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Dela Lovecraft wrote:
> Is there a way of altering a variable sent as a reference to a
> subroutine in Perl *without* using a return value?

<snip>

> Suppose I had a sub doSomething which added 10 to a value. Assuming
> I sent it by reference, it could like something like this:
>
> sub doSomething
> {
> my $reference = shift;
> my $value = $$reference;
> return ($value + 10);
> }
>
> And it would be called:
> my $x = 1;
> my $y = doSomething(\$x);
>
> No problem. But is there a way I could call the sub such that the
> value of $x could be altered in situ without returning a value,
> even over different packages? Something like:
>
> my $x = 1;
> myOtherPackage::doSomething(\$x); #such that $x now equals 11

sub doSomething { ${$_[0]} += 10 }

/ Gunnar

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Dela Lovecraft wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I was having a discussion with a die-hard Pascal programmer yesterday, and a
> point was raised I couldn't answer, and I said I would try and find the
> answer for him. Is there a way of altering a variable sent as a reference
> to a subroutine in Perl *without* using a return value? As I recall, in
> Pascal, you send to a function using either the value or declaring it as
> var, in which case in can get altered in the procedure:
>
> procedure myProc(x : Integer; var y : Integer)
>
> Whatever is sent to the procedure as x remains unchanged, but anything which
> happens to y (because of the var keyword) is changed in the original
> variable. I think (sorry of the syntax for Pascal is off, but it has been a
> long time.) Is such a thing possible in Perl?

Parameters in Perl are always passed by reference (That is, the
references reside inside the magical array @_). "Pass by value" only
happens when you take things out of @_ (e.g. by calling shift without
arguments). If you access @_ directly you get the desired behavior.

some code: (untested)

sub inc {
$_[0]++
}

my $i = 0;

inc($i);

print $i

shows that $i has been modified inside the subroutine inc.

bye
malte

Dear All,

I was having a discussion with a die-hard Pascal programmer yesterday, and a
point was raised I couldn't answer, and I said I would try and find the
answer for him. Is there a way of altering a variable sent as a reference
to a subroutine in Perl *without* using a return value? As I recall, in
Pascal, you send to a function using either the value or declaring it as
var, in which case in can get altered in the procedure:

procedure myProc(x : Integer; var y : Integer)

Whatever is sent to the procedure as x remains unchanged, but anything which
happens to y (because of the var keyword) is changed in the original
variable. I think (sorry of the syntax for Pascal is off, but it has been a
long time.) Is such a thing possible in Perl?

Suppose I had a sub doSomething which added 10 to a value. Assuming I sent
it by reference, it could like something like this:

sub doSomething
{
my $reference = shift;
my $value = $$reference;
return ($value + 10);
}

And it would be called:
my $x = 1;
my $y = doSomething(\$x);

No problem. But is there a way I could call the sub such that the value of
$x could be altered in situ without returning a value, even over different
packages? Something like:

my $x = 1;
myOtherPackage::doSomething(\$x); #such that $x now equals 11


Any help would be really appreciated.


Dela

Dela Lovecraft <> writes:

> sub doSomething
> {
> my $reference = shift;
> my $value = $$reference;
> return ($value + 10);
> }
>
> And it would be called:
> my $x = 1;
> my $y = doSomething(\$x);
>
> No problem. But is there a way I could call the sub such that the value of
> $x could be altered in situ without returning a value, even over different
> packages?

packages are irrelevant unless you are using _symbolic_ references.

Something like:

> my $x = 1;
> myOtherPackage::doSomething(\$x); #such that $x now equals 11

No problem

package myOtherPackage;
sub doSomething
{
my $reference = shift;
$$reference += 10;
}

I you dont like putting the \ in the call to doSomething() you can put
it in a prototype instead. Or you can manipulate $_[0] directly rather
than using shift.

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Dela Lovecraft <> wrote:

> Is there a way of altering a variable sent as a reference
> to a subroutine in Perl *without* using a return value?


Yes.

In fact, you can alter a variable even if it is NOT a reference.

(as long as it IS an "lvalue".)


[snip: call-by-value vs. call-by-reference]


> Is such a thing possible in Perl?


Yes.


> Suppose I had a sub


Then you would surely read the docs for subroutines (perlsub.pod)
and come across this:

Because the assignment copies the values, this also has the effect
of turning call-by-reference into call-by-value. Otherwise a
function is free to do in-place modifications of C<@_> and change
its caller's values.

and you would have already known the answer to your question.



To get call-by-reference (the default) in Perl:

by_ref($x);
sub by_ref { $_[0] += 10 }

To get (the effect of) call-by-value in Perl:

by_val($x);
sub by_val { my $num = $_[0]; $num += 10 } # make copy, operate on copy


Neither of them use what is termed a "reference" in Perl (ie. perlref.pod).


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Tad McClellan SGML consulting
Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:42:19 +0200
Malte Ubl <> wrote:

>Dela Lovecraft wrote:


>Parameters in Perl are always passed by reference (That is, the
>references reside inside the magical array @_). "Pass by value" only
>happens when you take things out of @_ (e.g. by calling shift without
>arguments). If you access @_ directly you get the desired behavior.

Now i have another question are both these same

sub doSomething{
my ($arg1, $arg2) = @_;
..
}

sub doSomething{
my $arg1 = shift;
my $arg2 = shift;
..
}


Since you (and perldoc perlsub) say that the @_ contains aliases to scalar parameters and when you shift it they become values. Iam slightly confused. Im my first assignment am I assigning the references then ? I have code like these that has been working properly.

Thanks in advance

Regards,
Thens

To al that answered.

Thanks very much. I knew it was possible somehow, but I couldn't quite get
my head round it. I don't do a vast amount of coding, so was a bit lost.

Thanks again,


Dela

Thens <> wrote:

> are both these same
>
> sub doSomething{
> my ($arg1, $arg2) = @_;
> ..
> }
>
> sub doSomething{
> my $arg1 = shift;
> my $arg2 = shift;
> ..
> }


Yes, with regard to call-by-value vs. call-by-reference.

No, with respect to their effects on the contents of @_.


--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas

Dela Lovecraft wrote:

>Is there a way of altering a variable sent as a reference
>to a subroutine in Perl *without* using a return value?

Yes. The values in @_° are aliases to the original values. So modify
$_[0] directly, and you'll modify the first parameter; etc.

For example:

sub inc {
$_[0]++;
}

my $x = 3;
inc $x;
print $x; # prints "4"

It's only when assigning the contents out of @_ to your local (usually
lexical) variables, that you actually make a copy.

sub foo {
my $x = shift; # copy
my($y, $z) = @_; # copy
$x++; $y++; $z++;
# The original parameters are still unaltered
}

--
Bart.

Thens <> writes:

> sub doSomething{
> my ($arg1, $arg2) = @_;
> ..
> }
>
> sub doSomething{
> my $arg1 = shift;
> my $arg2 = shift;
> ..
> }

> Since you (and perldoc perlsub) say that the @_ contains aliases
> to scalar parameters and when you shift it they become values.

No, they remain aliases (lvalues) even when you shift. It is when you
evaluate then in an rvalue context (i.e. a context like that found on
RHS of an assignment) they become (r)values.

sub one {
# Due to a mis-feature of the Perl compiler this genreates spurious
# compile-time error:
# Can't modify shift in postincrement (++)
# If I try to do:
# shift()++;
# Actually you can, but you have to fool the compiler in to not noticing.
$_++ for shift;
}

sub two {
$_[0]++;
}

my $q = 1;
one($q);
print "After one(): $q\n";
two($q);
print "After two(): $q\n";
__END__
After one(): 2
After two(): 3

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