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Anyone else having major problems? It was working fine (I guess, it
never seemed real stable) until tonight and now I can barely get it to
do anything. When I start it up, the window will pop up after like
10-15 seconds (which itself is odd) but nothing will load, meaning my
home page will not display and the url will not display in the box,
however the title bar will still display the page name. If I click on
the icon that shows when it's active in the top right corner, to take
me to the Firefox home page, nothing will again load/show but the
title bar will change to the new page name. I have tried restarting
both it and Windows with no change. The only thing that works is to
reinstall it over itself and then it'll work the first time but will
resume the problem after I shut down the program. I haven't tried
completely uninstalling it and then re-installing but I have gone
ahead and reinstalled 0.8 so I can at least still access the web.
Also, why did they change where it stores bookmarks and prefs away
from where 0.8 did? So far, not very happy with 0.9 at all. I also
tried to get the latest nightly build but I'm not even sure what I got
before it said 0.8 in the installer even tho it was the new installer
and not the old one used for 0.8.
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On 7/5/2004 10:28 PM, Jonathan wrote:
> Anyone else having major problems? It was working fine (I guess, it
> never seemed real stable) until tonight and now I can barely get it to
> do anything. When I start it up, the window will pop up after like 10-15
> seconds (which itself is odd) but nothing will load, meaning my home
> page will not display and the url will not display in the box, however
> the title bar will still display the page name. If I click on the icon
> that shows when it's active in the top right corner, to take me to the
> Firefox home page, nothing will again load/show but the title bar will
> change to the new page name. I have tried restarting both it and Windows
> with no change. The only thing that works is to reinstall it over itself
> and then it'll work the first time but will resume the problem after I
> shut down the program. I haven't tried completely uninstalling it and
> then re-installing but I have gone ahead and reinstalled 0.8 so I can at
> least still access the web. Also, why did they change where it stores
> bookmarks and prefs away from where 0.8 did? So far, not very happy with
> 0.9 at all. I also tried to get the latest nightly build but I'm not
> even sure what I got before it said 0.8 in the installer even tho it was
> the new installer and not the old one used for 0.8.

I guess I'm lucky -- no problems with Firefox 0.9.1 -- and I use it all
day long. I've installed multiple themes and extensions, and have had
zero problems. Although it does seem to load slow, I'm thinking it may
be this computer and not FF.

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Jonathan <> wrote in message news:<Y_nGc.17782$ >...
> Anyone else having major problems? It was working fine (I guess, it
> never seemed real stable) until tonight and now I can barely get it to
> do anything. When I start it up, the window will pop up after like
> --- snip ---

===== uninstall all versions of FireFox , delete the Phenix folder in
C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application Data (change Owner to
your username) ... then install FireFox .9.1 ===========

Why? 0.9.1 has moved from using the Phoenix folder to storing it under
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox and then profiles. What good will it do to delete
the Phoenix folder?

mike555 wrote:

> Jonathan <> wrote in message news:<Y_nGc.17782$ >...
>
>>Anyone else having major problems? It was working fine (I guess, it
>>never seemed real stable) until tonight and now I can barely get it to
>>do anything. When I start it up, the window will pop up after like
>> --- snip ---
>
>
> ===== uninstall all versions of FireFox , delete the Phenix folder in
> C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application Data (change Owner to
> your username) ... then install FireFox .9.1 ===========

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Jonathan wrote:
> Anyone else having major problems? It was working fine (I guess, it
> never seemed real stable) until tonight and now I can barely get it to
> do anything. When I start it up, the window will pop up after like 10-15
> seconds (which itself is odd) but nothing will load, meaning my home
> page will not display and the url will not display in the box, however
> the title bar will still display the page name. If I click on the icon
> that shows when it's active in the top right corner, to take me to the
> Firefox home page, nothing will again load/show but the title bar will
> change to the new page name. I have tried restarting both it and Windows
> with no change. The only thing that works is to reinstall it over itself
> and then it'll work the first time but will resume the problem after I
> shut down the program. I haven't tried completely uninstalling it and
> then re-installing but I have gone ahead and reinstalled 0.8 so I can at
> least still access the web. Also, why did they change where it stores
> bookmarks and prefs away from where 0.8 did? So far, not very happy with
> 0.9 at all. I also tried to get the latest nightly build but I'm not
> even sure what I got before it said 0.8 in the installer even tho it was
> the new installer and not the old one used for 0.8.

My question has to be

Is there any reason why it couldn't be done the FileZilla way
i.e. install wherever you want to, profiles (if any at all!) in
the same folder, a plain text/xml/js prefreneces file in the
same folder, and nothing in any registry or on drive C unless
you want them there? I would like at least the option to do it
this way, the simple way, to loose a host a recurrent problems
that've been plaguing this browser line since the early NS days.

my 2

wrote:

> Jonathan wrote:
>
>> Anyone else having major problems? It was working fine (I guess, it
>> never seemed real stable) until tonight and now I can barely get it to
>> do anything. When I start it up, the window will pop up after like
>> 10-15 seconds (which itself is odd) but nothing will load, meaning my
>> home page will not display and the url will not display in the box,
>> however the title bar will still display the page name. If I click on
>> the icon that shows when it's active in the top right corner, to take
>> me to the Firefox home page, nothing will again load/show but the
>> title bar will change to the new page name. I have tried restarting
>> both it and Windows with no change. The only thing that works is to
>> reinstall it over itself and then it'll work the first time but will
>> resume the problem after I shut down the program. I haven't tried
>> completely uninstalling it and then re-installing but I have gone
>> ahead and reinstalled 0.8 so I can at least still access the web.
>> Also, why did they change where it stores bookmarks and prefs away
>> from where 0.8 did? So far, not very happy with 0.9 at all. I also
>> tried to get the latest nightly build but I'm not even sure what I got
>> before it said 0.8 in the installer even tho it was the new installer
>> and not the old one used for 0.8.
>
>
> My question has to be
>
> Is there any reason why it couldn't be done the FileZilla way
> i.e. install wherever you want to, profiles (if any at all!) in
> the same folder, a plain text/xml/js prefreneces file in the
> same folder, and nothing in any registry or on drive C unless
> you want them there? I would like at least the option to do it
> this way, the simple way, to loose a host a recurrent problems
> that've been plaguing this browser line since the early NS days.
>
> my 2
>
>
>
>

Well, on some systems that is (in some fashion) the way it is.

On the Mac for example, the program installs anywhere you decide to put it, but then profiles are (by default) in a set common location. You can move profiles, but have to follow certain rules, so the program knows where they are.

While a plain text js preferences would perhaps be of assistance, why? You can use the about:config to access it and 'read it'. And having it in a specific format allows the program to access it that much faster.

Um, you are obviously on windows, and its the windows system that demands that certain registries be used, much of the choice here isnt available to programmers.

A browser suite such as Mozilla is much more system intensive than a filing system like FileZilla, the program has to 'register' many items with the system becuase it jumps into and out of the system on a regular basis.

The 'profile' system allows you to update without redoing everything, and allows you to store many settings and valuable information (address books etc) outside of the program, where they can be shared, if need be.

You DO have the option of doing it your way, subject to the constraits of your system. You CAN install the program to another location other than default, but you have to ensure the program knows where everything is, as well as the system. Likewise with profiles, you can put them almost anywhere too, you simply have to tell the program where they are (and the system too). You wont be able to get rid of registry entries, because thats how Windows 'stores' the listings where everything is, in fact its those registry entries that you have to change if you change the program or the profiles location.

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Moz Champion wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Jonathan wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else having major problems? It was working fine (I guess, it
>>> never seemed real stable) until tonight and now I can barely get it
>>> to do anything. When I start it up, the window will pop up after like
>>> 10-15 seconds (which itself is odd) but nothing will load, meaning my
>>> home page will not display and the url will not display in the box,
>>> however the title bar will still display the page name. If I click on
>>> the icon that shows when it's active in the top right corner, to take
>>> me to the Firefox home page, nothing will again load/show but the
>>> title bar will change to the new page name. I have tried restarting
>>> both it and Windows with no change. The only thing that works is to
>>> reinstall it over itself and then it'll work the first time but will
>>> resume the problem after I shut down the program. I haven't tried
>>> completely uninstalling it and then re-installing but I have gone
>>> ahead and reinstalled 0.8 so I can at least still access the web.
>>> Also, why did they change where it stores bookmarks and prefs away
>>> from where 0.8 did? So far, not very happy with 0.9 at all. I also
>>> tried to get the latest nightly build but I'm not even sure what I
>>> got before it said 0.8 in the installer even tho it was the new
>>> installer and not the old one used for 0.8.
>>
>>
>>
>> My question has to be
>>
>> Is there any reason why it couldn't be done the FileZilla way
>> i.e. install wherever you want to, profiles (if any at all!) in
>> the same folder, a plain text/xml/js prefreneces file in the
>> same folder, and nothing in any registry or on drive C unless
>> you want them there? I would like at least the option to do it
>> this way, the simple way, to loose a host a recurrent problems
>> that've been plaguing this browser line since the early NS days.
>>
>> my 2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well, on some systems that is (in some fashion) the way it is.
>
> On the Mac for example, the program installs anywhere you decide to put
> it, but then profiles are (by default) in a set common location. You
> can move profiles, but have to follow certain rules, so the program
> knows where they are.
>
> While a plain text js preferences would perhaps be of assistance, why?
> You can use the about:config to access it and 'read it'. And having it
> in a specific format allows the program to access it that much faster.
>
> Um, you are obviously on windows, and its the windows system that
> demands that certain registries be used, much of the choice here isnt
> available to programmers.
>
> A browser suite such as Mozilla is much more system intensive than a
> filing system like FileZilla, the program has to 'register' many items
> with the system becuase it jumps into and out of the system on a regular
> basis.
>
I can understand most of the above, tho I still prefer plain text prefs
where possible.

> The 'profile' system allows you to update without redoing everything,
> and allows you to store many settings and valuable information (address
> books etc) outside of the program, where they can be shared, if need be.

That's fine, but I just crashed it (under linux this time) and it would
not come back up. When it finally did after a reboot I got "default"
in a dialog that could not be used because it was in use by something
else (no idea what). I had to load Mozilla instead. This keeps coming
up on XP as well linux lately. If the problem lies with the use of
an otherwise un-named (default) profile then that in and of itself
would be a serious security issue.

> You DO have the option of doing it your way, subject to the constraits
> of your system. You CAN install the program to another location other
> than default, but you have to ensure the program knows where everything
> is, as well as the system. Likewise with profiles, you can put them
> almost anywhere too, you simply have to tell the program where they are
> (and the system too). You wont be able to get rid of registry entries,
> because thats how Windows 'stores' the listings where everything is, in
> fact its those registry entries that you have to change if you change
> the program or the profiles location.
>

Google's loaded with profile/bookmark/news pref problems going
back a decade or more. It seems to revolve around the program
overwriting. I don't see why a standard bookmark file is needed
at all, but if one is needed then it should not share the name
with the user file. Let's say I picked userboomarx.htm as mine,
then that one should only be overwritten when "I" made a change
to it. And while on this, there are some bookmarks folders that
I cannot get rid of, the user should have total control over user
bookmarks from any first folder name to the last.

I don't mean to knock the 'zillas, love'em really, but as I
once read in ref to some other app, they often seem like the
well meaning buttler that the master keeps tripping over

wrote:

> Moz Champion wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jonathan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone else having major problems? It was working fine (I guess, it
>>>> never seemed real stable) until tonight and now I can barely get it
>>>> to do anything. When I start it up, the window will pop up after
>>>> like 10-15 seconds (which itself is odd) but nothing will load,
>>>> meaning my home page will not display and the url will not display
>>>> in the box, however the title bar will still display the page name.
>>>> If I click on the icon that shows when it's active in the top right
>>>> corner, to take me to the Firefox home page, nothing will again
>>>> load/show but the title bar will change to the new page name. I have
>>>> tried restarting both it and Windows with no change. The only thing
>>>> that works is to reinstall it over itself and then it'll work the
>>>> first time but will resume the problem after I shut down the
>>>> program. I haven't tried completely uninstalling it and then
>>>> re-installing but I have gone ahead and reinstalled 0.8 so I can at
>>>> least still access the web. Also, why did they change where it
>>>> stores bookmarks and prefs away from where 0.8 did? So far, not very
>>>> happy with 0.9 at all. I also tried to get the latest nightly build
>>>> but I'm not even sure what I got before it said 0.8 in the installer
>>>> even tho it was the new installer and not the old one used for 0.8.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My question has to be
>>>
>>> Is there any reason why it couldn't be done the FileZilla way
>>> i.e. install wherever you want to, profiles (if any at all!) in
>>> the same folder, a plain text/xml/js prefreneces file in the
>>> same folder, and nothing in any registry or on drive C unless
>>> you want them there? I would like at least the option to do it
>>> this way, the simple way, to loose a host a recurrent problems
>>> that've been plaguing this browser line since the early NS days.
>>>
>>> my 2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, on some systems that is (in some fashion) the way it is.
>>
>> On the Mac for example, the program installs anywhere you decide to
>> put it, but then profiles are (by default) in a set common location.
>> You can move profiles, but have to follow certain rules, so the
>> program knows where they are.
>>
>> While a plain text js preferences would perhaps be of assistance, why?
>> You can use the about:config to access it and 'read it'. And having it
>> in a specific format allows the program to access it that much faster.
>>
>> Um, you are obviously on windows, and its the windows system that
>> demands that certain registries be used, much of the choice here isnt
>> available to programmers.
>>
>> A browser suite such as Mozilla is much more system intensive than a
>> filing system like FileZilla, the program has to 'register' many items
>> with the system becuase it jumps into and out of the system on a
>> regular basis.
>>
> I can understand most of the above, tho I still prefer plain text prefs
> where possible.
>
>> The 'profile' system allows you to update without redoing everything,
>> and allows you to store many settings and valuable information
>> (address books etc) outside of the program, where they can be shared,
>> if need be.
>
>
> That's fine, but I just crashed it (under linux this time) and it would
> not come back up. When it finally did after a reboot I got "default"
> in a dialog that could not be used because it was in use by something
> else (no idea what). I had to load Mozilla instead. This keeps coming
> up on XP as well linux lately. If the problem lies with the use of
> an otherwise un-named (default) profile then that in and of itself
> would be a serious security issue.
>
>> You DO have the option of doing it your way, subject to the constraits
>> of your system. You CAN install the program to another location other
>> than default, but you have to ensure the program knows where
>> everything is, as well as the system. Likewise with profiles, you can
>> put them almost anywhere too, you simply have to tell the program
>> where they are (and the system too). You wont be able to get rid of
>> registry entries, because thats how Windows 'stores' the listings
>> where everything is, in fact its those registry entries that you have
>> to change if you change the program or the profiles location.
>>
>
> Google's loaded with profile/bookmark/news pref problems going
> back a decade or more. It seems to revolve around the program
> overwriting. I don't see why a standard bookmark file is needed
> at all, but if one is needed then it should not share the name
> with the user file. Let's say I picked userboomarx.htm as mine,
> then that one should only be overwritten when "I" made a change
> to it. And while on this, there are some bookmarks folders that
> I cannot get rid of, the user should have total control over user
> bookmarks from any first folder name to the last.
>
> I don't mean to knock the 'zillas, love'em really, but as I
> once read in ref to some other app, they often seem like the
> well meaning buttler that the master keeps tripping over
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Why prefer plain text preferences, when its the program that needs to read them, not you. And besides, you can SEE the preferences simply by using about:config, that puts them into plain text for you.

What Google does or doesnt do isnt really appropos here. It isnt open source either, with Google you depend on the programmers to write things.

A standard bookmark file is simply a starting point, to provide users with some more or less relevent urls to get them started. And, if you care to do so, you CAN set your own bookmark file, that only YOU can overwrite. You can delete any bookmark in Mozilla. The user DOES have total control, they can change the default bookmark file to one of their choosing if they want, named whatever they care to call it. Again, total control, exactly what you said you wanted.

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