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Tim Golden
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      11-02-2012
On 02/11/2012 18:51, Jason Benjamin wrote:
> On another note, it appears that Google (the only archive I can find for
> this group) only has a little under 400 messages archived for this
> group


http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/


http://markmail.org/search/?q=python...1+state:facets

and doubtless others.

TJG

 
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Jason Benjamin
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      11-02-2012
Yeah, now that I take a look at the said old post on this group, I can
see why the post was ignored:

http://markmail.org/thread/mnxpzt4jzx3zjeio

On 11/02/2012 01:05 PM, Tim Golden wrote:
> On 02/11/2012 18:51, Jason Benjamin wrote:
>> On another note, it appears that Google (the only archive I can find for
>> this group) only has a little under 400 messages archived for this
>> group

>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/
>
>
> http://markmail.org/search/?q=python...1+state:facets
>
>
> and doubtless others.
>
> TJG
>


 
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Steven D'Aprano
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      11-02-2012
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 04:20:20 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:

> Anybody know of the appropriate place to troll and flame about various
> Python related issues? I'm kind of mad about some Python stuff and I
> need a place to vent where people may or may not listen, but at at least
> respond. Thought this would be a strange question, but I might as well
> start somewhere.


Thank you for your honesty, but trolling is not welcome.

However if you have actual issues about Python, either pro or con, and
hope to have a serious, respectful dialog where both parties listen to
each other, feel free to raise them here. Keep in mind three things:

- We've probably heard all your arguments a thousand times before. It's
unlikely that you are either the first or the last person to notice
that (e.g.) Python has significant indentation. So expect a certain
amount of brusqueness.

- If your argument boils down to "Python isn't <insert language here>"
we will not be sympathetic, and will probably sneer or laugh at you
privately. And possibly publicly too.

- If you hope to convince the Python community to change <feature X>,
we are constrained by backwards-compatibility issues, policies, and
design decisions. Frequently there are (mis-)features that we simply
have to live with, for good or ill.


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Steven D'Aprano
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      11-02-2012
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:51:29 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:

> On another note, it appears that Google (the only archive I can find for
> this group) only has a little under 400 messages archived for this
> group,


Google Groups is poison. If you post with it, you will be ignored by a
large percentage of the regulars here.

Good options are:

- Use the official email mailing list instead of news:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Do yourself (and us) a HUGE favour and use regular mail, not daily
digests.

- If you prefer Usenet, and your ISP gives you access to comp.lang.python,
use that.

- If not, there are many cheap Usenet providers you can try.

- Try http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general


Bad options are:

- Absolutely anything to do with Google Groups. It's a crap user-
interface, posts don't follow established standards for email and news,
and Google requires you to sign in just to read the archives, which in
my opinion is morally indefensible.



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Steven D'Aprano
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      11-02-2012
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:48:27 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:

> Yeah, now that I take a look at the said old post on this group, I can
> see why the post was ignored:
>
> http://markmail.org/thread/mnxpzt4jzx3zjeio


Good lord man, that was FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO. Have you been holding
a grudge for all that time? Maybe nobody knew the answer. I certainly
don't.

The question was:

[quote]
I have some PNGs with transparent backgrounds. How do I draw them
using PyGTK?
[end quote]


It is perfectly appropriate to wait three or four days, then reply with a
comment requesting attention. You probably would have got some answers,
even if they were only "take it to a specialist PyGTK mailing list".


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Aahz
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      11-04-2012
In article <509441cb$0$29967$c3e8da3$(E-Mail Removed) om>,
Steven D'Aprano <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 04:20:20 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:
>>
>> Anybody know of the appropriate place to troll and flame about various
>> Python related issues? I'm kind of mad about some Python stuff and I
>> need a place to vent where people may or may not listen, but at at least
>> respond. Thought this would be a strange question, but I might as well
>> start somewhere.

>
>Thank you for your honesty, but trolling is not welcome.
>
>However if you have actual issues about Python, either pro or con, and
>hope to have a serious, respectful dialog where both parties listen to
>each other, feel free to raise them here. Keep in mind three things:
>
>- We've probably heard all your arguments a thousand times before. It's
> unlikely that you are either the first or the last person to notice
> that (e.g.) Python has significant indentation. So expect a certain
> amount of brusqueness.
>
>- If your argument boils down to "Python isn't <insert language here>"
> we will not be sympathetic, and will probably sneer or laugh at you
> privately. And possibly publicly too.
>
>- If you hope to convince the Python community to change <feature X>,
> we are constrained by backwards-compatibility issues, policies, and
> design decisions. Frequently there are (mis-)features that we simply
> have to live with, for good or ill.


You forgot the fourth point.
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Steven D'Aprano
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      11-04-2012
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:19:19 -0700, Aahz wrote:

> In article <509441cb$0$29967$c3e8da3$(E-Mail Removed) om>, Steven
> D'Aprano <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 04:20:20 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody know of the appropriate place to troll and flame about various
>>> Python related issues? I'm kind of mad about some Python stuff and I
>>> need a place to vent where people may or may not listen, but at at
>>> least respond. Thought this would be a strange question, but I might
>>> as well start somewhere.

>>
>>Thank you for your honesty, but trolling is not welcome.
>>
>>However if you have actual issues about Python, either pro or con, and
>>hope to have a serious, respectful dialog where both parties listen to
>>each other, feel free to raise them here. Keep in mind three things:


[snip three things]

> You forgot the fourth point.


Apparently so did you


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Roy Smith
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      11-04-2012
In article <5096202c$0$29967$c3e8da3$(E-Mail Removed) om>,
Steven D'Aprano <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:19:19 -0700, Aahz wrote:
>
> > In article <509441cb$0$29967$c3e8da3$(E-Mail Removed) om>, Steven
> > D'Aprano <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 04:20:20 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Anybody know of the appropriate place to troll and flame about various
> >>> Python related issues? I'm kind of mad about some Python stuff and I
> >>> need a place to vent where people may or may not listen, but at at
> >>> least respond. Thought this would be a strange question, but I might
> >>> as well start somewhere.
> >>
> >>Thank you for your honesty, but trolling is not welcome.
> >>
> >>However if you have actual issues about Python, either pro or con, and
> >>hope to have a serious, respectful dialog where both parties listen to
> >>each other, feel free to raise them here. Keep in mind three things:

>
> [snip three things]
>
> > You forgot the fourth point.

>
> Apparently so did you


"Amongst the points are such diverse elements as..."
 
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      11-05-2012
On 11/02/2012 04:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:51:29 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:
>
>> On another note, it appears that Google (the only archive I can find for
>> this group) only has a little under 400 messages archived for this
>> group,

>
> Google Groups is poison. If you post with it, you will be ignored by a
> large percentage of the regulars here.
>[...]
> Bad options are:
>
> - Absolutely anything to do with Google Groups. It's a crap user-
> interface, posts don't follow established standards for email and news,
> and Google requires you to sign in just to read the archives, which in
> my opinion is morally indefensible.


Jason,

You should also be aware that there are a number of
people here such as myself that use Google Groups for
various reasons and there is concurrently some discussion
of this in other threads including the correction of
just plain erroneous info about GG that has been
propagated here.

AFAIK, there is no real definition of "regular" nor
any count of how many of them (whoever "them" is) that
ignore GG. Pretty obviously "crap user interface" is
in the eye of the beholder and the login requirement
is a personal issue.
 
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