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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:05:50 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:

> These are not the errors an intermediate user would make, nor the
> questions an intermediate user would ask. These are the errors that
> somebody who doesn't know Python would make.

> P.S. The scale I am accustomed to is Novice -> Intermediate -> Advanced
> -> Master
>
> Are there scales out there that would put these types of questions in
> the "intermediate" category?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning...3Kruger_effect


Or to put it another way:

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/359ofp/
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3q8648/




--
Steven

On 08/05/2012 09:52 PM, John Mordecai Dildy wrote:
> NameError: name 'start' is not defined
>
> anyone know how to make start defined

Maybe rename it "defined_start"

I wonder how someone can get to the point of writing more than 76 lines
of code while not only still making this kind of errors, but not even
knowing what these errors mean and how to correct them. It's impossible.
You can't write programs that are more than 10 lines without having
encountered these errors and learnt how to deal with them.

Unless you're reading exercises from a book, and feeling that you're
"intermediate", you started reading from chapter 28 in a 29 chapters book.



--
~Jugurtha Hadjar,

On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:59:44 +1000, Chris Angelico <>
declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:

> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber <> wrote:
> > So am I beginner, intermediate, advanced, expert?
>
> I wonder would this sort of a scale help:
>
> http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html#perl
>
> Novice: P
> Intermediate: P+ or P++
> Advanced: P+++
> Master: P++++
>
Surely we can rise above mere "pluses" and rank using "stars" (*) --
a four-star Pythoneer (or whatever the preferred term is)?

--
Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

On Aug 7, 8:06*am, Jugurtha Hadjar <jugurtha.had...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/05/2012 09:52 PM, John Mordecai Dildy wrote:
>
> > NameError: name 'start' is not defined
>
> > anyone know how to make start defined
>
> Maybe rename it "defined_start"
>
> I wonder how someone can get to the point of writing more than 76 lines
> of code while not only still making this kind of errors, but not even
> knowing what these errors mean and how to correct them. It's impossible.
> You can't write programs that are more than 10 lines without having
> encountered these errors and learnt how to deal with them.
>
> Unless you're reading exercises from a book, and feeling that you're
> "intermediate", you started reading from chapter 28 in a 29 chapters book..
>
> --
> ~Jugurtha Hadjar,

If you've ever taught programming in a formal teaching setup, you
would not be surprised when students submit C 'projects' that wont
even compile (leave aside segfault).

On a more personal note, the first program I wrote was in Cobol. I
got only 350 errors before the compiler copped out. It was a bit
traumatic. Later on I found I forgot to write
PROCEDURE DIVISION.

So its good to remember how spoilt we are on python that we can test
out 10 lines at a time.

On Aug 7, 6:16*am, Steven D'Aprano <steve
+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:05:50 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:
> > * These are not the errors an intermediate user would make, nor the
> > questions an intermediate user would ask. *These are the errors that
> > somebody who doesn't know Python would make.
> > P.S. *The scale I am accustomed to is Novice -> Intermediate -> Advanced
> > -> Master
>
> > Are there scales out there that would put these types of questions in
> > the "intermediate" category?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning...3Kruger_effect

Thanks for that link -- I'd been looking for it.

>
> Or to put it another way:
>
> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/359ofp...m/meme/3q8648/

On Monday, August 6, 2012 11:39:45 PM UTC-4, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:59:44 +1000, Chris Angelico <>
>
> declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber <> wrote:
>
> > > So am I beginner, intermediate, advanced, expert?
>
> >
>
> > I wonder would this sort of a scale help:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html#perl
>
> >
>
> > Novice: P
>
> > Intermediate: P+ or P++
>
> > Advanced: P+++
>
> > Master: P++++
>
> >
>
> Surely we can rise above mere "pluses" and rank using "stars" (*) --
>
> a four-star Pythoneer (or whatever the preferred term is)?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
>
> HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

No matter what level you are in python you will still make mistakes every once in a while but if your like a expert you just notice it faster

On Monday, August 6, 2012 11:39:45 PM UTC-4, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:59:44 +1000, Chris Angelico <>
>
> declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber <> wrote:
>
> > > So am I beginner, intermediate, advanced, expert?
>
> >
>
> > I wonder would this sort of a scale help:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html#perl
>
> >
>
> > Novice: P
>
> > Intermediate: P+ or P++
>
> > Advanced: P+++
>
> > Master: P++++
>
> >
>
> Surely we can rise above mere "pluses" and rank using "stars" (*) --
>
> a four-star Pythoneer (or whatever the preferred term is)?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
>
> HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

No matter what level you are in python you will still make mistakes every once in a while but if your like a expert you just notice it faster

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:52:42 -0700 (PDT), rusi <>
declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:

>
> On a more personal note, the first program I wrote was in Cobol. I
> got only 350 errors before the compiler copped out. It was a bit
> traumatic. Later on I found I forgot to write
> PROCEDURE DIVISION.
>
At least you didn't do what some girl did at my college... The
compiler listing got posted outside the computer room as a record for
compiler errors...

She'd fed the OBJECT file to the COBOL compiler as the source.
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Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/