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In article <part1of1.1.C$Ehkj#>, Tony says...
> I have to say I have seen Canon printers with burnt out printheads but for
> every one I have seen, I have seen 20 Epson printers with clogs that were
> difficult and often impossible to clear.
> If Roger knew anything about printers he would understand why Epson printers
> clog. Piezo electric printheads produce terrific results but are prone to clogs
> and Epson printers use much more ink in cleaning than Canon pronters do.
> Tony
>


Can only agree. Epson printers that aren't worked several days a week
seem to clog, which is why I will NOT consider buying another inkjet
from them. We're burning through a fair frew reams of paper here, but
sometimes the thing sits for a fortnight and that can be enough for an
Epson to give trouble.

I am very happy with Canon. Not only is the print quality good, the
install, drivers, and software-related downtime is miles ahead of HP,
who seem to hire people like Roger to write their drivers. And I'm a
long time HP user....
I left HP behind when they refused to fix a printer that was barely out
of warranty "no parts!" and I was amazed at the ease of getting a
networked canon to work, hooked up to the router. The hp software
regularly needed a grease and oil-change at our system as well as on the
neighbour's -- the canon has worked flawlessly for 2-3 years now never
missing a beat.

-P.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:29:04 +1300, Peter Huebner <>
wrote:

>In article <part1of1.1.C$Ehkj#>, Tony says...
>> I have to say I have seen Canon printers with burnt out printheads but for
>> every one I have seen, I have seen 20 Epson printers with clogs that were
>> difficult and often impossible to clear.
>> If Roger knew anything about printers he would understand why Epson printers
>> clog. Piezo electric printheads produce terrific results but are prone to clogs
>> and Epson printers use much more ink in cleaning than Canon pronters do.
>> Tony
>>
>
>
>Can only agree. Epson printers that aren't worked several days a week
>seem to clog, which is why I will NOT consider buying another inkjet
>from them. We're burning through a fair frew reams of paper here, but
>sometimes the thing sits for a fortnight and that can be enough for an
>Epson to give trouble.
>
>I am very happy with Canon. Not only is the print quality good, the
>install, drivers, and software-related downtime is miles ahead of HP,
>who seem to hire people like Roger to write their drivers. And I'm a
>long time HP user....
>I left HP behind when they refused to fix a printer that was barely out
>of warranty "no parts!" and I was amazed at the ease of getting a
>networked canon to work, hooked up to the router. The hp software
>regularly needed a grease and oil-change at our system as well as on the
>neighbour's -- the canon has worked flawlessly for 2-3 years now never
>missing a beat.
>
>-P.


100% Agree HP is totally crap.

>"Peter Huebner" wrote in message
>news: et...
>Can only agree. Epson printers that aren't worked several days a week
>seem to clog, which is why I will NOT consider buying another inkjet
>from them. We're burning through a fair frew reams of paper here, but
>sometimes the thing sits for a fortnight and that can be enough for an
>Epson to give trouble.

Which is why my Epson Stylus CX5900 is heading to the wheelie bin. In
regard to Epson, there's clearly some madness to their method in making the
print head so inaccessible, because it gets clogged all the time. I can't
be bothered with such a poorly designed mechanism. A Canon sounds good.
My workmate has a Canon printer which has lasted him many years.

Tony.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:09:40 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

>"Fierce Guppy" <> wrote:
>>>"Peter Huebner" wrote in message
>>>news: .net...
>>>Can only agree. Epson printers that aren't worked several days a week
>>>seem to clog, which is why I will NOT consider buying another inkjet
>>>from them. We're burning through a fair frew reams of paper here, but
>>>sometimes the thing sits for a fortnight and that can be enough for an
>>>Epson to give trouble.
>>
>>Which is why my Epson Stylus CX5900 is heading to the wheelie bin. In
>>regard to Epson, there's clearly some madness to their method in making the
>>print head so inaccessible, because it gets clogged all the time. I can't
>>be bothered with such a poorly designed mechanism. A Canon sounds good.
>>My workmate has a Canon printer which has lasted him many years.
>>
>>Tony.
>
>Unfortunately you are right. The Epson printhead design produces excellent
>results but unless you print regularly it will clog and can be a challenge to
>clean without removal which as you point out is a complex operation.
>There used to be a regular poster here (Arthur Entlich) who produced some
>excellent advice on cleaning Epson printheads. Canon printheads can burn out
>but it is not a common occurence, at least they are simple to replace which can
>be cost effective with their more expensive models.
>Tony


You can clean a Epson print head in a few min's with a solvent pad
placed under the head at the parking station

How is it that I just got a R390, R360 is the US/UK model had been in
storage for 2 years, it had a faulty cartridge replaced that and it was
printing from its Original installed Ink cartridges, 82N are a low fill
one sold in the new printers.

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:31:58 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:

>Frank Williams <> wrote:
>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:09:40 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
>>dot nz> wrote:
>>
>>>"Fierce Guppy" <> wrote:
>>>>>"Peter Huebner" wrote in message
>>>>>news: al.net...
>>>>>Can only agree. Epson printers that aren't worked several days a week
>>>>>seem to clog, which is why I will NOT consider buying another inkjet
>>>>>from them. We're burning through a fair frew reams of paper here, but
>>>>>sometimes the thing sits for a fortnight and that can be enough for an
>>>>>Epson to give trouble.
>>>>
>>>>Which is why my Epson Stylus CX5900 is heading to the wheelie bin. In
>>>>regard to Epson, there's clearly some madness to their method in making the
>>>>print head so inaccessible, because it gets clogged all the time. I can't
>>>>be bothered with such a poorly designed mechanism. A Canon sounds good.
>>>>My workmate has a Canon printer which has lasted him many years.
>>>>
>>>>Tony.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately you are right. The Epson printhead design produces excellent
>>>results but unless you print regularly it will clog and can be a challenge to
>>>clean without removal which as you point out is a complex operation.
>>>There used to be a regular poster here (Arthur Entlich) who produced some
>>>excellent advice on cleaning Epson printheads. Canon printheads can burn out
>>>but it is not a common occurence, at least they are simple to replace which
>>>can
>>>be cost effective with their more expensive models.
>>>Tony
>>
>>
>>You can clean a Epson print head in a few min's with a solvent pad
>>placed under the head at the parking station
>>
>>How is it that I just got a R390, R360 is the US/UK model had been in
>>storage for 2 years, it had a faulty cartridge replaced that and it was
>>printing from its Original installed Ink cartridges, 82N are a low fill
>>one sold in the new printers.
>
>Maybe you are a very lucky person, you found the only Epson printer ever made
>that allows easy cleaning of printheads.
>Or maybe you are simply delusioned; come to think of it, based on your past
>record of rudeness and terrible advice that sounds most likely the reason you
>have posted this nonsense here.
>
>Tony


No Facts I have had 4 Epsons the heads are easy to clean on all of them,
you just dont have a clue.

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:00:50 +1300, "geoff" <>
wrote:

>
>"Frank Williams" <> wrote in message
>
>>
>> No Facts I have had 4 Epsons ....
>
>They must be really reliable !
>
>geoff
>


No its me that's reliable, I know how to drive them, being a Eng I
prefer the Technology in the Epsom Print Heads, my first Printer was a
HP with the print head in the Cartridge, and that gummed up all the
time.

I only use the Epson for Photo prints, Cards and CD/DVD's

But This Brother is my main printer .HL 2040

I have a $2nz brother that I picked up at a Tip recycle center, it was
just low of Toner, all you need to do is to reset a lever and bock up
the sensing holes, then some months back got a new Toner for $10
at a Oc shop.

Plus reset some counters.

To me its totally Stupid to use a Ink jet for BW printing.

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:30:23 +1300, Frank Williams wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:00:50 +1300, "geoff" <>
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Frank Williams" <> wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> No Facts I have had 4 Epsons ....
>>
>>They must be really reliable !
>>
>>geoff
>>
>>
>
> No its me that's reliable, I know how to drive them, being a Eng I
> prefer the Technology in the Epsom Print Heads, my first Printer was a
> HP with the print head in the Cartridge, and that gummed up all the
> time.
>
> I only use the Epson for Photo prints, Cards and CD/DVD's
>
> But This Brother is my main printer .HL 2040
>
> I have a $2nz brother that I picked up at a Tip recycle center, it was
> just low of Toner, all you need to do is to reset a lever and bock up
> the sensing holes, then some months back got a new Toner for $10 at a Oc
> shop.
>
> Plus reset some counters.
>
> To me its totally Stupid to use a Ink jet for BW printing.

But As He Said You Have Had Four Of Them So They Can't Be That Reliable.

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"Frank Williams" wrote in message news:...

> ...
> To me its totally Stupid to use a Ink jet for BW printing.

Even in a situation where you have space for just one printer? Or, in your opinion, is it totally Stupid to be in such a situation?

Matti P.

Frank Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:00:50 +1300, "geoff" <>
> wrote:
>
>> "Frank Williams" <> wrote in message

>
> But This Brother is my main printer .HL 2040
>
> I have a $2nz brother that I picked up at a Tip recycle center, it was
> just low of Toner, all you need to do is to reset a lever and bock up
> the sensing holes, then some months back got a new Toner for $10
> at a Oc shop.
>
> Plus reset some counters.
>
> To me its totally Stupid to use a Ink jet for BW printing.

Frank,
I use a HP 2000C for my color printing for many of the reasons that have
been cited here, and a Brother 2040 for my black and white.

I changed a cartridge on my 2040 not too long ago and it didn't take
long for the Brother to start reporting "Out of Toner". I learned,
later, that you're supposed to keep it powered up when you change the
toner cartridge.

Can you tell me (and the rest of the world) how to reset the lever and
block up the sensing holes? Or maybe a link to an internet source for
the process? I've looked and not found one, but have seen hints that
it's do-able.

Rich
(In Michigan, USA)

On 30 Dec 2012 10:35:31 GMT, Bob Eager <> wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:30:23 +1300, Frank Williams wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:00:50 +1300, "geoff" <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Frank Williams" <> wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>> No Facts I have had 4 Epsons ....
>>>
>>>They must be really reliable !
>>>
>>>geoff
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No its me that's reliable, I know how to drive them, being a Eng I
>> prefer the Technology in the Epsom Print Heads, my first Printer was a
>> HP with the print head in the Cartridge, and that gummed up all the
>> time.
>>
>> I only use the Epson for Photo prints, Cards and CD/DVD's
>>
>> But This Brother is my main printer .HL 2040
>>
>> I have a $2nz brother that I picked up at a Tip recycle center, it was
>> just low of Toner, all you need to do is to reset a lever and bock up
>> the sensing holes, then some months back got a new Toner for $10 at a Oc
>> shop.
>>
>> Plus reset some counters.
>>
>> To me its totally Stupid to use a Ink jet for BW printing.
>
>But As He Said You Have Had Four Of Them So They Can't Be That Reliable.


HAVE HAD due to upgrades its that simple plus when there is a bargain
around like my present one for $20