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So I have been in some of the supermarkets, and found something which suits,
but when I asked about more information I was told I have to buy a memory
card, so why the hell don't they include that in the camera in the
beginning, sounds like a scam, to make the camera look cheap but in fact it
isn't!

Alan

George Kerby wrote:

>
>
>
> On 8/12/12 3:42 PM, in article KyUVr.1141668$4,
> "Alan Holmes" <> wrote:
>
> >
> > So I have been in some of the supermarkets, and found something
> > which suits, but when I asked about more information I was told I
> > have to buy a memory card, so why the hell don't they include that
> > in the camera in the beginning, sounds like a scam, to make the
> > camera look cheap but in fact it isn't!
> >
> > Alan
>
> A long time ago, when I was working a retail camera store (remember
> those?), a long-time customer walked in wanting to purchase a (then)
> new digital camera (D-30?). When he told me the same thing that you
> are complaining about, I reminded him that his old SLR had not come
> with any film. The look on his face was precious. AFAIK, to this day,
> NO digital camera of any value has included a memory card.

No but a good negotiator will always get a card thrown in. I just tell
them that I want extras (free card etc.) or I may have to take my
custom elsewhere.

It usually works and I normally get a card and a case thrown in.
Depends on the price of the camera of course. With a cheap and
chearful compact it may not work but a more expensive job should get
you some goodies.

MC

Alan Holmes wrote:

>
> So I have been in some of the supermarkets, and found something which
> suits, but when I asked about more information I was told I have to
> buy a memory card, so why the hell don't they include that in the
> camera in the beginning, sounds like a scam, to make the camera look
> cheap but in fact it isn't!
>
> Alan

Buying a "cheap" camera is often a false economy anyway. More often
than not the camera built into your phone is better.

Besides, memory cards are as cheap as chips these days.

MC

"Alan Holmes" <> wrote:
> So I have been in some of the supermarkets, and found something which suits,
> but when I asked about more information I was told I have to buy a memory
> card, so why the hell don't they include that in the camera in the
> beginning, sounds like a scam, to make the camera look cheap but in fact it
> isn't!
>
> Alan

All my cameras have built in memory. Decide on pic size cause that matters
more for storage, but storage is cheap these days.

Greg

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 23:54:52 +0000 (UTC), gregz <>
wrote:

>"Alan Holmes" <> wrote:
>> So I have been in some of the supermarkets, and found something which suits,
>> but when I asked about more information I was told I have to buy a memory
>> card, so why the hell don't they include that in the camera in the
>> beginning, sounds like a scam, to make the camera look cheap but in fact it
>> isn't!
>>
>> Alan
>
>All my cameras have built in memory.

He's referring to an SD card. SD cards are not included in the
purchase price of a camera unless the retailer offers them in a
package deal.

The guy's shopping in a *supermarket* for a camera. The package deal
is more likely to be a dozen eggs and a head of lettuce.

>Decide on pic size cause that matters
>more for storage, but storage is cheap these days.
>
>Greg

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

On Aug 12, 4:42*pm, "Alan Holmes" <alan.holme...@virgin.net> wrote:
> So I have been in some of the supermarkets, and found something which suits,
> but when I asked about more information I was told I have to buy a memory
> card, so why the hell don't they include that in the camera in the
> beginning, sounds like a scam, to make the camera look cheap but in fact it
> isn't!
>
> Alan

Spend more on a camera than a 24 of beer, you cheap clown.

On 12/08/2012 21:42, Alan Holmes wrote:
> So I have been in some of the supermarkets, and found something which suits,

How do you know it suits? Buying on price alone isn't at all sensible!
If you said which one you were considering it would help.

> but when I asked about more information I was told I have to buy a memory
> card, so why the hell don't they include that in the camera in the
> beginning, sounds like a scam, to make the camera look cheap but in fact it
> isn't!
>
> Alan

1GB will store about 80+ high quality 12Mpixel JPEGs or 30 raw images
depending on compressibility and costs much less than a roll of film. If
you shop around you can just about get 8GB sD for under £3 now.

Memory cards these days are well under 50p per GB and laarge fast ones
for video are all under £1/GB. See for example Amazon.co.uk:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...+cards&x=0&y=0

You would do well to buy your camera there too. Better prices much more
detailed specifications and customer reviews online to help you avoid
the cheap nasty lemons that the supermarkets sell to clueless punters.
Supermarkets and even computer selling sheds are not the best place to
buy memory cards unless you need it to use *instantly*.

Be careful buying large memory cards as there is a good chance your
cheap and nasty supermarket camera will not be able to use them. Very
rarely the supermarkets do have real end of line bargains but you have
to know what you are doing to find them.

Even in the early days when memory was expensive digital cameras did not
come with free memory thrown in although you could usually get them to
give you something extra on a £1000 deal. The earliest digital cameras
like my old Kodak DC-120 had a small amount of built in flash memory so
that it could do in shop demos without risking theft of a then expensive
"small" CF memory card (remember those)!

Regards,
Martin Brown

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:26:37 -0500, George Kerby wrote:

> On 8/12/12 3:42 PM, in article KyUVr.1141668$4, "Alan
> Holmes" <> wrote:
>
>
>> So I have been in some of the supermarkets, and found something which
>> suits, but when I asked about more information I was told I have to buy
>> a memory card, so why the hell don't they include that in the camera in
>> the beginning, sounds like a scam, to make the camera look cheap but in
>> fact it isn't!
>>
>> Alan
>
> A long time ago, when I was working a retail camera store (remember
> those?), a long-time customer walked in wanting to purchase a (then) new
> digital camera (D-30?). When he told me the same thing that you are
> complaining about, I reminded him that his old SLR had not come with any
> film. The look on his face was precious. AFAIK, to this day, NO digital
> camera of any value has included a memory card.

Well, not quite true, Canon throw in a very modestly sized card with at
least their lower lines. I suspect this is so you can start to shoot right
away (sort of like those cameras that include a useless built in small
memory).

"Martin Brown" <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5J1Wr.50176$...
> On 12/08/2012 21:42, Alan Holmes wrote:
>> So I have been in some of the supermarkets, and found something which
>> suits,
>
> How do you know it suits? Buying on price alone isn't at all sensible!
> If you said which one you were considering it would help.
>
>> but when I asked about more information I was told I have to buy a memory
>> card, so why the hell don't they include that in the camera in the
>> beginning, sounds like a scam, to make the camera look cheap but in fact
>> it
>> isn't!
>>
>> Alan
>
> 1GB will store about 80+ high quality 12Mpixel JPEGs or 30 raw images
> depending on compressibility and costs much less than a roll of film. If
> you shop around you can just about get 8GB sD for under £3 now.
>
> Memory cards these days are well under 50p per GB and laarge fast ones for
> video are all under £1/GB. See for example Amazon.co.uk:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...+cards&x=0&y=0

Thanks, will look at that!

>
> You would do well to buy your camera there too. Better prices much more
> detailed specifications and customer reviews online to help you avoid the
> cheap nasty lemons that the supermarkets sell to clueless punters.
> Supermarkets and even computer selling sheds are not the best place to buy
> memory cards unless you need it to use *instantly*.
>
> Be careful buying large memory cards as there is a good chance your cheap
> and nasty supermarket camera will not be able to use them. Very rarely the
> supermarkets do have real end of line bargains but you have to know what
> you are doing to find them.
>
> Even in the early days when memory was expensive digital cameras did not
> come with free memory thrown in although you could usually get them to
> give you something extra on a £1000 deal. The earliest digital cameras
> like my old Kodak DC-120 had a small amount of built in flash memory so
> that it could do in shop demos without risking theft of a then expensive
> "small" CF memory card (remember those)!
>
> Regards,
> Martin Brown
>

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012, Dave Cohen wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:26:37 -0500, George Kerby wrote:
>
>> On 8/12/12 3:42 PM, in article KyUVr.1141668$4, "Alan
>> Holmes" <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So I have been in some of the supermarkets, and found something which
>>> suits, but when I asked about more information I was told I have to buy
>>> a memory card, so why the hell don't they include that in the camera in
>>> the beginning, sounds like a scam, to make the camera look cheap but in
>>> fact it isn't!
>>>
>>> Alan
>>
>> A long time ago, when I was working a retail camera store (remember
>> those?), a long-time customer walked in wanting to purchase a (then) new
>> digital camera (D-30?). When he told me the same thing that you are
>> complaining about, I reminded him that his old SLR had not come with any
>> film. The look on his face was precious. AFAIK, to this day, NO digital
>> camera of any value has included a memory card.
>
> Well, not quite true, Canon throw in a very modestly sized card with at
> least their lower lines. I suspect this is so you can start to shoot right
> away (sort of like those cameras that include a useless built in small
> memory).
>
Yes, my Cannon from about four years back included a 128meg or 256meg SD
card. I thought it was quite thoughtful.

Yes, no film camera came with film. Wait, I'm sure there were kits that
included a box of film, along with a case and maybe a cloth to clean the
lense. But at lest film has the point that it has an expiry date.

I remember when I got my first floppy disk drive, spending about $500
Canadian for the drive in a case with power supply, and a controller. And
then I realize I can't use the thing, I have to go out and get a floppy
disk first. That was 1984, I still have the bill for the first box of ten
that I bought, just under fifty dollars. Yes, you could buy single floppy
disks back then, I think I did, but the company could have bought in bulk
and tossed in a floppy to get you going.

The flip side is that a lot of electronic stuff does now come with
batteries. Not just flashlights, but I cant' think of anything that's
come in here new in recent years with a remote that didn't ahve batteries
for the remote. It means one can get going without fussing, and surely
doesn't add much to the cost.

Cannon probably got the cards cheap, buying up as they became less
valuable, everyone wanting bigger SD cards.

Michael