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Re: What color laser printer is easily & cheaply refilled at homefrom non OEM toner?

 
 
J.G.
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      08-20-2012
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:39:04 -0700, Oren wrote:

>>What is this "HP drop dead date" thing ?

> "...All Hewlett Packard ink cartridges have microchips installed that
> tell the printer when the cartridge expires.


In addition to what Oren and Percival said, here's what HP says (verbatim):
"What is ink expiration?
Basically ink expiration is a built-in date on which certain
HP ink cartridges will stop working."

See:
What is ink expiration and will it make my HP ink supplies stop working?
http://tinyurl.com/cz6jp9g
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...name=c01764161

See also:
HP’s expiring ink cartridges EXPOSED
http://advantage77.com/blog/2012/01/...idges-exposed/

Which says (verbatim):
"Some cartridges cease to function 12 months after the “Warranty Ends” date,
or 18 months after the ink cartridge is installed, whichever comes first."

See also this USENET thread by Orak Listalavostok on 7/7/2004:
HP OfficeJet 145 Black/color ink old. 8 days to expire. Printing will stop.

And, this canonical HP printer ink expiry date thread:
Various HP printer ink expiration dates analyzed
which was posted on comp.sys.hp.hardware on Sep 17, 2004.

Note: I don't know how to quote NNTP posts so someone can help me here,
especially since the HP ink respiry research in those two threads is
nothing short of phenomenal!

 
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J.G.
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      08-20-2012
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:55:34 +0000, J.G. wrote:

> What is ink expiration and will it make my HP ink supplies stop working?
> http://tinyurl.com/cz6jp9g
> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?

lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=c01764161

Here's what makes it all so confusing.

This is what HP says (verbatim) at that site above:

What is the ink expiration date?
It's important to note that the ink expiration date is NOT the date
stamped or printed on the ink supply.

Rather, the printed date on all HP inkjet supplies is the “Warranty ends”
date.

To determine the ink expiration date on a particular supply, the consumer
needs to consider three factors: the ink supply, its warranty date, and
the date on which the cartridge is initially installed.
 
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      08-20-2012
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:55:34 +0000, J.G. wrote:

> What is ink expiration and will it make my HP ink supplies stop working?
> http://tinyurl.com/cz6jp9g


According to that official HP web site ...

This is the list of printers whose chipped ink will expire even if it is
full and has never been opened! (which is what happened to me!):

These won't take expired ink even if its full & unopened:
HP Officejet Pro K850
HP digital Copier Printer 610
HP Business Inkjet - all
HP Officejet D series,
HP Officejet 7100 series,
HP Officejet 9100 series
HP Professional series (2000 and 2500)
HP Color Inkjet cp1160 and cp1700

This is the list of printers where heroics can overried the expiry date:
HP Officejet Pro 8000, 8500, K550, K5300, K5400, K8600, L7400, L7500,
L7600, and L7700 Series
HP Photosmart 3110, 3210, 3310, 8250, C5180, C6180, C6200, C7180, C7200,
C8100, D6160, D7160, D7200, D7360, and D7400 series, HP Photosmart Pro
B8800, B9180
HP Designjet 510, 4000, 4500, 4X20, 5100, 5500, 8000, 9000, 10000,
L25500, L26500, L28500, L65500, LX600, LX800, LX820, LX850, T610, T620,
T770, T790, T1100, T1120, T1200, T1300, T2300 eMFP, T7100, Z2100, Z3100,
Z3200, Z5200ps, Z6100, Z6200 series, HP CM8050 and CM8060
 
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J.G.
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      08-20-2012
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:55:34 +0000, J.G. wrote:

> What is ink expiration and will it make my HP ink supplies stop working?
> http://tinyurl.com/cz6jp9g


According to that official HP web site:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...name=c01764161

For these printers:
Color Inkjet cp1160 series,
Officejet d125xi
Officejet d135
Officejet d145
Officejet d155xi
Officejet 7110
Officejet 7130,
Officejet 7140xi
HP Fax 610

The drop-dead expiry date for the chipped ink is as follows:

12 months after the “Warranty Ends” date, or 18 months after the ink cartridge is installed, whichever comes first.

There is no known way around this particular drop-dead date!

Note: There are 'other' printers where you 'can' get around the drop-dead date ... hence the confusion out there.
 
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Martin Brown
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      08-21-2012
On 20/08/2012 20:55, J.G. wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:39:04 -0700, Oren wrote:
>
>>> What is this "HP drop dead date" thing ?

>> "...All Hewlett Packard ink cartridges have microchips installed that
>> tell the printer when the cartridge expires.

>
> In addition to what Oren and Percival said, here's what HP says (verbatim):
> "What is ink expiration?
> Basically ink expiration is a built-in date on which certain
> HP ink cartridges will stop working."


Dell 1320cn isn't bad for almost photoreal laser printing (good enough
for small leaflet if you choose the paper to match the lustre of the
toner). And there are reengineered third party toner cartridges on sale
for about £40 a set (or two sets of original OEM for £110 with a free
laser printer thrown in). Offers on that model are over but I expect its
replacement will follow a similar trajectory. Shame no-one offers a deal
on C,M,Y,K,K - as that is about the right mix ratio even if you have a
dedicated monochrome laser printer for ordinary use.

I am keeping all my old empty Dell toner cartridges to refill one day if
the bulk refills ever become cheaper than whole cartridges!

If you are buying for photographic printing check out reviews carefully
- some laser printers are fit only for printing business graphs.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 
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