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In article <jheu0h$3kn$>, ,
bugalugs says...
>
> On 15/02/2012 12:59 p.m., Dave Doe wrote:
> > In article<jhej10$34r$>, , Geopelia
> > says...
> >>
> >> "Dave Doe"<> wrote in message
> >> news:...
> >>> In article<jhdhuv$3so$>, , Geopelia
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> "Frank Williams"<> wrote in message
> >>>> news:...
> >>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:27:02 +1300, "Geopelia"<>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Frank Williams"<> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:...
> >>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:30:00 +1300, "Geopelia"<>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "~misfit~"<> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> news:jh73pg$ejp$...
> >>>>>>>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Geopelia wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> "~misfit~"<> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>> news:jh47gi$vc5$...
> >>>>>>>>> [snip]
> >>>>>>>>>>> Is the St John button dependant on the land-line? If so then I
> >>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>> that there's a possibility that you could get the land-line
> >>>>>>>>>>> funded
> >>>>>>>>>>> for you (and scratch all of the above<g>).
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, Hubby's Disability Allowance pays for St John's button,
> >>>>>>>>>> around
> >>>>>>>>>> $39 a fortnight.
> >>>>>>>>>> They take the money from our bank each fortnight, and it is added
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> his Super.
> >>>>>>>>>> But we still pay for the landline.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Geo, try telling them that you can't afford the landline and it
> >>>>>>>>> looks
> >>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>> you'll have to go with pre-pay cell-phones. You never know, they
> >>>>>>>>> might
> >>>>>>>>> pony up for the landline too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I doubt it, we would be above any means test limit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Actually that's something I might look into. Hmm, maybe not..... I
> >>>>>>>>> dunno,
> >>>>>>>>> I just know that I don't drink, smoke and can't afford to socialise
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> the credit-card balance is *still* increasing (despite turning the
> >>>>>>>>> hot
> >>>>>>>>> water off for a spell..). I'm on pre-pay electricity too and I had
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>> it last to payday - or put it on the card again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have a credit card, but only for my virus program and the odd on
> >>>>>>>> line
> >>>>>>>> purchase.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> YOU DO NOT NEED TO PAY FOR ANY CRAP VIRUS PROGRAM.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would rather pay that than pay for the computer man to deal with a
> >>>>>> virus.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are plenty of Good Free ones, and from what has been reported
> >>>>> yours is not that good at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> The 2012 version is supposed to be good. We shall see.
> >>>
> >>> But when you can get the same or better protection for free???!@##@!?
> >>>
> >>> Do you have a cite for your claim?
> >>>
> >>> c/net - http://download.cnet.com/Trend-Micro...ntiVirus-Plus-
> >>> 2012/3000-18510_4-10440657.html
> >>>
> >>> "The bottom line: Following on last year's big overhaul, Trend Micro
> >>> makes a series of smaller changes to this year's Titanium security
> >>> suites. AntiVirus Plus contains the core features, but it's really on a
> >>> level with free competitors--and that's a hard sell."
> >>>
> >>> c/net Australia - http://www.cnet.com.au/trend-micro-titanium-maximum-
> >>> security-2012-339325555.htm
> >>>
> >>> "Conclusion
> >>>
> >>> Trend Micro leaped forward and took a risk in 2011. It didn't for the
> >>> 2012 suites, but it didn't have to. Instead, 2012 sees a solid upgrade,
> >>> with some clever new offerings. What holds back Trend Micro Titanium
> >>> Maximum Security are its benchmarks. The lacklustre threat removal
> >>> scores don't stand up against the more well-rounded competition, and the
> >>> abysmal boot-time impact must be improved. If Titanium can polish those
> >>> areas, then that would be showing some mettle we could really get
> >>> behind."
> >>>
> >>> PC-Mag, Titanium AV -
> >>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391344,00.asp
> >>>
> >>> "Bottom Line
> >>> Trend Micro delivers on its promise of unobtrusive protection that's
> >>> easy to use. The problem is, both PCMag's tests and some independent lab
> >>> tests show that it just doesn't protect as well as the competition."
> >>>
> >>> PC-Mag, Titanium Maximum -
> >>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391436,00.asp
> >>>
> >>> "Bottom Line
> >>> This suite's backup and file sync feature is both powerful and flexible,
> >>> vastly better than the average suite. Antispam is also great, and it
> >>> offers a number of useful extras. However, its core antivirus protection
> >>> rates poorly in my test and independent tests."
> >>>
> >>> PC-World -
> >>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/24889..._internet_secu
> >>> rity_2012_review_nofrills_pc_protection.html
> >>>
> >>> "I suggest giving Trend Micro Titanium Internet Security 2012 a look,
> >>> but I can't give it an unequivocal "buy" recommendation based on its
> >>> acceptable-but-not-outstanding malware detection and blocking rates."
> >>>
> >>> PC-Advisor - http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/s...3333261/trend-
> >>> micro-titanium-maximum-security-2012-review/?tab=verdictTab#top
> >>>
> >>> "Trend Micro's flagship security suite received only an average rating
> >>> from AV-Test, who found it good at stopping some Windows malware but
> >>> poorer at removing it. In our tests we found the software was relatively
> >>> slow at scanning and would appreciably delay some routine processes.
> >>> This is a fair choice as an Internet Security suite, although it doesn't
> >>> shine in any single area."
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> I've only got a home computer and Trend Micro seems to be working well.
> >> It does take a while to load itself and do a scan, but I'm not in a hurry.
> >> It was included when I bought the computer years ago and they improve it
> >> every year or so.
> >> If I have to get a new computer I'll see what else is around.
> >>
> >> I'm saving all the suggestions here, which are much appreciated.
> >>
> >> Geopelia
> >
> > Today, with the free AV products available - it just makes no sense to
> > be *wasting* money on a paid for product, particularly on a home PC.
> >
> > Selling AV products to me, is like selling cheapish anti-zap/surge
> > protection devices - to my way of thinking, it's just the shop getting
> > more money off you on a PC product that they are not making much off.
> > IE they are increasing their profit - AT YOUR EXPENSE. I can only
> > presume they sold you one of those too
> >
> > I think we'e been over this before (paid for AV) - and the general
> > consensus (did *anyone* on nz.comp recommend paid for AV? - I don't
> > think so) was that it is an unecessary expense.
> >
> > But against all that advice, you continue to pay for your annual s/w
> > subscription to an AV product that has been, and continues to be,
> > inferior to its competition, including free AV products.
> >
> > More money than sense???
> >
>
> You might find that Geo is a bit reluctant to mess too much with the
> innards of the computer. Then have to get out her "computer man" to fix it.
>
> So what about some of you more knowledgeable Aucklanders getting
> yourselves organised and going over and sorting out Geo's machine. A lot
> of you would live less than 15 miles away so it's not too far to go. You
> might introduce her to AVG, Thunderbird and Firefox as well as maybe
> check out the phone situation too.
>
> I'm sure a big chocolate cake at the end of the excercise would taste
> twice as good as any you have ever tasted. :>)

Might find she's got herself a new 'computer man'!

One, indeed, that can fix some of the problems her existing 'computer
man' can't - for example in another thread, it sounds to me like her
screen resolution is running non-native (jeez that must look horrible).
Possibly the old vid card doesn't support the new monitor? (something
the 'computer man' clearly didn't think of at the time when the new
monitor was purchased?).

(Looking in my box of bits, I see a Gigabyte GA-622-32C - happy to post
to Auckland (untested) - http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-
page.aspx?pid=1117).

And while at it, show her how easy it is to remove Trend-Micro, install
MSE (ignorning Woger's crapmark (TM) of course) - and how easy that runs
and updates, and of course, is FREE. Noting the PC boots quicker,
probably runs faster too. Advising of course, that one can easily go
back to TM if she's in love with it that much!

--
Duncan.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:59:20 +1300, Dave Doe <> wrote:

>In article <jhej10$34r$>, , Geopelia
>says...
>>
>> "Dave Doe" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > In article <jhdhuv$3so$>, , Geopelia
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> "Frank Williams" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:...
>> >> > On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:27:02 +1300, "Geopelia" <>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>"Frank Williams" <> wrote in message
>> >> >>news:. ..
>> >> >>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:30:00 +1300, "Geopelia" <>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>"~misfit~" <> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>news:jh73pg$ejp$...
>> >> >>>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Geopelia wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> "~misfit~" <> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>> news:jh47gi$vc5$...
>> >> >>>>> [snip]
>> >> >>>>>>> Is the St John button dependant on the land-line? If so then I
>> >> >>>>>>> think
>> >> >>>>>>> that there's a possibility that you could get the land-line
>> >> >>>>>>> funded
>> >> >>>>>>> for you (and scratch all of the above <g>).
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Thank you.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Yes, Hubby's Disability Allowance pays for St John's button,
>> >> >>>>>> around
>> >> >>>>>> $39 a fortnight.
>> >> >>>>>> They take the money from our bank each fortnight, and it is added
>> >> >>>>>> to
>> >> >>>>>> his Super.
>> >> >>>>>> But we still pay for the landline.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Geo, try telling them that you can't afford the landline and it
>> >> >>>>> looks
>> >> >>>>> like
>> >> >>>>> you'll have to go with pre-pay cell-phones. You never know, they
>> >> >>>>> might
>> >> >>>>> pony up for the landline too.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>I doubt it, we would be above any means test limit.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> Actually that's something I might look into. Hmm, maybe not..... I
>> >> >>>>> dunno,
>> >> >>>>> I just know that I don't drink, smoke and can't afford to socialise
>> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >>>>> the credit-card balance is *still* increasing (despite turning the
>> >> >>>>> hot
>> >> >>>>> water off for a spell..). I'm on pre-pay electricity too and I had
>> >> >>>>> to
>> >> >>>>> make
>> >> >>>>> it last to payday - or put it on the card again.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>I have a credit card, but only for my virus program and the odd on
>> >> >>>>line
>> >> >>>>purchase.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> YOU DO NOT NEED TO PAY FOR ANY CRAP VIRUS PROGRAM.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I would rather pay that than pay for the computer man to deal with a
>> >> >>virus.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > There are plenty of Good Free ones, and from what has been reported
>> >> > yours is not that good at all.
>> >>
>> >> The 2012 version is supposed to be good. We shall see.
>> >
>> > But when you can get the same or better protection for free???!@##@!?
>> >
>> > Do you have a cite for your claim?
>> >
>> > c/net - http://download.cnet.com/Trend-Micro...ntiVirus-Plus-
>> > 2012/3000-18510_4-10440657.html
>> >
>> > "The bottom line: Following on last year's big overhaul, Trend Micro
>> > makes a series of smaller changes to this year's Titanium security
>> > suites. AntiVirus Plus contains the core features, but it's really on a
>> > level with free competitors--and that's a hard sell."
>> >
>> > c/net Australia - http://www.cnet.com.au/trend-micro-titanium-maximum-
>> > security-2012-339325555.htm
>> >
>> > "Conclusion
>> >
>> > Trend Micro leaped forward and took a risk in 2011. It didn't for the
>> > 2012 suites, but it didn't have to. Instead, 2012 sees a solid upgrade,
>> > with some clever new offerings. What holds back Trend Micro Titanium
>> > Maximum Security are its benchmarks. The lacklustre threat removal
>> > scores don't stand up against the more well-rounded competition, and the
>> > abysmal boot-time impact must be improved. If Titanium can polish those
>> > areas, then that would be showing some mettle we could really get
>> > behind."
>> >
>> > PC-Mag, Titanium AV -
>> > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391344,00.asp
>> >
>> > "Bottom Line
>> > Trend Micro delivers on its promise of unobtrusive protection that's
>> > easy to use. The problem is, both PCMag's tests and some independent lab
>> > tests show that it just doesn't protect as well as the competition."
>> >
>> > PC-Mag, Titanium Maximum -
>> > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391436,00.asp
>> >
>> > "Bottom Line
>> > This suite's backup and file sync feature is both powerful and flexible,
>> > vastly better than the average suite. Antispam is also great, and it
>> > offers a number of useful extras. However, its core antivirus protection
>> > rates poorly in my test and independent tests."
>> >
>> > PC-World -
>> > http://www.pcworld.com/article/24889..._internet_secu
>> > rity_2012_review_nofrills_pc_protection.html
>> >
>> > "I suggest giving Trend Micro Titanium Internet Security 2012 a look,
>> > but I can't give it an unequivocal "buy" recommendation based on its
>> > acceptable-but-not-outstanding malware detection and blocking rates."
>> >
>> > PC-Advisor - http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/s...3333261/trend-
>> > micro-titanium-maximum-security-2012-review/?tab=verdictTab#top
>> >
>> > "Trend Micro's flagship security suite received only an average rating
>> > from AV-Test, who found it good at stopping some Windows malware but
>> > poorer at removing it. In our tests we found the software was relatively
>> > slow at scanning and would appreciably delay some routine processes.
>> > This is a fair choice as an Internet Security suite, although it doesn't
>> > shine in any single area."
>> >
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> I've only got a home computer and Trend Micro seems to be working well.
>> It does take a while to load itself and do a scan, but I'm not in a hurry.
>> It was included when I bought the computer years ago and they improve it
>> every year or so.
>> If I have to get a new computer I'll see what else is around.
>>
>> I'm saving all the suggestions here, which are much appreciated.
>>
>> Geopelia
>
>Today, with the free AV products available - it just makes no sense to
>be *wasting* money on a paid for product, particularly on a home PC.
>
>Selling AV products to me, is like selling cheapish anti-zap/surge
>protection devices - to my way of thinking, it's just the shop getting
>more money off you on a PC product that they are not making much off.
>IE they are increasing their profit - AT YOUR EXPENSE. I can only
>presume they sold you one of those too
>
>I think we'e been over this before (paid for AV) - and the general
>consensus (did *anyone* on nz.comp recommend paid for AV? - I don't
>think so) was that it is an unecessary expense.
>
>But against all that advice, you continue to pay for your annual s/w
>subscription to an AV product that has been, and continues to be,
>inferior to its competition, including free AV products.
>
>More money than sense???



This Geopelia person Does not take any advice from people here and he
has No understanding about Virus program, this subject has been around
this bush more times that I can remember.

Why try the help this person when he ? does not take any advice at all.

I gave some time back its total waste of time.

From the 100's of Geopelia post here I think its a Bot..

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:24:31 +1300, bugalugs <>
wrote:

>On 15/02/2012 12:59 p.m., Dave Doe wrote:
>> In article<jhej10$34r$>, , Geopelia
>> says...
>>>
>>> "Dave Doe"<> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> In article<jhdhuv$3so$>, , Geopelia
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Frank Williams"<> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:27:02 +1300, "Geopelia"<>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Frank Williams"<> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:30:00 +1300, "Geopelia"<>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "~misfit~"<> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:jh73pg$ejp$...
>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Geopelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "~misfit~"<> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:jh47gi$vc5$...
>>>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the St John button dependant on the land-line? If so then I
>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>> that there's a possibility that you could get the land-line
>>>>>>>>>>>> funded
>>>>>>>>>>>> for you (and scratch all of the above<g>).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, Hubby's Disability Allowance pays for St John's button,
>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>> $39 a fortnight.
>>>>>>>>>>> They take the money from our bank each fortnight, and it is added
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> his Super.
>>>>>>>>>>> But we still pay for the landline.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Geo, try telling them that you can't afford the landline and it
>>>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> you'll have to go with pre-pay cell-phones. You never know, they
>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>> pony up for the landline too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I doubt it, we would be above any means test limit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually that's something I might look into. Hmm, maybe not..... I
>>>>>>>>>> dunno,
>>>>>>>>>> I just know that I don't drink, smoke and can't afford to socialise
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> the credit-card balance is *still* increasing (despite turning the
>>>>>>>>>> hot
>>>>>>>>>> water off for a spell..). I'm on pre-pay electricity too and I had
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>> it last to payday - or put it on the card again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a credit card, but only for my virus program and the odd on
>>>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>>>> purchase.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> YOU DO NOT NEED TO PAY FOR ANY CRAP VIRUS PROGRAM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would rather pay that than pay for the computer man to deal with a
>>>>>>> virus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are plenty of Good Free ones, and from what has been reported
>>>>>> yours is not that good at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 2012 version is supposed to be good. We shall see.
>>>>
>>>> But when you can get the same or better protection for free???!@##@!?
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a cite for your claim?
>>>>
>>>> c/net - http://download.cnet.com/Trend-Micro...ntiVirus-Plus-
>>>> 2012/3000-18510_4-10440657.html
>>>>
>>>> "The bottom line: Following on last year's big overhaul, Trend Micro
>>>> makes a series of smaller changes to this year's Titanium security
>>>> suites. AntiVirus Plus contains the core features, but it's really on a
>>>> level with free competitors--and that's a hard sell."
>>>>
>>>> c/net Australia - http://www.cnet.com.au/trend-micro-titanium-maximum-
>>>> security-2012-339325555.htm
>>>>
>>>> "Conclusion
>>>>
>>>> Trend Micro leaped forward and took a risk in 2011. It didn't for the
>>>> 2012 suites, but it didn't have to. Instead, 2012 sees a solid upgrade,
>>>> with some clever new offerings. What holds back Trend Micro Titanium
>>>> Maximum Security are its benchmarks. The lacklustre threat removal
>>>> scores don't stand up against the more well-rounded competition, and the
>>>> abysmal boot-time impact must be improved. If Titanium can polish those
>>>> areas, then that would be showing some mettle we could really get
>>>> behind."
>>>>
>>>> PC-Mag, Titanium AV -
>>>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391344,00.asp
>>>>
>>>> "Bottom Line
>>>> Trend Micro delivers on its promise of unobtrusive protection that's
>>>> easy to use. The problem is, both PCMag's tests and some independent lab
>>>> tests show that it just doesn't protect as well as the competition."
>>>>
>>>> PC-Mag, Titanium Maximum -
>>>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391436,00.asp
>>>>
>>>> "Bottom Line
>>>> This suite's backup and file sync feature is both powerful and flexible,
>>>> vastly better than the average suite. Antispam is also great, and it
>>>> offers a number of useful extras. However, its core antivirus protection
>>>> rates poorly in my test and independent tests."
>>>>
>>>> PC-World -
>>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/24889..._internet_secu
>>>> rity_2012_review_nofrills_pc_protection.html
>>>>
>>>> "I suggest giving Trend Micro Titanium Internet Security 2012 a look,
>>>> but I can't give it an unequivocal "buy" recommendation based on its
>>>> acceptable-but-not-outstanding malware detection and blocking rates."
>>>>
>>>> PC-Advisor - http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/s...3333261/trend-
>>>> micro-titanium-maximum-security-2012-review/?tab=verdictTab#top
>>>>
>>>> "Trend Micro's flagship security suite received only an average rating
>>>> from AV-Test, who found it good at stopping some Windows malware but
>>>> poorer at removing it. In our tests we found the software was relatively
>>>> slow at scanning and would appreciably delay some routine processes.
>>>> This is a fair choice as an Internet Security suite, although it doesn't
>>>> shine in any single area."
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> I've only got a home computer and Trend Micro seems to be working well.
>>> It does take a while to load itself and do a scan, but I'm not in a hurry.
>>> It was included when I bought the computer years ago and they improve it
>>> every year or so.
>>> If I have to get a new computer I'll see what else is around.
>>>
>>> I'm saving all the suggestions here, which are much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Geopelia
>>
>> Today, with the free AV products available - it just makes no sense to
>> be *wasting* money on a paid for product, particularly on a home PC.
>>
>> Selling AV products to me, is like selling cheapish anti-zap/surge
>> protection devices - to my way of thinking, it's just the shop getting
>> more money off you on a PC product that they are not making much off.
>> IE they are increasing their profit - AT YOUR EXPENSE. I can only
>> presume they sold you one of those too
>>
>> I think we'e been over this before (paid for AV) - and the general
>> consensus (did *anyone* on nz.comp recommend paid for AV? - I don't
>> think so) was that it is an unecessary expense.
>>
>> But against all that advice, you continue to pay for your annual s/w
>> subscription to an AV product that has been, and continues to be,
>> inferior to its competition, including free AV products.
>>
>> More money than sense???
>>
>
>You might find that Geo is a bit reluctant to mess too much with the
>innards of the computer. Then have to get out her "computer man" to fix it.
>
>So what about some of you more knowledgeable Aucklanders getting
>yourselves organised and going over and sorting out Geo's machine. A lot
>of you would live less than 15 miles away so it's not too far to go. You
>might introduce her to AVG, Thunderbird and Firefox as well as maybe
>check out the phone situation too.



Not that Utter Crap..

Use some think that works and not so hard to use..


>I'm sure a big chocolate cake at the end of the excercise would taste
>twice as good as any you have ever tasted. :>)

On 2/12/2012 3:16 PM, John S wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:23:04 +1300, whoisthis wrote:

> This is all very well - switching from landline to mobile phone, but the
> calculations people use, tend to overlook the costs that are transferred to
> other people.
>
> If you have only a mobile, then local people with a landline have to pay
> through the nose if they wish to call you. Doesn't cost you anything, but
> it's an imposition on other people.
>
> However I guess that, if most people who call you have a mobile, it doesn't
> make much difference to them.
>
> Personally, I'm reluctant to call people who give just a mobile number,
> unless the call is in my interest and I feel it's worth paying the cost.

I am grateful when people put some thought into if they really need to
call or not, which they don't do with it being a flatrate that they have
already paid for.

IMO if its not worth you paying 30ish c/min to tell me, its not worth me
listening.

> Another option mentioned in this thread is to go for VOIP and do away with
> the need for a landline phone rental. I seriously looked at this before I
> decided to switch my internet service from Xnet (who had given me good
> service).
>
> However, what put me off their VOIP scheme was:-
>
> a) cost of purchasing necessary equipment,
> b) significant re-wiring would have been required in my case,
> c) loss of phone in an emergency if power out, or ISP's system down.

Hardware is dirt cheap, hardly an excuse.

Plug the dect base into the voip router and be done with it. No need for
wiring unless you have to move the dect base away from the voip router
to get better coverage.

Cellphone is a viable backup for emergency use.

> With the old fashioned landline there is rarely a time when the phone won't
> work, even if the power is off (provided you have at least one "old
> fashioned" plain old telephone in the house).

You would be suprised to see how often there is a reset on the line,
relative has an alarm that bleeps everytime the DC on the line
disappears even when not armed, and it often bleeps during the night.

> By the way, to keep this on topic "ISP opinions" - I switched to
> Kinect.co.nz - a division of TrustPower. They charge me $73.00 per month
> for combined landline rental (they are re-selling the Telecom ervice), and
> internet broadband access, including data of 2 Gb.
>
> So far I have found their service people to be courteous but not
> technically brilliant. However, when I've needed to talk to somebody with
> more technical knowledge I have eventually been transferred to somebody who
> could answer.
>
> As for reliability, their system has been "down" a handful of times in the
> 5 months I've been with them, but has come back on line again fairly
> quickly each time.

Seems very unreliable in that case. Were they ADSL outages or failures
on PPP?

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:13:50 +1300, Frank Williams wrote:

Hey ignorant dick

> This Geopelia person Does not take any advice from people here and he

Geo has taken lots of advice from people on here and SHE is very nice about
it, you just don't know how to talk to people.

> has No understanding about Virus program, this subject has been around
> this bush more times that I can remember.

Geo has something she knows how to use and is happy with, SHE is not likely
to be looking into place that are rife with Viruses and it will protect her
puter, just because its not to your likening doesn't make her wrong.

> Why try the help this person when he ? does not take any advice at all.

She does take advice you just need to talk to people so they can follow
what you are talking about,maybe that's something you could learn.

> I gave some time back its total waste of time.

anything from you is a waste of time.

> From the 100's of Geopelia post here I think its a Bot..

Well she is not but judging from your posts on her you are an unclued
arrogant impatient person.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:00:20 +1300, Richard <> wrote:

>On 2/12/2012 3:16 PM, John S wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:23:04 +1300, whoisthis wrote:
>
>> This is all very well - switching from landline to mobile phone, but the
>> calculations people use, tend to overlook the costs that are transferred to
>> other people.
>>
>> If you have only a mobile, then local people with a landline have to pay
>> through the nose if they wish to call you. Doesn't cost you anything, but
>> it's an imposition on other people.
>>
>> However I guess that, if most people who call you have a mobile, it doesn't
>> make much difference to them.
>>
>> Personally, I'm reluctant to call people who give just a mobile number,
>> unless the call is in my interest and I feel it's worth paying the cost.
>
>I am grateful when people put some thought into if they really need to
>call or not, which they don't do with it being a flatrate that they have
>already paid for.
>
>IMO if its not worth you paying 30ish c/min to tell me, its not worth me
>listening.
>
>> Another option mentioned in this thread is to go for VOIP and do away with
>> the need for a landline phone rental. I seriously looked at this before I
>> decided to switch my internet service from Xnet (who had given me good
>> service).
>>
>> However, what put me off their VOIP scheme was:-
>>
>> a) cost of purchasing necessary equipment,
>> b) significant re-wiring would have been required in my case,
>> c) loss of phone in an emergency if power out, or ISP's system down.
>
>Hardware is dirt cheap, hardly an excuse.
>
>Plug the dect base into the voip router and be done with it. No need for
>wiring unless you have to move the dect base away from the voip router
>to get better coverage.
>
>Cellphone is a viable backup for emergency use.



NO ITS NOT, REMBER CHRISTCHURCH, YOU NEED POWER TO THE TOWERS.

>> With the old fashioned landline there is rarely a time when the phone won't
>> work, even if the power is off (provided you have at least one "old
>> fashioned" plain old telephone in the house).
>
>You would be suprised to see how often there is a reset on the line,
>relative has an alarm that bleeps everytime the DC on the line
>disappears even when not armed, and it often bleeps during the night.
>
>> By the way, to keep this on topic "ISP opinions" - I switched to
>> Kinect.co.nz - a division of TrustPower. They charge me $73.00 per month
>> for combined landline rental (they are re-selling the Telecom ervice), and
>> internet broadband access, including data of 2 Gb.
>>
>> So far I have found their service people to be courteous but not
>> technically brilliant. However, when I've needed to talk to somebody with
>> more technical knowledge I have eventually been transferred to somebody who
>> could answer.
>>
>> As for reliability, their system has been "down" a handful of times in the
>> 5 months I've been with them, but has come back on line again fairly
>> quickly each time.
>
>Seems very unreliable in that case. Were they ADSL outages or failures
>on PPP?

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:00:20 +1300, Richard <> wrote:

>On 2/12/2012 3:16 PM, John S wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:23:04 +1300, whoisthis wrote:
>
>> This is all very well - switching from landline to mobile phone, but the
>> calculations people use, tend to overlook the costs that are transferred to
>> other people.
>>
>> If you have only a mobile, then local people with a landline have to pay
>> through the nose if they wish to call you. Doesn't cost you anything, but
>> it's an imposition on other people.
>>
>> However I guess that, if most people who call you have a mobile, it doesn't
>> make much difference to them.
>>
>> Personally, I'm reluctant to call people who give just a mobile number,
>> unless the call is in my interest and I feel it's worth paying the cost.
>
>I am grateful when people put some thought into if they really need to
>call or not, which they don't do with it being a flatrate that they have
>already paid for.
>
>IMO if its not worth you paying 30ish c/min to tell me, its not worth me
>listening.
>
>> Another option mentioned in this thread is to go for VOIP and do away with
>> the need for a landline phone rental. I seriously looked at this before I
>> decided to switch my internet service from Xnet (who had given me good
>> service).
>>
>> However, what put me off their VOIP scheme was:-
>>
>> a) cost of purchasing necessary equipment,
>> b) significant re-wiring would have been required in my case,
>> c) loss of phone in an emergency if power out, or ISP's system down.
>
>Hardware is dirt cheap, hardly an excuse.
>
>Plug the dect base into the voip router and be done with it. No need for
>wiring unless you have to move the dect base away from the voip router
>to get better coverage.
>
>Cellphone is a viable backup for emergency use.



DONT YOU REMEMBER THAT THEY HAD TO SHIP STACKS OF LAND LINE PHONES TO
CHRISTCHURCH.

>> With the old fashioned landline there is rarely a time when the phone won't
>> work, even if the power is off (provided you have at least one "old
>> fashioned" plain old telephone in the house).
>
>You would be suprised to see how often there is a reset on the line,
>relative has an alarm that bleeps everytime the DC on the line
>disappears even when not armed, and it often bleeps during the night.
>
>> By the way, to keep this on topic "ISP opinions" - I switched to
>> Kinect.co.nz - a division of TrustPower. They charge me $73.00 per month
>> for combined landline rental (they are re-selling the Telecom ervice), and
>> internet broadband access, including data of 2 Gb.
>>
>> So far I have found their service people to be courteous but not
>> technically brilliant. However, when I've needed to talk to somebody with
>> more technical knowledge I have eventually been transferred to somebody who
>> could answer.
>>
>> As for reliability, their system has been "down" a handful of times in the
>> 5 months I've been with them, but has come back on line again fairly
>> quickly each time.
>
>Seems very unreliable in that case. Were they ADSL outages or failures
>on PPP?

"Robin Halligan" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:13:50 +1300, Frank Williams wrote:
>
> Hey ignorant dick
>
>> This Geopelia person Does not take any advice from people here and he
>
> Geo has taken lots of advice from people on here and SHE is very nice
> about
> it, you just don't know how to talk to people.
>
>> has No understanding about Virus program, this subject has been around
>> this bush more times that I can remember.
>
> Geo has something she knows how to use and is happy with, SHE is not
> likely
> to be looking into place that are rife with Viruses and it will protect
> her
> puter, just because its not to your likening doesn't make her wrong.
>
>> Why try the help this person when he ? does not take any advice at all.
>
> She does take advice you just need to talk to people so they can follow
> what you are talking about,maybe that's something you could learn.
>
>> I gave some time back its total waste of time.
>
> anything from you is a waste of time.
>
>> From the 100's of Geopelia post here I think its a Bot..
>
> Well she is not but judging from your posts on her you are an unclued
> arrogant impatient person.
>

Hey don't fight over me chaps!

I don't worry, I've been called everything from a socialist mungbean to a
Nazi witch over on nz.general.
(And some stuff a lady can't repeat).

On 2/15/2012 9:59 PM, Frank Williams wrote:


>> Cellphone is a viable backup for emergency use.
>
>
>
> DONT YOU REMEMBER THAT THEY HAD TO SHIP STACKS OF LAND LINE PHONES TO
> CHRISTCHURCH.

Yes, and I believe that is soley because they needed no power for people
that didnt have solutions to operate when the grid goes down.

I do to a degree, with a small generator to charge my mobile, the
network stayed up very well and you never hear from the many people that
lost PSTN when the cables were damaged with a massive long repair timeframe.

In article <jhg1bi$in4$>, , Geopelia
says...
>
> "Robin Halligan" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:13:50 +1300, Frank Williams wrote:
> >
> > Hey ignorant dick
> >
> >> This Geopelia person Does not take any advice from people here and he
> >
> > Geo has taken lots of advice from people on here and SHE is very nice
> > about
> > it, you just don't know how to talk to people.
> >
> >> has No understanding about Virus program, this subject has been around
> >> this bush more times that I can remember.
> >
> > Geo has something she knows how to use and is happy with, SHE is not
> > likely
> > to be looking into place that are rife with Viruses and it will protect
> > her
> > puter, just because its not to your likening doesn't make her wrong.
> >
> >> Why try the help this person when he ? does not take any advice at all.
> >
> > She does take advice you just need to talk to people so they can follow
> > what you are talking about,maybe that's something you could learn.
> >
> >> I gave some time back its total waste of time.
> >
> > anything from you is a waste of time.
> >
> >> From the 100's of Geopelia post here I think its a Bot..
> >
> > Well she is not but judging from your posts on her you are an unclued
> > arrogant impatient person.
> >
>
> Hey don't fight over me chaps!
>
> I don't worry, I've been called everything from a socialist mungbean to a
> Nazi witch over on nz.general.
> (And some stuff a lady can't repeat).

Tough as old boots eh , LOL

--
Duncan.