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David Bernier
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      08-01-2012
On 07/31/2012 01:11 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
> In article<(E-Mail Removed)>, Fabrizio J Bonsignore<(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>
>> The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
>> ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
>> Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
>> reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
>> new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
>> actually writing something!
>>
>> Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
>> up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
>> interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
>> Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
>>
>> In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
>> groups are dead!
>>
>> I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.

>
> That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
> which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
> have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
>
> There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
> something you don't like, use something else.
>


For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
people who make Firefox.

I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
"spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.

Dave

 
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David Bernier
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      08-01-2012
On 08/01/2012 01:15 PM, David Bernier wrote:
> On 07/31/2012 01:11 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
>> In
>> article<(E-Mail Removed)>,
>> Fabrizio J Bonsignore<(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>>
>>> The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
>>> ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
>>> Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
>>> reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
>>> new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
>>> actually writing something!
>>>
>>> Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
>>> up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
>>> interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
>>> Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
>>>
>>> In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
>>> groups are dead!
>>>
>>> I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.

>>
>> That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
>> which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
>> have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
>>
>> There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
>> something you don't like, use something else.
>>

>
> For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
> people who make Firefox.
>
> I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
> news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
> "spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.
>
> Dave
>


P.S.:

If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
e.g.
Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
[etc. ]


Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
Minix around 1991-1992.

That's when searching at Google archives.


 
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Fabrizio J Bonsignore
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      08-01-2012
On Jul 31, 5:50*am, Chicken McNuggets <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On 30/07/2012 21:52, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>
> > I need to sack Google groups as well. I did have Outlook

>
> *> Express set up as a mailreader years ago. But it insisted
> *> on storing everything on the hard drive. But the new
> *> interface is unbearable.
>
> Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups. No
> password required. Job done .
>
>


I feel watched when I use Thunderbird. Particularly after the second
prompt for mail password.

Danilo J Bonsignore
 
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Fabrizio J Bonsignore
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      08-01-2012
Problem is... you fall on any computer at hand, browse log into google
groups and you are there. Only other similar page-server I found did
not survive my third or fourth post. And I even mean street internet
enabled phone booths, so it is like no escaping here.

Danilo J Bonsignore
 
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David Bernier
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      08-01-2012
On 08/01/2012 01:28 PM, David Bernier wrote:
> On 08/01/2012 01:15 PM, David Bernier wrote:
>> On 07/31/2012 01:11 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
>>> In
>>> article<(E-Mail Removed)>,
>>>
>>> Fabrizio J Bonsignore<(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>>>
>>>> The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
>>>> ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
>>>> Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
>>>> reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
>>>> new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
>>>> actually writing something!
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
>>>> up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
>>>> interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
>>>> Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
>>>>
>>>> In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
>>>> groups are dead!
>>>>
>>>> I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.
>>>
>>> That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
>>> which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
>>> have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
>>>
>>> There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
>>> something you don't like, use something else.
>>>

>>
>> For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
>> people who make Firefox.
>>
>> I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
>> news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
>> "spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.
>>
>> Dave
>>

>
> P.S.:
>
> If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
> It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
> e.g.
> Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
> [etc. ]
>


Easier to find on David Rusin's web-pages:

< http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .


>
> Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
> an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
> Minix around 1991-1992.
>
> That's when searching at Google archives.
>
>


 
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David Bernier
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      08-01-2012
On 08/01/2012 02:13 PM, David Bernier wrote:
> On 08/01/2012 01:28 PM, David Bernier wrote:

[...]

>>
>> P.S.:
>>
>> If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
>> It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
>> e.g.
>> Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
>> [etc. ]
>>

>
> Easier to find on David Rusin's web-pages:
>
> < http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .


Or seems to be here (but harder to find):

https://groups.google.com/group/sci....Ad4d62c111b74d

>
>>
>> Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
>> an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
>> Minix around 1991-1992.
>>
>> That's when searching at Google archives.


Dave

 
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David Bernier
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      08-01-2012
On 08/01/2012 02:30 PM, David Bernier wrote:
> On 08/01/2012 02:13 PM, David Bernier wrote:
>> On 08/01/2012 01:28 PM, David Bernier wrote:

> [...]
>
>>>
>>> P.S.:
>>>
>>> If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
>>> It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
>>> e.g.
>>> Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
>>> [etc. ]
>>>

>>
>> Easier to find on David Rusin's web-pages:
>>
>> < http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .


The French give the same posting date as Dave Rusin:
Subject : Fermat Status
Date : 4 Dec 93 01:36:50 GMT

cf.:

< http://www.math.jussieu.fr/~romagny/...nce_fermat.pdf >

by Matthieu Romagny.

[...]
 
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James Kuyper
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      08-01-2012
On 08/01/2012 04:06 PM, Kenneth Brody wrote:
> On 8/1/2012 6:47 AM, James Kuyper wrote:

....
>> If that's the issue, then ask IT to install it. If, for some reason,
>> they object to thunderbird, ask them if there's any other news reader
>> that they do approve of.

>
> What are the odds that, given such an IT department, their answer would be
> "just use IE9 and Google Groups"?


Fairly good, but he'll never know for certain until he tries. I have
occasionally been pleasantly surprised by my IT department's flexibility.
 
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Nick Keighley
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      08-02-2012
On Aug 1, 9:06*pm, Kenneth Brody <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On 8/1/2012 6:47 AM, James Kuyper wrote:
> > On 08/01/2012 01:08 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
> >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:52:03 -0400, James Kuyper
> >> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>> On 07/31/2012 07:23 AM, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> >>>> Chicken McNuggets wrote:



> >>>> * * * * * * * * *F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
> >>>> * * * * * * * * * * * Access denied.
> >>>> * Executing files from removable media is not allowed.

> [...]
> >> Windows will do that, but the policy is usually only enforced by IT
> >> departments. *And in that case, he's probably not allowed to install
> >> things on the non-removable drives either.

>
> > If that's the issue, then ask IT to install it. If, for some reason,
> > they object to thunderbird, ask them if there's any other news reader
> > that they do approve of.

>
> What are the odds that, given such an IT department, their answer would be
> "just use IE9 and Google Groups"?


or: "what's a newsgroup and why would you need to access one during
work time?"
 
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lovecreatesbeauty
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      08-14-2012
On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:16:56 PM UTC, Tim Prince wrote:
>
> You're posting through to usenet groups which are much older than Google
>
> groups. google gateway appears to have been your own choice. The next
>
> choice is yours. Use a normal newsgroup application, and one of the well
>
> run specialist newsgroup servers.
>


Are there reliable free newsgroup servers
 
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