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On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:03:29 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
: On 2012-05-11 18:15:38 -0700, MummyChunk said:
:
: > From ENG
: >
: >
: >
: > LEICA M MONOCHROM: THE FUTURE OF BLACK-AND-WHITE PHOTOGRAPHY
:
: I am curious as to your reasons for this cut and paste effort when a
: simple url link to the article would have surficed. Especially since
: most of the usual suspects in these photo groups were well aware of the
: latest Leica news to be found in leicarumors.com.
:
: <
: http://leicarumors.com/2012/05/10/le...px/#more-15088
: >

Frankly, I'd suggest that he not bother to answer. Life is too short to waste
on such trivia. If you really care why somebody posts a (reasonably sized)
excerpt rather than a link thereto, alt.psychology might be a good place to
inquire.

Bob

On 5/12/2012 4:54 PM, Robert Coe wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:03:29 -0700, Savageduck
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> : On 2012-05-11 18:15:38 -0700, MummyChunk said:
> :
> :> From ENG
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :> LEICA M MONOCHROM: THE FUTURE OF BLACK-AND-WHITE PHOTOGRAPHY
> :
> : I am curious as to your reasons for this cut and paste effort when a
> : simple url link to the article would have surficed. Especially since
> : most of the usual suspects in these photo groups were well aware of the
> : latest Leica news to be found in leicarumors.com.
> :
> :<
> : http://leicarumors.com/2012/05/10/le...px/#more-15088
> :>
>
> Frankly, I'd suggest that he not bother to answer. Life is too short to waste
> on such trivia. If you really care why somebody posts a (reasonably sized)
> excerpt rather than a link thereto, alt.psychology might be a good place to
> inquire.
>
> Bob


yes

but more importantly is a camera like that really needed?

I have my doubts

On 05/12/2012 07:50 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>
> NIK Silver Efex Pro



Quite outstanding shots!


For me...I always shoot in color, then if needed convert to grayscale
later if necessary.

I rarely know in advance what's going to be appropriate.

philo <> wrote:
> On 5/12/2012 4:54 PM, Robert Coe wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:03:29 -0700, Savageduck
>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> : On 2012-05-11 18:15:38 -0700, MummyChunk said:
>> :
>> :> From ENG
>> :>
>> :>
>> :>
>> :> LEICA M MONOCHROM: THE FUTURE OF BLACK-AND-WHITE PHOTOGRAPHY
>> :
>> : I am curious as to your reasons for this cut and paste effort when a
>> : simple url link to the article would have surficed. Especially since
>> : most of the usual suspects in these photo groups were well aware of the
>> : latest Leica news to be found in leicarumors.com.
>> :
>> :<
>> : http://leicarumors.com/2012/05/10/le...px/#more-15088
>> :>
>>
>> Frankly, I'd suggest that he not bother to answer. Life is too short to waste
>> on such trivia. If you really care why somebody posts a (reasonably sized)
>> excerpt rather than a link thereto, alt.psychology might be a good place to
>> inquire.
>>
>> Bob


> yes

> but more importantly is a camera like that really needed?

I hate to think how little camera gear I'd have if I restricted myself
to the stuff I really needed.

--
Chris Malcolm

On 05/13/2012 09:12 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2012-05-13 03:52:05 -0700, philo <> said:
>
>> On 05/12/2012 07:50 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>>
>>> NIK Silver Efex Pro
>>
>>
>>
>> Quite outstanding shots!
>
> Thanks for that.
>
>>
>>
>> For me...I always shoot in color, then if needed convert to grayscale
>> later if necessary.
>
> There have been occasions I have shot in Monochrome using my D300s and
> experimented with the Nikon in-camera toning filters, mostly yellow,
> red, green. That gives me an immediate B&W jpeg with those filter
> effects along with a full color data RAW if I care to make a color
> version or a different software B&W conversion.
>
> For the most part I just shoot RAW in full color.
>
> I find that making a grayscale B&W conversion leaves you with a somewhat
> bland monochrome image. If you are using PS of any variety, better to
> use the channels method, or in some of the later CS versions, the B&W
> conversion adjustment layer.
>
>>
>> I rarely know in advance what's going to be appropriate.
>
> That is the standard operating procedure for me. However, there are
> times I think I have planned a shot, only to find something unplanned
> worked much better. I live for the "miraculous accident".
>
>



Yep...I rarely plan or stage anything.

The one time I did some planned and posed shots...
the best one of the day was a candid shot I did while my model (aka
wife) was taking a break.


Hmmm I never have used the B&W conversion adjustment layer...it will be
something I'll have to fool with one of these days.

On 05/13/2012 02:09 PM, philo wrote:
> On 05/13/2012 09:12 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2012-05-13 03:52:05 -0700, philo <> said:
>>
>>> On 05/12/2012 07:50 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> NIK Silver Efex Pro
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> Yep...I rarely plan or stage anything.
>
> The one time I did some planned and posed shots...
> the best one of the day was a candid shot I did while my model (aka
> wife) was taking a break.
>
>
> Hmmm I never have used the B&W conversion adjustment layer...it will be
> something I'll have to fool with one of these days.



Why wait...I gave it a try just now.

I usually use a simple program like ACDsee to just convert to grayscale.

This time I used GIMP and use the desaturation method
then compared it to the way I had been doing things.

Definitely better using desaturation !

I just learned something....thank you!

On 5/13/2012 6:52 AM, philo wrote:
> On 05/12/2012 07:50 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>
>> NIK Silver Efex Pro
>
>
>
> Quite outstanding shots!
>
>
> For me...I always shoot in color, then if needed convert to grayscale
> later if necessary.
>
> I rarely know in advance what's going to be appropriate.
>

Yup! Somehow the image tells me what to do.

Sometimes I am wrong in listening; and
Sometimes I am wrong in not listening.

--
Peter

On 5/13/2012 3:09 PM, philo wrote:
> On 05/13/2012 09:12 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2012-05-13 03:52:05 -0700, philo <> said:
>>
>>> On 05/12/2012 07:50 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> NIK Silver Efex Pro
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quite outstanding shots!
>>
>> Thanks for that.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For me...I always shoot in color, then if needed convert to grayscale
>>> later if necessary.
>>
>> There have been occasions I have shot in Monochrome using my D300s and
>> experimented with the Nikon in-camera toning filters, mostly yellow,
>> red, green. That gives me an immediate B&W jpeg with those filter
>> effects along with a full color data RAW if I care to make a color
>> version or a different software B&W conversion.
>>
>> For the most part I just shoot RAW in full color.
>>
>> I find that making a grayscale B&W conversion leaves you with a somewhat
>> bland monochrome image. If you are using PS of any variety, better to
>> use the channels method, or in some of the later CS versions, the B&W
>> conversion adjustment layer.
>>
>>>
>>> I rarely know in advance what's going to be appropriate.
>>
>> That is the standard operating procedure for me. However, there are
>> times I think I have planned a shot, only to find something unplanned
>> worked much better. I live for the "miraculous accident".
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Yep...I rarely plan or stage anything.
>
> The one time I did some planned and posed shots...
> the best one of the day was a candid shot I did while my model (aka
> wife) was taking a break.
>
>
> Hmmm I never have used the B&W conversion adjustment layer...it will be
> something I'll have to fool with one of these days.


It give you a lot of control. For even more control and variety, I use
Topaz.

--
Peter

On 05/13/2012 04:09 PM, PeterN wrote:
> On 5/13/2012 3:09 PM, philo wrote:
>> On 05/13/2012 09:12 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> On 2012-05-13 03:52:05 -0700, philo <> said:
>>>
>>>> On 05/12/2012 07:50 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> NIK Silver Efex Pro
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quite outstanding shots!
>>>
>>> Thanks for that.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For me...I always shoot in color, then if needed convert to grayscale
>>>> later if necessary.
>>>
>>> There have been occasions I have shot in Monochrome using my D300s and
>>> experimented with the Nikon in-camera toning filters, mostly yellow,
>>> red, green. That gives me an immediate B&W jpeg with those filter
>>> effects along with a full color data RAW if I care to make a color
>>> version or a dX
>>
>> Yep...I rarely plan or stage anything.
>>
>> The one time I did some planned and posed shots...
>> the best one of the day was a candid shot I did while my model (aka
>> wife) was taking a break.
>>
>>
>> Hmmm I never have used the B&W conversion adjustment layer...it will be
>> something I'll have to fool with one of these days.
>
>
> It give you a lot of control. For even more control and variety, I use
> Topaz.
>

I took Savageduck's advice and got better results. When I told my wife
that I tried de-saturation and it worked better than simply converting
to grayscale...she simply said : "I've been telling you that for years!"

On 5/13/2012 6:02 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2012-05-13 14:53:08 -0700, philo <> said:
>
>> On 05/13/2012 04:09 PM, PeterN wrote:
>>> On 5/13/2012 3:09 PM, philo wrote:
>>>> On 05/13/2012 09:12 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>> On 2012-05-13 03:52:05 -0700, philo <> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/12/2012 07:50 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NIK Silver Efex Pro
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quite outstanding shots!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me...I always shoot in color, then if needed convert to grayscale
>>>>>> later if necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> There have been occasions I have shot in Monochrome using my D300s and
>>>>> experimented with the Nikon in-camera toning filters, mostly yellow,
>>>>> red, green. That gives me an immediate B&W jpeg with those filter
>>>>> effects along with a full color data RAW if I care to make a color
>>>>> version or a dX
>>>>
>>>> Yep...I rarely plan or stage anything.
>>>>
>>>> The one time I did some planned and posed shots...
>>>> the best one of the day was a candid shot I did while my model (aka
>>>> wife) was taking a break.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm I never have used the B&W conversion adjustment layer...it will be
>>>> something I'll have to fool with one of these days.
>>>
>>>
>>> It give you a lot of control. For even more control and variety, I use
>>> Topaz.
>>>
>>
>> I took Savageduck's advice and got better results. When I told my wife
>> that I tried de-saturation and it worked better than simply converting
>> to grayscale...she simply said : "I've been telling you that for years!"
>
> You just need to know, who knows what in your house.
> ...but then there are times the answer is given in opposite sex code
> once the question is asked.
>

Offtimes even before the question is asked.

--
Peter