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Richard Maher
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      04-02-2012

"Thufir" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:25:46 +0800, Richard Maher wrote:
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>
>> For others the ability to share global memory in the form of Applet
>> static variables across multiple tabs in a browser instance can be
>> considered the Mutt's nuts! Multiplexing and multi-threading all
>> tab/server communication over a single high-performance and secure
>> binary TCP/IP Socket is also rich functionality-viagra for those who
>> know how to take advantage of a persistent, full-duplex, network
>> connection.

>
>
> Can you expand on that a bit with a use case? By tab/server you mean
> client server?
>
> The user has n tabs open on the browser to the same web app?
>


Yes! Multiple instances of an Applet in a single browser instance sharing
Static class variables. In my case a Socket from a factory. (*With Single
Sign-On!*)

>
> -Thufir


Cheers Richard Maher


 
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Arne Vajhj
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      04-02-2012
On 4/2/2012 1:49 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
> Google is pulling the same stunt that Microsoft did long ago. They are
> creating a variant jar file for to run Java apps on their platform.


Not a jar file.

> They don't want apps developed for Android universally available.


That does not seem as a logical explanation.

> You can't very will implement
> Swing on a cell-phone, at least not this week.


It is technically possible.

See software like http://www.apogee.com/ !

But the UX is probably not that great.

Arne



 
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Arne Vajhøj
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      04-03-2012
On 4/2/2012 6:09 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
> On 12-04-01 11:19 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 4/1/2012 8:40 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>> On 12-04-01 09:16 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> On 4/1/2012 4:50 PM, Thufir wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:39:43 -0500, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>>>>>> People now think HTML5/Javascript is the next big thing, where
>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>> will write their wonderful advanced 20 million lines applications in
>>>>>> HTML5 and Javascript.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're assuming everyone has stable, non-infected pc's. The whole
>>>>> point
>>>>> of the cloud, insofar as I can tell, to avoid annoying support calls
>>>>> which end in either "reboot" or "re-install".
>>>>
>>>> That is not a common reason given.
>>>
>>> Not having to worry about the infrastructure is in fact one of the most
>>> common reasons for going to the cloud. If you look at IaaS, PaaS, SaaS
>>> (or any others of the derivative ?aaS's) all of them relieve you of some
>>> degree of worry about (read "support for") some aspect of IT.

>>
>> Not worrying about infrastructure is indeed a common
>> reason.
>>
>> But I have never heard about not having to reboot or
>> reinstall client side Windows as a common reason.

>
> I didn't have it narrowed down to "client side", Arne.


Well what started it was this:

# annoying support calls which end in either "reboot" or "re-install"

And while it does happen that support call on desktop Windows from an
end user may end with one of these two options, then it would surprise
me if a support call on Windows server from a sysadm ended with one
of those.

> If it is narrowed
> down to that then I don't know if we're talking about a common reason or
> just a reason. It's certainly not an insignificant reason: it's a short
> step from desktop virtualization inside your own organization to the
> Desktop-as-a-Service variant of SaaS. If that isn't a common reason now
> for "cloud" it surely will be soon.


I don't think DaaS is mainstream now.

It could become.

But I am a bit skeptical. The PC has been doomed many times. But the
thin clients or whatever they call it a particular year has never really
gotten traction.

Remember back when Larry Ellison said that the NC would kill
the PC.

I think people actually like their PC's!

Arne


 
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Arne Vajhj
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      04-03-2012
On 4/2/2012 8:25 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
> "Arne Vajhj"<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:4f78f0bc$0$295$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On 4/1/2012 2:39 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>> HTML5/CSS/JS will still be mostly presentation layer.
>>
>> For that purpose performance will be good enough for many
>> apps.

>
> For others the ability to share global memory in the form of Applet static
> variables across multiple tabs in a browser instance can be considered the
> Mutt's nuts! Multiplexing and multi-threading all tab/server communication
> over a single high-performance and secure binary TCP/IP Socket is also rich
> functionality-viagra for those who know how to take advantage of a
> persistent, full-duplex, network connection.


True.

But there are a lot of apps that don't need what you describe.

Arne


 
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Gene Wirchenko
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      04-03-2012
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:02:44 -0400, Arne Vajhj <(E-Mail Removed)>
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[snip]

>But I am a bit skeptical. The PC has been doomed many times. But the

^
Insert "said to be".

>thin clients or whatever they call it a particular year has never really
>gotten traction.
>
>Remember back when Larry Ellison said that the NC would kill
>the PC.
>
>I think people actually like their PC's!


I think they like having something to own. "My data is here!"
vs. "My data is Over There, oops, no, Over There."

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
 
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Nasser M. Abbasi
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      04-03-2012
On 4/2/2012 7:02 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

>
> I think people actually like their PC's!
>


"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."

Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation.

I guess he also believed in "cloud" computing as well.

--Nasser
 
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Gene Wirchenko
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      04-03-2012
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:42:02 -0500, "Nasser M. Abbasi" <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>On 4/2/2012 7:02 PM, Arne Vajhj wrote:


>> I think people actually like their PC's!


>"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."
>
>Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation.
>
>I guess he also believed in "cloud" computing as well.


No, it is just that there was no perceived need for computers in
the home. In these days of computer saturation, that may be hard to
understand, but it was so.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
 
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Arne Vajhøj
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      04-03-2012
On 4/2/2012 11:42 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
> On 4/2/2012 7:02 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> I think people actually like their PC's!

>
> "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."
>
> Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation.
>
> I guess he also believed in "cloud" computing as well.


He believed in time sharing computers.

And the widely spread quote may have been out of
context - at least that is the claim at:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/kenolsen.asp

Arne


 
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Arne Vajhj
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      04-03-2012
On 4/3/2012 12:46 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> On 4/3/2012 8:13 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:42:02 -0500, "Nasser M. Abbasi"<(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/2/2012 7:02 PM, Arne Vajhj wrote:

>>
>>>> I think people actually like their PC's!

>>
>>> "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."
>>>
>>> Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation.
>>>
>>> I guess he also believed in "cloud" computing as well.

>>
>> No, it is just that there was no perceived need for computers in
>> the home. In these days of computer saturation, that may be hard to
>> understand, but it was so.

>
> There was not even a perceived need for *computing* in the home.


The quote is from 1977.

The same year as Apple introduced the Apple II.

Arne


 
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Gene Wirchenko
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      04-04-2012
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:35:26 -0400, Arne Vajhj <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>On 4/2/2012 11:42 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>> On 4/2/2012 7:02 PM, Arne Vajhj wrote:
>>> I think people actually like their PC's!

>>
>> "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."
>>
>> Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation.
>>
>> I guess he also believed in "cloud" computing as well.

>
>He believed in time sharing computers.
>
>And the widely spread quote may have been out of
>context - at least that is the claim at:
> http://www.snopes.com/quotes/kenolsen.asp


Thank you for the link. That makes a lot more sense. There
still are silly computer quotes. The one I really like is:

Popular Mechanics, March 1949, p. 258: "Where a calculator on the
ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons,
computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and perhaps
weigh 1 1/2 tons."

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Gene Wirchenko
 
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