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Hi,

I enjoy the JavaScript content of the discussions here. However the
Ruby and Rails lists are a lot friendlier and people make an effort to
word responses respectfully even to those asking questions the regulars
may find annoying. That or they just don't respond. I wonder why things
here seem to go to level 10 so quickly? Does programming with
JavaScript increase testosterone levels?

Peter

This place has been full of blatant assholes for a long time and I no
longer bother. You might be able to use it as an archive to look up
questions answered but as far as getting any real help, look elsewhere,
there are plenty of great groups that don't have the pucker factor you
find here.

I'll let you find them yourself as I don't want to "infect" any other
groups I might name.

Jeff-

Jeff wrote:
> This place has been full of blatant assholes for a long time and I no
> longer bother. You might be able to use it as an archive to look up
> questions answered but as far as getting any real help, look elsewhere,

I've had great help here. I just wonder why folks get so riled so
quickly.

wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>
>>This place has been full of blatant assholes for a long time and I no
>>longer bother. You might be able to use it as an archive to look up
>>questions answered but as far as getting any real help, look elsewhere,
>
>
> I've had great help here. I just wonder why folks get so riled so
> quickly.
>

Well, the answer to your question is clearly stated in in Section 14,
paragraph 15 part A of Standard ECMA-262. NOW **** OFF!

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wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I enjoy the JavaScript content of the discussions here. However the
> Ruby and Rails lists are a lot friendlier and people make an effort to
> word responses respectfully even to those asking questions the regulars
> may find annoying. That or they just don't respond. I wonder why things
> here seem to go to level 10 so quickly? Does programming with
> JavaScript increase testosterone levels?
>
> Peter
>

Peter, this group is quite friendly in comparison with comp.lang.c or
comp.lang.c++. It may have changed since I stopped following them months
ago just due to the high amount of noise, but I doubt it.

OTOH I find PHP groups little friendlier than here too. Seems that
languages with specifications (C, C++, ECMAScript) create group of spec
worshipers disturbing the peace whenever they can ... as opposed to
peaceful ad-hoc languages like Ruby or PHP

said:
>
>Hi,
>
>I enjoy the JavaScript content of the discussions here. However the
>Ruby and Rails lists are a lot friendlier and people make an effort to
>word responses respectfully even to those asking questions the regulars
>may find annoying. That or they just don't respond. I wonder why things
>here seem to go to level 10 so quickly? Does programming with
>JavaScript increase testosterone levels?

The average netizen isn't likely to try their hand at Ruby without
at least glancing at some documentation.

On the other hand, any idiot who knows how to view source can copy
and paste Javascript and start making guesses about what they need
to change to make it do something cool in their own web page.

Then add in the countless people who buy a GUI web development tool
and start accepting clients, only to have one of them ask for some
feature that requires client-side scripting.

You don't have to install anything to use Javascript. You don't
buy it in a box with a Getting Started manual. You don't need to
know what a server is or understand what a compiler does.

In short, the population of people asking questions in this group
is uniquely ignorant of the basics. Over the years, that has
naturally had an influence on the attitudes of the requlars.


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Lee wrote:
> In short, the population of people asking questions in this group
> is uniquely ignorant of the basics. Over the years, that has
> naturally had an influence on the attitudes of the requlars.

But instead of ignoring the people who annoy them or who are so ignorant of
the basics, many regulars here respond to a large number of newbie posts for
one reason or another. Why?

I think the bottom line is that there are a number of highly intelligent
people here who just don't have very good people skills. Put in a social
situation outside of the internet, they are probably just as ignorant as
they are here when it comes to interacting with others.

I think this is fairly typical of many technical areas, though, not just
javascript.

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Matt Kruse
http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com
http://www.AjaxToolbox.com

Matt Kruse wrote:

> But instead of ignoring the people who annoy them or who are so ignorant of
> the basics, many regulars here respond to a large number of newbie posts for
> one reason or another. Why?
>
> I think the bottom line is that there are a number of highly intelligent
> people here who just don't have very good people skills. Put in a social
> situation outside of the internet, they are probably just as ignorant as
> they are here when it comes to interacting with others.
>
> I think this is fairly typical of many technical areas, though, not just
> javascript.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger's_syndrome

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Bart

Bart Van der Donck wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger's_syndrome

Also can be the "smaller monkey" behavior common for all primates
including apes and humans. (A strong ape hits weaker one. Instead of
fighting back the abused one finds a yet weaker victim and hits
it/her/him to release the frustration). As many posters work
intensively and post at their free time, the chance to happen to be the
"weaker monkey" is rather high Say last week I had to invent some
blah-blah for a client willing "have our product samples posted, but
prevent any possibility to copy the photos out of the web. It is a
must, a copyright notice is not an option". As the contract was too
interesting to just suggest them to go f themselves, I had to ...
negotiate. Now imagine some John Doe on c.l.j. right at this moment
asks the same about his photo collection. Would I just ignore the post
or would I roast him? I donno... Lucky for both it did not happen this
time to check


Also same rather strange people like VK and such always floating
around here.


Also inlike <microsoft.public.programming.jscript> it is a group not
for IE only. On mppj it is all rather quite, medium activity.
- How to activate this transition filter?
- Like this
- Oh, it /works/ perfect now! Thank you!
- Thank you for your thank you.


As in c.l.j. "works" presumes other browsers besides IE, it raises the
problem on what browsers i) it should work (produce intended result),
ii) should degrade gracefully and iii) left without testing but only
presuming doing either the first or the second. At no surprise
different people may have rather different lists they are ready to
fight for.

I take it back...

There are some really great folks here in c.l.j and if someone offends
you in answering your question, you should definately just ignore them.


Of course, RTFFAQ always applies in any group.