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On 24/04/12 19:04, Gib Bogle wrote:
> On 23/04/2012 10:03 p.m., Enkidu wrote: >> On 23/04/12 21:07, Donchano wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:29:23 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> shouted from >>> the highest rooftop: >>> >>>> On 23/04/12 19:13, Donchano wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Late last week I received a letter of acknowledgement with the usual >>>>> "in due course" proviso. If I don't get a full answer or they refuse >>>>> to answer I'll take it further. >>>>> >>>> Why? What possible reason is there for letting the hoi polloi having >>>> such information? >>> >>> Good point. After all, the pencil pushers, politicians and consultants >>> always know what's best for us. We should just leave them to get on >>> with telling us whatever that happens to be ...  >> > >> No. There are leaders and there are followers. What is the point of >> giving the followers information that they don't need? > > The police are leaders?? Surely this is sarcasm. > No. The ones who tell the police what to do. The police are also followers. Cheers, Cliff -- The ends justifies the means - Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli. The end excuses any evil - Sophocles |
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On Apr 24, 11:21*am, Enkidu <cliffp@bogus> wrote:
> On 24/04/12 09:10, JohnO wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 10:03 pm, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> *wrote: > >> On 23/04/12 21:07, Donchano wrote: > > >>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:29:23 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> * *shouted from > >>> the highest rooftop: > > >>>> On 23/04/12 19:13, Donchano wrote: > > >>>>> Late last week I received a letter of acknowledgement with the usual > >>>>> "in due course" proviso. If I don't get a full answer or they refuse > >>>>> to answer I'll take it further. > > >>>> Why? What possible reason is there for letting the hoi polloi having > >>>> such information? > > >>> Good point. After all, the pencil pushers, politicians and consultants > >>> always know what's best for us. *We should just leave them to get on > >>> with telling us whatever that happens to be ... > > >> No. There are leaders and there are followers. What is the point of > >> giving the followers information that they don't need? > > > Are you a leader or follower Cliff? If the latter, do you have > > aspirations to the former? > > > Just asking. > > Everyone is a follower. A few are also leaders. There is no point in > disseminating useless information to everyone. If I were the government > I'd be making something up right now. After all the whole Dot Com > operation was funded by the recording industries, mainly in the state > and won't cost New Zealand a cent. It was also a good exercise, the > benefits of which will be realised when the government gets around to > incarcerating all the communists and camp-followers like yourself. Could this be described as "fascism"? > > Cheers, > > Cliff > > -- > > The ends justifies the means - Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli. > > The end excuses any evil - Sophocles |
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On Apr 25, 8:42*am, Donchano <donch...@notachance.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:27:27 +1200, Enkidu <cliffp@bogus> shouted from > the highest rooftop: > > > > > > > > > > >On 24/04/12 17:26, Donchano wrote: > > >> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:10:27 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> *shouted > >> from the highest rooftop: > > >>> On 24/04/12 11:38, Donchano wrote: > > >>>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:21:20 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> > >>>> shouted from the highest rooftop: > > >>>>> On 24/04/12 09:10, JohnO wrote: > >>>>>> On Apr 23, 10:03 pm, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> * *wrote: > >>>>>>> On 23/04/12 21:07, Donchano wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:29:23 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> > >>>>>>>> shouted from the highest rooftop: > > >>>>>>>>> On 23/04/12 19:13, Donchano wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Late last week I received a letter of acknowledgement > >>>>>>>>>> with the usual "in due course" proviso. If I don't > >>>>>>>>>> get a full answer or they refuse to answer I'll take > >>>>>>>>>> it further. > > >>>>>>>>> Why? What possible reason is there for letting the hoi > >>>>>>>>> polloi having such information? > > >>>>>>>> Good point. After all, the pencil pushers, politicians > >>>>>>>> and consultants always know what's best for us. *We > >>>>>>>> should just leave them to get on with telling us whatever > >>>>>>>> that happens to be ... > > >>>>>>> No. There are leaders and there are followers. What is the > >>>>>>> point of giving the followers information that they don't > >>>>>>> need? > > >>>>>> Are you a leader or follower Cliff? If the latter, do you > >>>>>> have aspirations to the former? > > >>>>>> Just asking. > > >>>>> Everyone is a follower. A few are also leaders. There is no > >>>>> point in disseminating useless information to everyone. If I > >>>>> were the government I'd be making something up right now. After > >>>>> all the whole Dot Com operation was funded by the recording > >>>>> industries, mainly in the state and won't cost New Zealand a > >>>>> cent. It was also a good exercise, the benefits of which will > >>>>> be realised when the government gets around to incarcerating > >>>>> all the communists and camp-followers like yourself. > > >>>> That's your opinion. OPINION. And not only don't I agree with it, > >>>> it's my opinion that you're not correct about the money - or at > >>>> least NZD 70,000. > > >>> It's the governments job to spend the money. Not yours. If you > >>> don't like it, form your own party and get yourself elected. Good > >>> luck to you. > > >> Again, that's just your opinion. And a rather puerile one at that > >> IMO. And if you really think you have to be elected before you can > >> make a difference, then you obviously haven't tried. > > >No. You have to get control before you can make a difference. Getting > >elected is how we currently get control. If you don't have control all > >you can do is make bleating noises. You will just be ignored. > > My personal experience is obviously different than yours ... and I'm > very thankful they are. > > > > > > > > > > >>> Anyway, it is not my opinion, in lower case or in capitals. It is > >>> the truth, and if you can't handle the truth, stay out of the > >>> game. > > >>>> But unlike you, I intend to find out the facts so at least I form > >>>> an informed decision. If you're not interested in them then > >>>> ignore them - like you did the article . > > >>> [Irrelevant stuff snipped]. > > >> Wouldn't want to confuse you with facts. > > >It was irrelevant. What was done and what it cost is irrelevant. Of > >course, if it gives you pleasure to feel outraged for some reason, feel > >free. Some people get pleasure from the strangest things. > > >>> Why? What on earth are you going to do with your 'informed > >>> decision'? Write a stiff letter to your MP? Wave a placard? Tell > >>> other people? > > >> As I've already said, I'll let you know after I get the information. > >> You might be happy being one of the flock, but I'm not. > > >There's two sorts of sheep. Those who quietly munch grass and get on > >with being sheep, and there's those that spend their time bleating. I > >guess that they are the ones that aren't happy being one of the flock, > >but in spite of their noise, they are still are. > > And what kind of sheep are you? The sort that's on the way to the works, I think. |
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On 24/04/12 22:44, Ted wrote:
> On Apr 24, 11:21 am, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> wrote: >> On 24/04/12 09:10, JohnO wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 23, 10:03 pm, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> wrote: >>>> On 23/04/12 21:07, Donchano wrote: >> >>>>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:29:23 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> >>>>> shouted from the highest rooftop: >> >>>>>> On 23/04/12 19:13, Donchano wrote: >> >>>>>>> Late last week I received a letter of acknowledgement >>>>>>> with the usual "in due course" proviso. If I don't get a >>>>>>> full answer or they refuse to answer I'll take it >>>>>>> further. >> >>>>>> Why? What possible reason is there for letting the hoi >>>>>> polloi having such information? >> >>>>> Good point. After all, the pencil pushers, politicians and >>>>> consultants always know what's best for us. We should just >>>>> leave them to get on with telling us whatever that happens to >>>>> be ... >> >>>> No. There are leaders and there are followers. What is the >>>> point of giving the followers information that they don't >>>> need? >> >>> Are you a leader or follower Cliff? If the latter, do you have >>> aspirations to the former? >> >>> Just asking. >> >> Everyone is a follower. A few are also leaders. There is no point >> in disseminating useless information to everyone. If I were the >> government I'd be making something up right now. After all the >> whole Dot Com operation was funded by the recording industries, >> mainly in the state and won't cost New Zealand a cent. It was also >> a good exercise, the benefits of which will be realised when the >> government gets around to incarcerating all the communists and >> camp-followers like yourself. > > Could this be described as "fascism"? > Or communism, or democracy, or dictatorship, or plutocracy, or monarchy, or republicanism. The end result of all these systems is 'rulers' and 'ruled'. Cheers, Cliff -- The ends justifies the means - Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli. The end excuses any evil - Sophocles |
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On 25/04/12 08:42, Donchano wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:27:27 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> shouted from > the highest rooftop: > >> On 24/04/12 17:26, Donchano wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:10:27 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> shouted >>> from the highest rooftop: >>> >>>> On 24/04/12 11:38, Donchano wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:21:20 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> >>>>> shouted from the highest rooftop: >>>>> >>>>>> On 24/04/12 09:10, JohnO wrote: >>>>>>> On Apr 23, 10:03 pm, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 23/04/12 21:07, Donchano wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:29:23 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> >>>>>>>>> shouted from the highest rooftop: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 23/04/12 19:13, Donchano wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Late last week I received a letter of acknowledgement >>>>>>>>>>> with the usual "in due course" proviso. If I don't >>>>>>>>>>> get a full answer or they refuse to answer I'll take >>>>>>>>>>> it further. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why? What possible reason is there for letting the hoi >>>>>>>>>> polloi having such information? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good point. After all, the pencil pushers, politicians >>>>>>>>> and consultants always know what's best for us. We >>>>>>>>> should just leave them to get on with telling us whatever >>>>>>>>> that happens to be ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No. There are leaders and there are followers. What is the >>>>>>>> point of giving the followers information that they don't >>>>>>>> need? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you a leader or follower Cliff? If the latter, do you >>>>>>> have aspirations to the former? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just asking. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Everyone is a follower. A few are also leaders. There is no >>>>>> point in disseminating useless information to everyone. If I >>>>>> were the government I'd be making something up right now. After >>>>>> all the whole Dot Com operation was funded by the recording >>>>>> industries, mainly in the state and won't cost New Zealand a >>>>>> cent. It was also a good exercise, the benefits of which will >>>>>> be realised when the government gets around to incarcerating >>>>>> all the communists and camp-followers like yourself. >>>>> >>>>> That's your opinion. OPINION. And not only don't I agree with it, >>>>> it's my opinion that you're not correct about the money - or at >>>>> least NZD 70,000. >>>>> >>>> It's the governments job to spend the money. Not yours. If you >>>> don't like it, form your own party and get yourself elected. Good >>>> luck to you. >>> >>> Again, that's just your opinion. And a rather puerile one at that >>> IMO. And if you really think you have to be elected before you can >>> make a difference, then you obviously haven't tried. >>> >> No. You have to get control before you can make a difference. Getting >> elected is how we currently get control. If you don't have control all >> you can do is make bleating noises. You will just be ignored. > > My personal experience is obviously different than yours ... and I'm > very thankful they are. > Yeah right. What significant changes to the country have you personally caused, by yourself, by your own efforts? > >>>> Anyway, it is not my opinion, in lower case or in capitals. It is >>>> the truth, and if you can't handle the truth, stay out of the >>>> game. >>>>> >>>>> But unlike you, I intend to find out the facts so at least I form >>>>> an informed decision. If you're not interested in them then >>>>> ignore them - like you did the article . >>>>> >>>> [Irrelevant stuff snipped]. >>> >>> Wouldn't want to confuse you with facts. >>> >> It was irrelevant. What was done and what it cost is irrelevant. Of >> course, if it gives you pleasure to feel outraged for some reason, feel >> free. Some people get pleasure from the strangest things. >>> >>>> Why? What on earth are you going to do with your 'informed >>>> decision'? Write a stiff letter to your MP? Wave a placard? Tell >>>> other people? >>> >>> As I've already said, I'll let you know after I get the information. >>> You might be happy being one of the flock, but I'm not. >>> >> There's two sorts of sheep. Those who quietly munch grass and get on >> with being sheep, and there's those that spend their time bleating. I >> guess that they are the ones that aren't happy being one of the flock, >> but in spite of their noise, they are still are. > > And what kind of sheep are you? > The one that laughs at both sorts. Cheers, Cliff -- The ends justifies the means - Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli. The end excuses any evil - Sophocles |
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On 25/04/12 09:34, Ted wrote:
> On Apr 25, 8:42 am, Donchano<donch...@notachance.invalid> wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:27:27 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> shouted from >> the highest rooftop: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 24/04/12 17:26, Donchano wrote: >> >>>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:10:27 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> shouted >>>> from the highest rooftop: >> >>>>> On 24/04/12 11:38, Donchano wrote: >> >>>>>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:21:20 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> >>>>>> shouted from the highest rooftop: >> >>>>>>> On 24/04/12 09:10, JohnO wrote: >>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 10:03 pm, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 23/04/12 21:07, Donchano wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:29:23 +1200, Enkidu<cliffp@bogus> >>>>>>>>>> shouted from the highest rooftop: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 23/04/12 19:13, Donchano wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Late last week I received a letter of acknowledgement >>>>>>>>>>>> with the usual "in due course" proviso. If I don't >>>>>>>>>>>> get a full answer or they refuse to answer I'll take >>>>>>>>>>>> it further. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Why? What possible reason is there for letting the hoi >>>>>>>>>>> polloi having such information? >> >>>>>>>>>> Good point. After all, the pencil pushers, politicians >>>>>>>>>> and consultants always know what's best for us. We >>>>>>>>>> should just leave them to get on with telling us whatever >>>>>>>>>> that happens to be ... >> >>>>>>>>> No. There are leaders and there are followers. What is the >>>>>>>>> point of giving the followers information that they don't >>>>>>>>> need? >> >>>>>>>> Are you a leader or follower Cliff? If the latter, do you >>>>>>>> have aspirations to the former? >> >>>>>>>> Just asking. >> >>>>>>> Everyone is a follower. A few are also leaders. There is no >>>>>>> point in disseminating useless information to everyone. If I >>>>>>> were the government I'd be making something up right now. After >>>>>>> all the whole Dot Com operation was funded by the recording >>>>>>> industries, mainly in the state and won't cost New Zealand a >>>>>>> cent. It was also a good exercise, the benefits of which will >>>>>>> be realised when the government gets around to incarcerating >>>>>>> all the communists and camp-followers like yourself. >> >>>>>> That's your opinion. OPINION. And not only don't I agree with it, >>>>>> it's my opinion that you're not correct about the money - or at >>>>>> least NZD 70,000. >> >>>>> It's the governments job to spend the money. Not yours. If you >>>>> don't like it, form your own party and get yourself elected. Good >>>>> luck to you. >> >>>> Again, that's just your opinion. And a rather puerile one at that >>>> IMO. And if you really think you have to be elected before you can >>>> make a difference, then you obviously haven't tried. >> >>> No. You have to get control before you can make a difference. Getting >>> elected is how we currently get control. If you don't have control all >>> you can do is make bleating noises. You will just be ignored. >> >> My personal experience is obviously different than yours ... and I'm >> very thankful they are. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Anyway, it is not my opinion, in lower case or in capitals. It is >>>>> the truth, and if you can't handle the truth, stay out of the >>>>> game. >> >>>>>> But unlike you, I intend to find out the facts so at least I form >>>>>> an informed decision. If you're not interested in them then >>>>>> ignore them - like you did the article . >> >>>>> [Irrelevant stuff snipped]. >> >>>> Wouldn't want to confuse you with facts. >> >>> It was irrelevant. What was done and what it cost is irrelevant. Of >>> course, if it gives you pleasure to feel outraged for some reason, feel >>> free. Some people get pleasure from the strangest things. >> >>>>> Why? What on earth are you going to do with your 'informed >>>>> decision'? Write a stiff letter to your MP? Wave a placard? Tell >>>>> other people? >> >>>> As I've already said, I'll let you know after I get the information. >>>> You might be happy being one of the flock, but I'm not. >> >>> There's two sorts of sheep. Those who quietly munch grass and get on >>> with being sheep, and there's those that spend their time bleating. I >>> guess that they are the ones that aren't happy being one of the flock, >>> but in spite of their noise, they are still are. >> >> And what kind of sheep are you? > > The sort that's on the way to the works, I think. > We are all on that trip. Cheers, Cliff -- The ends justifies the means - Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli. The end excuses any evil - Sophocles |
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