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Re: Why CSS is better than HTML Table?

Martin Edwards
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On 02/04/2012 04:49, se wrote:
> "Gene Wirchenko" <(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 00:45:11 +0000 (UTC), Removed) (Edward A.
>> Falk) wrote:
>>> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
>>> Andreas Prilop <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Alan_Smith wrote:
>>>>> There are some reasons why CSS is better than HTML table:
>>>> I believe quantum mechanics is better than surgery.
>>> Maybe, but Fanny Dooley still likes CSS and hates Tables.

>> I use CSS in my tables. And why not? They are two different
>> things for two different purposes.
>> Sincerely,
>> Gene Wirchenko

> Yeah, exactly; That's it. Prophets on newsgroups trying to build up
> lack of self-confidence - he's a pain.
> /se

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Jonathan N. Little
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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> 2012-04-01 13:23, Martin Edwards wrote:
>> Tables should be used for tables. Used for anything else they are
>> a confounded nuisance.

> The most vulgar forms of the anti-table-movement tend to attack
> undeniable tabular data too, requiring minced tag approaches (div, div,
> div, span, span, span, with loads of tricky, kludgy, and unreliable CSS
> code) to them as well.

I agree with you here. I prefer to avoid the table as a layout scaffold
with the flexibility that the "promise" that CSS can provide. That said,
anti-table-movement that results in DIViditis is like the prescription
drug that is worst than the disease.

> In the more educated circles, there are endless debates of what is a
> "real table" or "tabular data". What you call a table tells more about
> you than the data. This makes the vulgar form somewhat reasonable. Why
> waste time on cutting hairs when you can spend it on coding?

Agree with your point, and not to diminish it, just a
point-of-information I think the English idiom you were going for was
"splitting hairs"

> It's usually pointless to debate against the anti-table-movement, in any
> of its form. Just as it is pointless to debate on religion or to fight
> against superstitions.

So true.

> The real problem with using tables for layout was the complexity of the
> designs and the requirements on pixel-exactness. In most cases, the div
> + CSS school has just made the situation worse. They keep repeating
> dogmas they learned from somewhere, without ever stopping to cite any
> factual evidence. The most honest of their dogmas is "layout tables are
> outdated".

Also agree. A layout with scores of nested container DIVs and countless
CLASSes and IDs coupled with a stylesheet that rivals the size of the
documents in my opinion is as much a horror show to maintain than a
vintage 90's style nested-table disaster.

As I said I prefer the flexibility of CSS and now with the better basic
support finally obtained by the glacial-paced improvements in MSIE it
makes CSS an easier choice, (again for me). But for many a table will
just make it easier for them to invasion and layout their site. Go for
it! I would say though if you find the need to nest tables to get what
you wish, then it is time to stop and reaccess your approach.

What I think bothers me most about table-layout designers is they
generally micro-manage the page real-estate with static dimensions and
fixed and all too often miniscule base font sizes. To be fair the
anti-tableists are guilty of this too, but at least *sometimes* their
containers are flexible. Now with smartphones, tablets, netbooks,
laptops, and in my case multiple-monitored desktops all accessing
websites, I think designing for a specific screen resolution,
window-size, OS, or browser is the real problem.

Take care,

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