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ASP.Net pages can be coded in Notepad. The IDE is not needed, but it does
help with some things. If you don't like the drag-drop, switch tto code
view.

I don't think anyone has "forbidden" anyone from talking about classic ASP
.... I think the number of users of the technology has dropped dramatically.
Mojo wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Please don't think I'm a troll and apols for the multi-post as I
> don't know at the mo, which is the best NG for this kind of msg.
>
> Believe it or not, I was a day-to-day dev/lover of ASP classic some 5
> or so years ago, but work took me away from the whole web/asp scene.
> Fate (and my job) has brought me back and it seems like I've been
> kept in stasis and the four horsemen of the ASP apocolypse have been
> in and ravaged the world of ASP classic.
>
> ASP code seemed to be everywhere on google, but now everything has
> been taken over by .net or something else. Its like somebody has put
> ASP classic in a cupboard and we're not allowed to talk about it!
> The NGs seem to have taken a battering as well.
>
> I've been a good lad and had a look at ASP.net (honestly I've never
> even seen it until this week!) and all I can see is that they've
> forced us to use an IDE and dumbed classic down. I know the last
> statement might seem a bit strong, but all of this binding of
> controls, master pages, block login page modules, etc are all well
> and good for the new user so that they can virtually drag and drop a
> solution into a portion of their web site, but the reason most of us
> coded via notepad was so that we had ultimate control over how things
> looked and how they worked. Working a the code level enabled us to
> make our code text very lean (MS Word HTML what a joke!) and we could
> use numerous techonolgies (eg CSS, ASP, DOM, Javascript, ASP, COM,
> etc) in our pages without any constraints but our brains. MS don't
> know how I work so their 'in a box' modules will no doubt limit me
> rather than make thnigs easier. Am I on my own on this??
>
> The master pages thing is a classic as it talks about making common
> 'chunks' for your pages, but the implementation (code wise) is way
> more confusing than the simple include file method that we all used
> and we could stick these includes any where we want and as many as we
> want.
>
> The only thing that I thought they would do to improve ASP was to
> provide more components/objects as part of the codebase like php
> does, eg ASP upload, ASP > PDF, ASP > JPG, etc - all built-in rather
> than us having to buy (or plead for from our ISP).
>
> Is it actually possible to code ASP.net rather than drag and drop
> objects like Visual Studio? I always did my ASP > DB stuff in code
> as you could do all of this in very little lines of code and do
> whatever you want, but there doesn't seem to be any 'raw coding'
> books out there. Everything is through the GUI, but then the forums
> all post code solutions. Where are people finding these source code
> examples??
>
> Sorry for the rant. I'd prefer to stay ASP classic, but it seems like
> everybody is putting it in the cupboard and moving on.
>
> Rgds Mojo