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On 25/09/12 21:33, Gib Bogle wrote:
> On 25/09/2012 7:34 p.m., Allistar wrote:
>
>> Since when is donating money to someone equivalent to bribing them?
>>
>
> When the someone is a politician - since time immemorial.
>
What Allistar really means is "Since when is bribing someone equivalent
to donating money to them?". The answer is: since Adam was a lad.

Cheers,

Cliff

On 26/09/12 08:57, Gib Bogle wrote:
> On 26/09/2012 8:53 a.m., Allistar wrote:
>> Gib Bogle wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/09/2012 7:34 p.m., Allistar wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since when is donating money to someone equivalent to bribing them?
>>>>
>>>
>>> When the someone is a politician - since time immemorial.
>>
>> Odd indeed. Donating money to people is not bribing them.
>>
>
> Not to people in general, but large amounts given to politicians are
> often (usually?) effectively bribes.
>
If you donate to the Red Cross or the Sallies you get to feel good about
yourself. When you 'donate' to a political cause you expect something in
return. Hence the first is not a bribe while the second is a bribe.

Cheers,

Cliff

On 2012-09-25, Allistar <> wrote:
> Gib Bogle wrote:
>
>> On 26/09/2012 8:53 a.m., Allistar wrote:
>>> Gib Bogle wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25/09/2012 7:34 p.m., Allistar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Since when is donating money to someone equivalent to bribing them?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When the someone is a politician - since time immemorial.
>>>
>>> Odd indeed. Donating money to people is not bribing them.
>>>
>>
>> Not to people in general, but large amounts given to politicians are
>> often (usually?) effectively bribes.
>
> Often? Usually? Effectively?
>
> They are weasel words.
>
> Giving money to people is in and of itself not a form of bribery.

So killing someone is always murder? Intent comes into it. If one denotes to
a charity, there is no expectation that they will make you better off
finanically, or in power. However giving lots of money to a politican in power
has the expectation that you will get a return on your investment.