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"Jeff Strickland" <> wrote in message
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> "- Bobb -" <bobb@noemail.123> wrote in message
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>> "Jeff Strickland" <> wrote in message
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>>> I use OE6 to poll my web-based accounts, and it works fine. My friend
>>> has Win7, and OE6 is not available for that OS, so I need an
>>> alternative. Thunderbird should do the trick. The issue is whether the
>>> web-based service will allow content to be polled via a POP3 client -- I
>>> think I am saying that correctly. I know that basic Yahoo does not
>>> support POP3, one must have Yahoo Plus in order for POP3 clients to come
>>> along and poll for messages.
>>>
>>> I've never heard of SeaMonkey, I'll have to look into that... Thanks.
>>>
>>> AND, the Time Warner subscription is being turned off due to a move, so
>>> TW is not gonna forward anything anywhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I have gmail set up for free - uses imap server
>> "imap.gmail.com"
>> "smtp.gmail.com"
>> copies all server folders to pc - available offline
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> Do you do that from within Gmail, or do you use an aftermarket client --
> Thunderbird, etc. -- to poll your Gmail account?
>
On this PC I use Outlook Express. I map Comcast accounts to my " Local
Folder" and Gmail account to a Gmail Folder. Gmail creates all of the
subfolders on local PC to match the server folders.

If you use OE for newsgroups, when you click the " account name" folder, the
top level directory for IMAP looks similar to a newsgroup folder:
Synchronize , Imap Folders, Settings
and I see all folders under that.
For Thunderbird, review setup/settings here:

https://support.mozillamessaging.com...ynchronization

Robert Baer wrote:
> wrote:
>> Robert Baer wrote:
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Robert Baer" <> wrote in message
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>>>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>>> This is probably the hammer hitting me in the middle of my forehead
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I cannot see...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email services are moving to cloud-based systems, but I want to
>>>>>> keep my
>>>>>> Inbox locally on my PC. I had a horrible experience last week with
>>>>>> RoadRunner that caused my entire inbox to be deleted BY RoadRunner. I
>>>>>> made a call to Time Warner Cable to cancel my service because I am
>>>>>> moving, they cut the cost for the partial month, BUT that caused the
>>>>>> size of the mail box to be drastically reduced which then caused
>>>>>> messages that said my inbox was too full to receive any new
>>>>>> messages. ON
>>>>>> THE PHONE CALL to Tech Support, the tech support person deleted the
>>>>>> inbox and all of the messages. Time Warner says they can recover the
>>>>>> files from their servers, but I have very low confidence that this is
>>>>>> true. In theory it is entirely true, but as time passes it becomes
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> and less true, and they said they will get on it as soon as they can
>>>>>> then gave a window of about 6 weeks. I'll be very surprised if they
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> recover the files after that much time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This leads to the question, how does one store cloud-based e-mail
>>>>>> content locally? Do some services, Yahoo, GMail, and so on, have a
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> to select messages to physically download and store locally?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My story is really about a friend, not about me personally, but I'm
>>>>>> trying to help her with new email service to store her messages
>>>>>> locally
>>>>>> so that if the cloud has a bad day -- like it had a week ago -- then
>>>>>> she
>>>>>> will still have the important records that these emails contained.
>>>>>> She
>>>>>> was secure in her thought that her stuff would always be there,
>>>>>> and it
>>>>>> isn't Sadly, she did not do anything to save locally, but it is very
>>>>>> hard to find the proper buttons to click that make local storage a
>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a Yahoo account that I can access with my Outlook Express. I
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> OE to get all of my email, and I _think_ my messages are store
>>>>>> locally
>>>>>> in a .DBX file, and if the cloud goes away then I still have my past
>>>>>> messages on file in the DBX. OE goes out and polls my various
>>>>>> accounts
>>>>>> for new messages, and I never use the web-based clients to view my
>>>>>> email
>>>>>> messages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OE is no longer available and has been replaced with Windows Live
>>>>>> Mail,
>>>>>> which I think is still a cloud-based program -- one can view
>>>>>> messages,
>>>>>> but the content is stored out on the cloud, not locally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps she needs to use Thunderbird? Does that store locally? She is
>>>>>> using Win7 for her OS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Be advised that your .DBX file can get royally buggered so that
>>>>> absolutely NOTHING is available; worse than anything you alluded to.
>>>>> Absolutely anything is better than ANY M$ "product", and that includes
>>>>> no software at all.
>>>>> I use SeaMonkey because it includes an e-mail "client", and i
>>>>> understand that Thunderbird is the Mozilla "stand-alone" that does the
>>>>> same thing.
>>>>> Everything that is brought in from the e-mail server goes to the HD.
>>>>> I cannot say how much encryption or the equivalent there is,but if it
>>>>> is virtually plaintext, then i would say you then are in excellent
>>>>> shape.
>>>>> OE is some kind of buggy crappy "database" that has the equivalent of
>>>>> encryption purposely crapped up to firmly tie you to M$ apron strings
>>>>> and leave you 201% stranded with ZERO hope of recovery short of using
>>>>> 20 pound sledgehammer (at minimum).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As crappy as OE6 is, it has never failed me -- knock on wood.
>>>>
>>>> It's not possible to have a situation worse than my friend is facing.
>>>> She lost years of messages that will never be seen again unless Time
>>>> Warner Cable (the ISP) is able to pull a rabbit out of a hat.
>>>> Nothing is
>>>> what she has now, even OE would be an improvement.
>>>>
>>>> I'm gonna look to see if she can make a yahoo, gmail, whatever account
>>>> and then use Thunderbird for the client-side presentation application.
>>>> Hopefully, this will pull the emails down from the cloud and store them
>>>> locally. If they remain on the cloud, then that's fine, but she (and I)
>>>> want message content stored locally.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Your plan is a good one; have her ISP copy all e-mail to a Gmail
>>> account or better yet, transfer all e-mail.
>>> That way the e-mail will not fill up the account and spray fog all
>>> over everything thereby occluding visibility and allowing for stupid
>>> excuses that are meaningless (like before: SIX weeks? i would sue the
>>> B*(@$^ for breach of contract).
>>>
>>> I would say that deleting the inbox and all of the messages itself is
>>> a breach of contract and might even be considered theft and wanton
>>> destruction of PERSONAL PROPERTY.
>>>
>>> I would get a lawyer involved. Yesterday.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, get a different ISP, move everything.
>>> Just do not use satellite or anything like it; cr*p like that happens
>>> with them also.
>>> *
>>> As far as OE, i have seen it do exactly what you mentioned, and
>>> without the so-called database specifications, it was impossible to get
>>> the thousands of lost messages and pictures accumulated over years.
>>> I was able to do some parsing and recover a measly 30 or so messages,
>>> and it was plain that some were woefully incomplete.
>>>
>>
>> Robert, why would Jeff get his friend's ISP to re-direct her e-mails to
>> a Gmail account when the friend could just set Thunderbird up to
>> download her mail direct from her ISP??
>>
>> If the friend does have a Gmail account or whatever, I think there is an
>> add-on for TB which will also download her e-mails from Gmail on to her
>> computer.
>>
>> I'm using SeaMonkey Suite which includes a browser (Firefox equivalent)
>> and an e-mail client (Thunderbird equivalent) and a website builder
>> (Composer) and an IRC client (Chatzilla).
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Daniel
>>
> My preference is to use web-mail (g-mail acts that way).
> As long as one has access to a computer, then e-mail send/receive is
> possible lending for continuity.
> Also web-mail providers remove spam and (more importantly) remove
> virii that can royally goof up one's system before one can look at its
> existence.
> I look at that as an added layer of protection.
>

Fair enough!!

Daniel