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On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
<snip>



> I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
> cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
> flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
> and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg
> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg
>

Aquaduct is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife
really enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL.
However, they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially
with a large lens.)

> But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
> a bet when at the dog track photographing.

I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
wouldn't even go near a dog track.

>
> Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
> bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
> camera.
>
> My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
> find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
> itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
> have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
> during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
> April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.
>

That is fun to watch.

> I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
> selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
> anchovies...something to be tried once.

Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors one
by one, in ACR.
I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used with
care.

Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg>






--
PeterN

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:32:22 -0800, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

>On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter <> said:
>
>> On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
>>> cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
>>> flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
>>> and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg
>http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg
>
>
>Aquaduct
>>>
>> is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
>> enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
>> they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
>> large lens.)
>>
>>> But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
>>> a bet when at the dog track photographing.
>>
>> I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
>> wouldn't even go near a dog track.
>>
>>>
>>> Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
>>> bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
>>> camera.
>>>
>>> My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
>>> find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
>>> itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
>>> have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
>>> during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
>>> April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.
>>>
>>
>> That is fun to watch.
>>
>>> I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
>>> selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
>>> anchovies...something to be tried once.
>>
>> Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
>> In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
>> one by one, in ACR.
>> I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
>> effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
>> with care.
>>
>> Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
>> November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
>> result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.
>>
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg>
>
>That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the
>noise introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or
>indiscriminate high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than
>any background could have been.
>Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
>ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
>abstract treatment.

Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting
renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it.


--
Tony Cooper, Orlando FL

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:53:27 -0800, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

>On 2012-12-29 11:44:03 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
>
><< Le Snip >>
>
>>> Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting
>>> renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it.
>>
>> Interesting rendition, yes.
>> Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get
>> from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have
>> produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese
>> print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be
>> spoiling damaging to the image of bird.
>>
>> A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture
>> overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise
>> introduction.
>> Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be
>> perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any
>> other PP technique is not.
>>
>> ...and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the next guy.
>
>Not peter's capture, but a progression through one of my noodlings.
>This result is not normally what I work towards, but here you can see
>what I was thinking of when I spoke of using paper texture overlays to
>get that "Japanese print" effect.
>
>Again, it is all in the eye of the viewer.
>< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...eron-comp2.jpg >

I did not say, or mean to imply, that Peter was going for the Japanese
print effect. I'm just saying that I like it as-is.

It's just another instance of one person liking something that another
person feels is not the optimal result.

I'm not a person who generally appreciates excessively manipulated
photos no matter what the technique employed. I'm not saying it's
wrong to do so; only that it's not the type of thing that I
appreciate.

Of what Peter has submitted previously in the area of abstracts or
manipulated photos, this one comes closest to striking a chord with
me.


--
Tony Cooper, Orlando FL

On 12/29/2012 10:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter <> said:
>
>> On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
>>> cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
>>> flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
>>> and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg
>>>
> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg
>
>
>
> Aquaduct
>>>
>> is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
>> enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
>> they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
>> large lens.)
>>
>>> But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
>>> a bet when at the dog track photographing.
>>
>> I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
>> wouldn't even go near a dog track.
>>
>>>
>>> Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
>>> bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
>>> camera.
>>>
>>> My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
>>> find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
>>> itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
>>> have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
>>> during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
>>> April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.
>>>
>>
>> That is fun to watch.
>>
>>> I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
>>> selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
>>> anchovies...something to be tried once.
>>
>> Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
>> In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
>> one by one, in ACR.
>> I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
>> effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
>> with care.
>>
>> Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
>> November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
>> result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.
>>
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg>
>
> That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise
> introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate
> high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background
> could have been.
> Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
> ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
> abstract treatment.

I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens
when you carry it to an extreme.

This one did well in the creative category.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret>




--
PeterN

On 12/29/2012 5:26 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:53:27 -0800, Savageduck
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-12-29 11:44:03 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
>>
>> << Le Snip >>
>>
>>>> Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting
>>>> renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it.
>>>
>>> Interesting rendition, yes.
>>> Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get
>>> from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have
>>> produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese
>>> print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be
>>> spoiling damaging to the image of bird.
>>>
>>> A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture
>>> overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise
>>> introduction.
>>> Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be
>>> perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any
>>> other PP technique is not.
>>>
>>> ...and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the next guy.
>>
>> Not peter's capture, but a progression through one of my noodlings.
>> This result is not normally what I work towards, but here you can see
>> what I was thinking of when I spoke of using paper texture overlays to
>> get that "Japanese print" effect.
>>
>> Again, it is all in the eye of the viewer.
>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...eron-comp2.jpg >
>
> I did not say, or mean to imply, that Peter was going for the Japanese
> print effect. I'm just saying that I like it as-is.
>
> It's just another instance of one person liking something that another
> person feels is not the optimal result.
>
> I'm not a person who generally appreciates excessively manipulated
> photos no matter what the technique employed. I'm not saying it's
> wrong to do so; only that it's not the type of thing that I
> appreciate.
>
> Of what Peter has submitted previously in the area of abstracts or
> manipulated photos, this one comes closest to striking a chord with
> me.

Fair comment.
I do appreciate input. I consistently state that not everybody has the
same taste. It would be a dull world if all of us liked the exactly the
same things. Can you imagine Howard Johnson's lack of success, if he
only sold vanilla. Where would Ben & Jerry be without Cherry Garcia?




--
PeterN

On 12/29/2012 9:43 PM, Peter wrote:
> On 12/29/2012 5:26 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:53:27 -0800, Savageduck
>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2012-12-29 11:44:03 -0800, Savageduck
>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
>>>
>>> << Le Snip >>
>>>
>>>>> Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting
>>>>> renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting rendition, yes.
>>>> Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get
>>>> from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have
>>>> produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese
>>>> print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be
>>>> spoiling damaging to the image of bird.
>>>>
>>>> A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture
>>>> overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise
>>>> introduction.
>>>> Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be
>>>> perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any
>>>> other PP technique is not.
>>>>
>>>> ...and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the
>>>> next guy.
>>>
>>> Not peter's capture, but a progression through one of my noodlings.
>>> This result is not normally what I work towards, but here you can see
>>> what I was thinking of when I spoke of using paper texture overlays to
>>> get that "Japanese print" effect.
>>>
>>> Again, it is all in the eye of the viewer.
>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...eron-comp2.jpg >
>>
>> I did not say, or mean to imply, that Peter was going for the Japanese
>> print effect. I'm just saying that I like it as-is.
>>
>> It's just another instance of one person liking something that another
>> person feels is not the optimal result.
>>
>> I'm not a person who generally appreciates excessively manipulated
>> photos no matter what the technique employed. I'm not saying it's
>> wrong to do so; only that it's not the type of thing that I
>> appreciate.
>>
>> Of what Peter has submitted previously in the area of abstracts or
>> manipulated photos, this one comes closest to striking a chord with
>> me.
>
> Fair comment.
> I do appreciate input. I consistently state that not everybody has the
> same taste. It would be a dull world if all of us liked the exactly the
> same things. Can you imagine Howard Johnson's lack of success, if he
> only sold vanilla. Where would Ben & Jerry be without Cherry Garcia?
>
>
OK!
Here's the background layer for you guys to play with. I am in FL and do
not have access to the original RAW file. It would be nice to see
different interpretations.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/f9jske5y9nzhxw3/dancing%20heron%20basic.jpg>


--
PeterN

On 12/29/2012 9:37 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2012-12-29 18:33:27 -0800, Peter <> said:
>
>> On 12/29/2012 10:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter <> said:
>>>
>>>> On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
>>>>> cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
>>>>> flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
>>>>> and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
>>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg
>>>>>
>
> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg
>
>
>
>
> Aquaduct
>
> is
>>>>>
>>>> a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
>>>> enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
>>>> they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
>>>> large lens.)
>>>>
>>>>> But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
>>>>> a bet when at the dog track photographing.
>>>>
>>>> I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
>>>> wouldn't even go near a dog track.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
>>>>> bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
>>>>> camera.
>>>>>
>>>>> My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
>>>>> find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
>>>>> itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
>>>>> have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
>>>>> during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
>>>>> April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is fun to watch.
>>>>
>>>>> I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
>>>>> selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
>>>>> anchovies...something to be tried once.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
>>>> In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
>>>> one by one, in ACR.
>>>> I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
>>>> effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
>>>> with care.
>>>>
>>>> Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
>>>> November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
>>>> result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg>
>>>
>>> That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise
>>> introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate
>>> high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background
>>> could have been.
>>> Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
>>> ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
>>> abstract treatment.
>>
>> I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens
>> when you carry it to an extreme.
>>
>> This one did well in the creative category.
>>
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret>
>
> Now that I like!
>
> BTW: There is no jpeg extension on that file. It was simple enough to
> add it but it initially appears to be a file of no "type".
>
>

thanks,
I just changed the name on the site. It that better?


--
PeterN

On 30-Dec-12 00:11, Savagedick wrote:
> On 2012-12-29 19:06:59 -0800, Peter <> said:
>
>> On 12/29/2012 9:37 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> On 2012-12-29 18:33:27 -0800, Peter <> said:
> << Le Snip >>
>
>>>> I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens
>>>> when you carry it to an extreme.
>>>>
>>>> This one did well in the creative category.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret>
>>>
>>> Now that I like!
>>>
>>> BTW: There is no jpeg extension on that file. It was simple enough to
>>> add it but it initially appears to be a file of no "type".
>>>
>>>
>>
>> thanks,
>> I just changed the name on the site. It that better?
>
> Not quite. Now you don't have a constant link, so the old URL leads to
> nothing.

Like all your posts.

On 30-Dec-12 00:25, Savagedick wrote:
> BTW: I got rid of the leaves on the right using content aware fill.

Too bad we can't get rid of Mexicans that way. Dump 'em right back in
the Yucatan.

On 12/29/2012 11:09 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 22:06:59 -0500, Peter <>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/29/2012 9:37 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> On 2012-12-29 18:33:27 -0800, Peter <> said:
>>>
>>>> On 12/29/2012 10:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>> On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter <> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
>>>>>>> cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
>>>>>>> flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
>>>>>>> and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
>>>>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aquaduct
>>>
>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
>>>>>> enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
>>>>>> they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
>>>>>> large lens.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
>>>>>>> a bet when at the dog track photographing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
>>>>>> wouldn't even go near a dog track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
>>>>>>> bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
>>>>>>> camera.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
>>>>>>> find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
>>>>>>> itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
>>>>>>> have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
>>>>>>> during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
>>>>>>> April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is fun to watch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
>>>>>>> selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
>>>>>>> anchovies...something to be tried once.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
>>>>>> In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
>>>>>> one by one, in ACR.
>>>>>> I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
>>>>>> effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
>>>>>> with care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
>>>>>> November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
>>>>>> result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg>
>>>>>
>>>>> That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise
>>>>> introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate
>>>>> high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background
>>>>> could have been.
>>>>> Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
>>>>> ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
>>>>> abstract treatment.
>>>>
>>>> I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens
>>>> when you carry it to an extreme.
>>>>
>>>> This one did well in the creative category.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret>
>>>
>>> Now that I like!
>>>
>>> BTW: There is no jpeg extension on that file. It was simple enough to
>>> add it but it initially appears to be a file of no "type".
>>>
>>>
>>
>> thanks,
>> I just changed the name on the site. It that better?
>
> Still 'nothing here'.
>

How about now?
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/ckhnsowd3rm4wkr/screaming%20cattle%20egret.jpg>


--
PeterN