as before for both phone ports.
>>>
>>> RJ11 pin numbering can cause confusion
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack
>>>
>>> The only pins connected in the Sipura ate the *inner pair*, there is
>>> no confusion if you think of it that way.
>>> As those centre pins correspond with 2&5 on the BT plug it is not
>>> straight through, crossover would describe it better.
>>>
>>>
>>> You will find that the cable you are using has the *outer pair* of the
>>> 4 pin RJ11 connected to 2&5 of the BT plug. Most phones come with such
>>> a cable so this is a common problem.
>>>
>>> If you have an old analogue modem the cable that came with it will
>>> almost certainly be what you need.
>>>
>>> Another way to tackle this is to use a spare RJ11 cable that you get
>>> with an ADSL router, and a spare ADSL filter like mine here:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/g3zvt/8...ream/lightbox/
>>>
>>> If all else fails, cut the cable you have in half and connect the
>>> wires up correctly.
>>
>>I made my own cables but couldn't find my record of what I'd done.
>
> My kludge even makes the pin 3 ring availible, should your phone require
> it.

Two old phones did, but I replaced them!

I had 10 lines to do, so I bought 10 RJ11 to RJ11 cables. They plug into
10 sockets which are wired to a Krone box, and thus to the house wiring.
I could easily add ring caps in the Krone box (and I even have some
somewhere), but those phones were cheap, old and tired anyway.

(correct, it was the cables for the old ISDN PBX that I made myself.
That's why I can't find any trace. The relevant "which pins on the RJ11"
secret is contained within the Krone box; I took all four connections
from the back of each of my 10 sockets right into the Krone box, and then
chose the two that worked! They are cross-wired to the house wiring.



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"brightside S9" <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote in message
news:...
> On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:29:44 +0000, Graham. <>
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:53:40 +0000, brightside S9
>><address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1 Feb 2013 13:57:06 GMT, Bob Eager <>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:45:50 +0000, brightside S9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Jan 2013 23:28:30 GMT, Bob Eager <>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I think I've managed to set it up OK. Ive followed the help
>>>>> on SPA112
>>>>> configuration utility.
>>>>>
>>>>> SPA 112- I get System light on solid, Internet light on
>>>>> solid and phone
>>>>> 1 on hook on solid.
>>>>
>>>>Does the on hook light go out when you lift the phone?
>>>
>>>No stays on solid - Should go to flashing state according to
>>>the
>>>quick start guide. If the light is OFF it means Port Not
>>>Ready, again
>>>according to the quick start guide . Phone port 2 light is
>>>off as not
>>>configured but see further down.
>>>>
>>>>> Looking at SPA112 Adapter configuration it shows:-
>>>>> System status:
>>>>> Elapsed time 45 minutes and counting.
>>>>> SIP messages sent 12 SIP messages received 12 SIP Bytes
>>>>> sent 8031 SIP
>>>>> Bytes received 5363
>>>>>
>>>>> Line 1 status:
>>>>> Hook status ON Registerd Staus REGISTERED Lasr registration
>>>>> at 2/1/2013
>>>>> 05:04:46 Next Registration in 255s Call 1 state IDLE Call 1
>>>>> tone NONE
>>>>> Call 2 state IDLE Call 2 tone NONE
>>>>
>>>>And indeed does the hook status change if you lift the phone
>>>>and refresh
>>>>the page?
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, stays showing on hook.
>>>
>>>>> Now of course the phone I'm using has a BT plug on it to
>>>>> RJ11 plug in
>>>>> back of phone, RJ11 pins 3 & 4 to BT plug pins 2 & 5.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I have replaced that lead with a RJ11 plug to RJ11 plug
>>>>> pins 3 & 4
>>>>> only wired.
>>>>
>>>>> There was no lead for the phone in the box of bits
>>>>> delivered with the
>>>>> SPA112 and I cant find out what pins are used in the RJ11
>>>>> sockets in the
>>>>> SPA112. I'm guessing that I'll need a lead RJ11 to RJ11
>>>>> plug bot not
>>>>> wired straight pin to pin. What do you use for the
>>>>> connection?
>>>>
>>>>I use a little adaptor that plugs into the phone socket, with
>>>>an RJ11
>>>>socket on its front. I think the RJ11 wiring is the
>>>>problem....but see
>>>>above for my questions.
>>>
>>>Also configured phone port 2. Same results. No dial tone and
>>>on hook
>>>indications on SPA112 lights and in the configuration utility,
>>>Refresh
>>>makes no difference.
>>>
>>>Just routed around in my junk box and found a spare RJ11 to BT
>>>plug
>>>cable that was orininall shipped with the netgear router.
>>>Hoping for a
>>>bit of luck, plugged the RJ11 end into the SPA112 and the BT
>>>plug
>>>into a BT double adapter, socket 1, and the phone with BT lead
>>>to RJ11
>>>(that's the on that works on BT line) into the double adapter
>>>socket.
>>>
>>>SPA - rj11 - cable[1] - btplug - bt double adapter- btplug -
>>>cable[2]
>>>- RJ11 - phone.
>>>
>>>[1] dont know the wiring in this, but 4 wires are presentat
>>>RJ11 end
>>>[2]wired straight pins 3 & 4 only
>>>
>>>No luck, just the same results as before for both phone ports.
>>
>>RJ11 pin numbering can cause confusion
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack
>>
>>The only pins connected in the Sipura ate the *inner pair*,
>>there is
>>no confusion if you think of it that way.
>
> That' what I needed to know.
>
>>As those centre pins correspond with 2&5 on the BT plug it is
>>not
>>straight through, crossover would describe it better.
>
> Though that doesn't explain why the SIP112 wouldn't indicate
> off hook
> when I used an RJ to RJ cable with inner pair to inner pair
> and the
> cable plugged *directly* from the SPA112 into the phone to
> replace
> the BT to RJ11 cable, that I used when testing the phone in the
> BT
> socket. The BT to RJ11 cable had two wires in the inner pair of
> the
> RJ11 plug that goes into the phone. So I assumed that is what
> the
> phone wanted, and polarity doesn't matter. Though I haven't
> metered
> out that cable so it might just be duff. As simple as that.
> 8-(
>
>>You will find that the cable you are using has the *outer pair*
>>of the
>>4 pin RJ11 connected to 2&5 of the BT plug. Most phones come
>>with such
>>a cable so this is a common problem.
>
> That does explain why my bodge of connecting two cables and a
> BT
> double adapter failed. I metered out the this bodge, end to
> end,
> and the two inner connectors of the RJ11 that plug *directly*
> into the
> phone went to the outer pair in the RJ plug that went into the
> SPA112.
>
>>If you have an old analogue modem the cable that came with it
>>will
>>almost certainly be what you need.
>>
>>Another way to tackle this is to use a spare RJ11 cable that
>>you get
>>with an ADSL router, and a spare ADSL filter like mine here:
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/g3zvt/8...ream/lightbox/
>>
>>If all else fails, cut the cable you have in half and connect
>>the
>>wires up correctly.
>
> I'll go rumaging in my junk box, buried at the back of the
> garage. I
> know there are filters in there but I not sure that there are
> any
> 'router' cables with all 4 or just 2 wires connected RJ11 to
> RJ11
> straight. I do remember bringing home some cables fron a $
> shop in
> Toronto some years ago. I wonder what I did with them?
>
> I've just checked the configuration again. The 2nd line is
> registered
> (I deconfigured the 1st line to keep it simple for now). I
> have given
> the SPA112 a fixed IP address in the router. Sipgate shows the
> device
> status correctly (AFAICT). Now I just need to understand if I
> need
> to do anything about NAT. .
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> --
> brightside S9



No you don't - it is of no consequence.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 23:04:55 -0000, "Woody" <>
wrote:

>"brightside S9" <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:29:44 +0000, Graham. <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:53:40 +0000, brightside S9
>>><address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 1 Feb 2013 13:57:06 GMT, Bob Eager <>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:45:50 +0000, brightside S9 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Jan 2013 23:28:30 GMT, Bob Eager <>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I think I've managed to set it up OK. Ive followed the help
>>>>>> on SPA112
>>>>>> configuration utility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SPA 112- I get System light on solid, Internet light on
>>>>>> solid and phone
>>>>>> 1 on hook on solid.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does the on hook light go out when you lift the phone?
>>>>
>>>>No stays on solid - Should go to flashing state according to
>>>>the
>>>>quick start guide. If the light is OFF it means Port Not
>>>>Ready, again
>>>>according to the quick start guide . Phone port 2 light is
>>>>off as not
>>>>configured but see further down.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at SPA112 Adapter configuration it shows:-
>>>>>> System status:
>>>>>> Elapsed time 45 minutes and counting.
>>>>>> SIP messages sent 12 SIP messages received 12 SIP Bytes
>>>>>> sent 8031 SIP
>>>>>> Bytes received 5363
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Line 1 status:
>>>>>> Hook status ON Registerd Staus REGISTERED Lasr registration
>>>>>> at 2/1/2013
>>>>>> 05:04:46 Next Registration in 255s Call 1 state IDLE Call 1
>>>>>> tone NONE
>>>>>> Call 2 state IDLE Call 2 tone NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>And indeed does the hook status change if you lift the phone
>>>>>and refresh
>>>>>the page?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No, stays showing on hook.
>>>>
>>>>>> Now of course the phone I'm using has a BT plug on it to
>>>>>> RJ11 plug in
>>>>>> back of phone, RJ11 pins 3 & 4 to BT plug pins 2 & 5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I have replaced that lead with a RJ11 plug to RJ11 plug
>>>>>> pins 3 & 4
>>>>>> only wired.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There was no lead for the phone in the box of bits
>>>>>> delivered with the
>>>>>> SPA112 and I cant find out what pins are used in the RJ11
>>>>>> sockets in the
>>>>>> SPA112. I'm guessing that I'll need a lead RJ11 to RJ11
>>>>>> plug bot not
>>>>>> wired straight pin to pin. What do you use for the
>>>>>> connection?
>>>>>
>>>>>I use a little adaptor that plugs into the phone socket, with
>>>>>an RJ11
>>>>>socket on its front. I think the RJ11 wiring is the
>>>>>problem....but see
>>>>>above for my questions.
>>>>
>>>>Also configured phone port 2. Same results. No dial tone and
>>>>on hook
>>>>indications on SPA112 lights and in the configuration utility,
>>>>Refresh
>>>>makes no difference.
>>>>
>>>>Just routed around in my junk box and found a spare RJ11 to BT
>>>>plug
>>>>cable that was orininall shipped with the netgear router.
>>>>Hoping for a
>>>>bit of luck, plugged the RJ11 end into the SPA112 and the BT
>>>>plug
>>>>into a BT double adapter, socket 1, and the phone with BT lead
>>>>to RJ11
>>>>(that's the on that works on BT line) into the double adapter
>>>>socket.
>>>>
>>>>SPA - rj11 - cable[1] - btplug - bt double adapter- btplug -
>>>>cable[2]
>>>>- RJ11 - phone.
>>>>
>>>>[1] dont know the wiring in this, but 4 wires are presentat
>>>>RJ11 end
>>>>[2]wired straight pins 3 & 4 only
>>>>
>>>>No luck, just the same results as before for both phone ports.
>>>
>>>RJ11 pin numbering can cause confusion
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack
>>>
>>>The only pins connected in the Sipura ate the *inner pair*,
>>>there is
>>>no confusion if you think of it that way.
>>
>> That' what I needed to know.
>>
>>>As those centre pins correspond with 2&5 on the BT plug it is
>>>not
>>>straight through, crossover would describe it better.
>>
>> Though that doesn't explain why the SIP112 wouldn't indicate
>> off hook
>> when I used an RJ to RJ cable with inner pair to inner pair
>> and the
>> cable plugged *directly* from the SPA112 into the phone to
>> replace
>> the BT to RJ11 cable, that I used when testing the phone in the
>> BT
>> socket. The BT to RJ11 cable had two wires in the inner pair of
>> the
>> RJ11 plug that goes into the phone. So I assumed that is what
>> the
>> phone wanted, and polarity doesn't matter. Though I haven't
>> metered
>> out that cable so it might just be duff. As simple as that.
>> 8-(
>>
>>>You will find that the cable you are using has the *outer pair*
>>>of the
>>>4 pin RJ11 connected to 2&5 of the BT plug. Most phones come
>>>with such
>>>a cable so this is a common problem.
>>
>> That does explain why my bodge of connecting two cables and a
>> BT
>> double adapter failed. I metered out the this bodge, end to
>> end,
>> and the two inner connectors of the RJ11 that plug *directly*
>> into the
>> phone went to the outer pair in the RJ plug that went into the
>> SPA112.
>>
>>>If you have an old analogue modem the cable that came with it
>>>will
>>>almost certainly be what you need.
>>>
>>>Another way to tackle this is to use a spare RJ11 cable that
>>>you get
>>>with an ADSL router, and a spare ADSL filter like mine here:
>>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/g3zvt/8...ream/lightbox/
>>>
>>>If all else fails, cut the cable you have in half and connect
>>>the
>>>wires up correctly.
>>
>> I'll go rumaging in my junk box, buried at the back of the
>> garage. I
>> know there are filters in there but I not sure that there are
>> any
>> 'router' cables with all 4 or just 2 wires connected RJ11 to
>> RJ11
>> straight. I do remember bringing home some cables fron a $
>> shop in
>> Toronto some years ago. I wonder what I did with them?
>>
>> I've just checked the configuration again. The 2nd line is
>> registered
>> (I deconfigured the 1st line to keep it simple for now). I
>> have given
>> the SPA112 a fixed IP address in the router. Sipgate shows the
>> device
>> status correctly (AFAICT). Now I just need to understand if I
>> need
>> to do anything about NAT. .
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> --
>> brightside S9
>
>
>
>No you don't - it is of no consequence.


Thanks for that Woody, and thanks to Graham for his trick with the
ADSL filter, it works, and thanks to Bob for his assitance.

Dial tone now OK and voice communication calling from a BT line gives
clear enough speech both ways.

Just one new niggle now. The phone on SIP112 only rings twice (USA
style ring, that's OK by me) and then the caller gets the message
that "the person you are calling is not available" This is far too
short a time to get to the phone.

I presume that is something in settings at Sipgate to make this time
to keep ringing longer before deciding 'the person you have called is
not available'. There's nothing in the configuration manual for the
SIP112.

Anyone care to give me a clue?


--
brightside S9

>
>
>Thanks for that Woody, and thanks to Graham for his trick with the
>ADSL filter, it works, and thanks to Bob for his assitance.
>
>Dial tone now OK and voice communication calling from a BT line gives
>clear enough speech both ways.
>
>Just one new niggle now. The phone on SIP112 only rings twice (USA
>style ring, that's OK by me) and then the caller gets the message
>that "the person you are calling is not available" This is far too
>short a time to get to the phone.
>
>I presume that is something in settings at Sipgate to make this time
>to keep ringing longer before deciding 'the person you have called is
>not available'. There's nothing in the configuration manual for the
>SIP112.
>
>Anyone care to give me a clue?

Log onto your Sipgate account abd check the "call forwarding" options
under "settings"

On 02/02/2013 12:43, Graham. wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for that Woody, and thanks to Graham for his trick with the
>> ADSL filter, it works, and thanks to Bob for his assitance.
>>
>> Dial tone now OK and voice communication calling from a BT line gives
>> clear enough speech both ways.
>>
>> Just one new niggle now. The phone on SIP112 only rings twice (USA
>> style ring, that's OK by me) and then the caller gets the message
>> that "the person you are calling is not available" This is far too
>> short a time to get to the phone.
>>
>> I presume that is something in settings at Sipgate to make this time
>> to keep ringing longer before deciding 'the person you have called is
>> not available'. There's nothing in the configuration manual for the
>> SIP112.
>>
>> Anyone care to give me a clue?
>
> Log onto your Sipgate account abd check the "call forwarding" options
> under "settings"
>

Are you sure it is at the Sipgate end. It wasn't clear from the PP if
the VOIP call connected ok when he picked up quickly. If not I would
suspect a problem with SIP protocol handshaking.