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alabaster wrote:
> Any chance Thunderbird can interface with Hotmail accounts, like OE?
>
> chris.
>
>
>
> "Bryan Harrison" <> wrote in message
> news:bjsm9n$ovn$...
>
>>Unless you want an intergrated Mail Package, then Mozilla
>>Thunderbird is ya baby. It has replaced my IE browser and I
>>won't be going back. Opera is ok too and independent of OS,
>>but it always seems a bit bloated for my tastes.
>>
>>Bryan
>>
>>alabaster wrote:
>>
>>>I'm looking for an alternative to IE. Is Mozilla a standalone program
>
> (like
>
>>>Opera), or does it integrate with explorer?
>>>
>>>The main thing I'm looking for is to have a browser which isn't so
>
> tightly
>
>>>integrated into the OS and shell. I feel like everything I do in IE
>
> just
>
>>>leaves fingerprints all over my computer. I need to keep my PC running
>>>squeaky clean for professional audio production, and I feel like using
>
> IE a
>
>>>lot just bloats and mucks up my system.
>>>
>>>I do need to use the internet a great deal, but I feel like a standalone
>>>browser which keeps all the cookies, favorites, temp files, etc. etc. in
>
> its
>
>>>own domain will interfere less with my OS. I'll still use IE
>
> occasionally,
>
>>>but I want a less intrusive browser for everyday use.
>>>
>>>Is Mozilla what i want?
>>>
>>>thanks,
>>>chris.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
There is a freeware ap called Hotmail Popper that will allow you to do this.

I've never used Hotmail myself, but I use a similar thing for Yahoo,
called YahooPops, which works pretty well.

http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop/

Lee

Whilst decanting a beer Gnomalarta smiled when he saw that alabaster had
written in news:0or8b.1657$:

> Any chance Thunderbird can interface with Hotmail accounts, like OE?
>
> chris.

Sadly no. Hotmail uses non-standard protocols.
See http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/faq.html#2.3

Thunderbird help is here: http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/

BTW, isn't using the idea of using The Bird and having an Hopmail account
some kind illness


Charlie.


--
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www.peartreegreen.org

Gnomalarta wrote:
> Whilst decanting a beer Gnomalarta smiled when he saw that alabaster had
> written in news:0or8b.1657$:
>
>
>>Any chance Thunderbird can interface with Hotmail accounts, like OE?
>>
>>chris.
>
>
> Sadly no. Hotmail uses non-standard protocols.
> See http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/faq.html#2.3
>
> Thunderbird help is here: http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/
>
> BTW, isn't using the idea of using The Bird and having an Hopmail account
> some kind illness
>
>
> Charlie.
>
>
hotmail popper works fine. you can download it from
http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop/
it's free and has fairly extensive instructions for how to install it.
I'm no expert, so I don't really know how it gets through the bizarro
hotmail protocols, but I reckon it's some sort of sorcery.

Tom

Tom and Gemma <> wrote in news:bk1a71$kvq$:


> hotmail popper works fine. you can download it from
> http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop/
> it's free and has fairly extensive instructions for how to install it.
> I'm no expert, so I don't really know how it gets through the bizarro
> hotmail protocols, but I reckon it's some sort of sorcery.

I'm no expert but it's probably some kind of script that logs in via http
(you can see the connections in the logs) then sends it along in pop
form.



> Tom
>
>



Aaron
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I just got it and it works fine...gets hung up when you have tons of
mail in hotmail, and it doesn't separate them out into your hotmail folders,
but once you get it all set up in TB (along with junkmail etc) it works
great. So long for good OE

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"Aaron" <> wrote in message
news:Xns93FADA4888EFDunknown23@203.116.1.193...
> Tom and Gemma <> wrote in news:bk1a71$kvq$:
>
>
> > hotmail popper works fine. you can download it from
> > http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop/
> > it's free and has fairly extensive instructions for how to install it.
> > I'm no expert, so I don't really know how it gets through the bizarro
> > hotmail protocols, but I reckon it's some sort of sorcery.
>
> I'm no expert but it's probably some kind of script that logs in via http
> (you can see the connections in the logs) then sends it along in pop
> form.
>
>
>
> > Tom
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Aaron
> --
> Want to learn how to use Winboard and the 150+ free Winboard
> Chess engines?Visit http://www.aarontay.per.sg/Winboard/

To put it as succinctly as possible: Mozilla (current release is
v1.5-RC2) is far superior to IE in every way I can see.

This is not just speaking as a layman; I was a MCSE with an 18-year
career in Information Technology (until lung disease forced me into
medical retirement nearly 2 years back). About IE, to paraphrase Dave
Bowman (from "2001: A Space Odyssey"), "My God, its full of holes!"

From a security standpoint alone, try running IE and then the current
Mozilla install by the free security check at this site:
http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/index.php -- it is an independent
Browser Security Test. Running IE across this has shown me many MAJOR
seciruty breaches in IE; and I have never got anything more than a MINOR
hit on Mozilla, and those have all been things that could be easily
fixed in the Mozilla Preferences panel.

Not to mention the fact that you are rightly concerned with the
"footprints" left by IE -- some of these are frightening, unless you
happen to be a huge fan of US Attorney General John Ashcroft and the
"Patriot Act". By contrast, you can very easily setup Mozilla to leave
very little or virtually nothing in its wake.

Since I have been in retirement, I have dumped IE almost completely -- I
rarely use it for anything; the only use I have for it is an occasional
use of the MHTML web-page save feature, and I try vehemently not to use
it either...

There is literally no reason that you should need to use IE on a
day-to-day basis. Dump it at Warp-9!

alabaster wrote:
> I'm looking for an alternative to IE. Is Mozilla a standalone program (like
> Opera), or does it integrate with explorer?
>
> The main thing I'm looking for is to have a browser which isn't so tightly
> integrated into the OS and shell. I feel like everything I do in IE just
> leaves fingerprints all over my computer. I need to keep my PC running
> squeaky clean for professional audio production, and I feel like using IE a
> lot just bloats and mucks up my system.
>
> I do need to use the internet a great deal, but I feel like a standalone
> browser which keeps all the cookies, favorites, temp files, etc. etc. in its
> own domain will interfere less with my OS. I'll still use IE occasionally,
> but I want a less intrusive browser for everyday use.
>
> Is Mozilla what i want?
>
> thanks,
> chris.
>
>

Oh my Gosh... No, I definetely disagree with you. IE had security holes that
won't affect you if you apply security patches.
You can visit any web sites with lots of DHTML with IE. Now Mozilla is a
real piece of c**p. Try Mozilla for a week, you'll see what I'm talking
about. There are many pages (the nicest on the web actually) that won't
display nice menus, behaviors on the pages and so forth...
Mozilla is very slow on some sites, whereas IE is quick. I have seen even
sites that don't even appear in Mozilla!
I watch streaming video everyday (broadcast news) with IE, but I can't with
Mozilla - The page remains blank, it won't load (the page uses advanced
JavaScript).
Firebird is a little better but these problems remain...
V.


"Stephen Burnett" <> escreveu na mensagem
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> To put it as succinctly as possible: Mozilla (current release is
> v1.5-RC2) is far superior to IE in every way I can see.
>
> This is not just speaking as a layman; I was a MCSE with an 18-year
> career in Information Technology (until lung disease forced me into
> medical retirement nearly 2 years back). About IE, to paraphrase Dave
> Bowman (from "2001: A Space Odyssey"), "My God, its full of holes!"
>
> From a security standpoint alone, try running IE and then the current
> Mozilla install by the free security check at this site:
> http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/index.php -- it is an independent
> Browser Security Test. Running IE across this has shown me many MAJOR
> seciruty breaches in IE; and I have never got anything more than a MINOR
> hit on Mozilla, and those have all been things that could be easily
> fixed in the Mozilla Preferences panel.
>
> Not to mention the fact that you are rightly concerned with the
> "footprints" left by IE -- some of these are frightening, unless you
> happen to be a huge fan of US Attorney General John Ashcroft and the
> "Patriot Act". By contrast, you can very easily setup Mozilla to leave
> very little or virtually nothing in its wake.
>
> Since I have been in retirement, I have dumped IE almost completely -- I
> rarely use it for anything; the only use I have for it is an occasional
> use of the MHTML web-page save feature, and I try vehemently not to use
> it either...
>
> There is literally no reason that you should need to use IE on a
> day-to-day basis. Dump it at Warp-9!
>
> alabaster wrote:
> > I'm looking for an alternative to IE. Is Mozilla a standalone program
(like
> > Opera), or does it integrate with explorer?
> >
> > The main thing I'm looking for is to have a browser which isn't so
tightly
> > integrated into the OS and shell. I feel like everything I do in IE
just
> > leaves fingerprints all over my computer. I need to keep my PC running
> > squeaky clean for professional audio production, and I feel like using
IE a
> > lot just bloats and mucks up my system.
> >
> > I do need to use the internet a great deal, but I feel like a standalone
> > browser which keeps all the cookies, favorites, temp files, etc. etc. in
its
> > own domain will interfere less with my OS. I'll still use IE
occasionally,
> > but I want a less intrusive browser for everyday use.
> >
> > Is Mozilla what i want?
> >
> > thanks,
> > chris.
> >
> >
>

Victor schrieb:

> Oh my Gosh... No, I definetely disagree with you. IE had security
> holes that won't affect you if you apply security patches. You can
> visit any web sites with lots of DHTML with IE. Now Mozilla is a real
> piece of c**p. Try Mozilla for a week, you'll see what I'm talking
> about.

Actually I use Mozilla for several months now. I _can not_ see what you
are talking about. It's working fine.

> There are many pages (the nicest on the web actually) that
> won't display nice menus, behaviors on the pages and so forth...

I do not know what you look out for on the net, I am looking for
information. _Not_ "nice" menus "and so forth". I don't want pop-ups. I
don't want websites to change my statusbar. Specially I don _not_ want
pages to download programmes and execute them, whenever they want.

> Mozilla is very slow on some sites, whereas IE is quick. I have seen
> even sites that don't even appear in Mozilla! I watch streaming video
> everyday (broadcast news) with IE, but I can't with Mozilla - The page
> remains blank, it won't load (the page uses advanced JavaScript).

Have you ever validated the HTML on one of those pages? Try it!
<http://www.validator.w3c.org> IIRC. And what is "advanced JavaScript?
Optimized for IE?

> Firebird is a little better but these problems remain...

At the moment the differences between Moz and FB are mainly the GUI.
The Core remains the same.

guido

--
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Man kann seine Sache auch 35 Jahre schlecht machen.
(Kurt Tucholsky)

Guido Jurock wrote:

> Victor schrieb:
>
>
>>Oh my Gosh... No, I definetely disagree with you. IE had security
>>holes that won't affect you if you apply security patches. You can
>>visit any web sites with lots of DHTML with IE. Now Mozilla is a real
>>piece of c**p. Try Mozilla for a week, you'll see what I'm talking
>>about.
>
>
> Actually I use Mozilla for several months now. I _can not_ see what you
> are talking about. It's working fine.
>
>
>>There are many pages (the nicest on the web actually) that
>>won't display nice menus, behaviors on the pages and so forth...
>
>
> I do not know what you look out for on the net, I am looking for
> information. _Not_ "nice" menus "and so forth". I don't want pop-ups. I
> don't want websites to change my statusbar. Specially I don _not_ want
> pages to download programmes and execute them, whenever they want.
>
>
>>Mozilla is very slow on some sites, whereas IE is quick. I have seen
>>even sites that don't even appear in Mozilla! I watch streaming video
>>everyday (broadcast news) with IE, but I can't with Mozilla - The page
>>remains blank, it won't load (the page uses advanced JavaScript).
>
>
> Have you ever validated the HTML on one of those pages? Try it!
> <http://www.validator.w3c.org> IIRC. And what is "advanced JavaScript?
> Optimized for IE?
>
>
>>Firebird is a little better but these problems remain...
>
>
> At the moment the differences between Moz and FB are mainly the GUI.
> The Core remains the same.
>
> guido
>


Amusing.
Advanced Javascript

Javascript was born as LiveScript, out of the Netscape family. It was
renamed to Javascript a few years later.

So Advanced Javascript is definately NOT MS or IE inspired.

Stephen Burnett <> wrote:

>To put it as succinctly as possible: Mozilla (current release is
>v1.5-RC2) is far superior to IE in every way I can see.
>
>This is not just speaking as a layman; I was a MCSE with an 18-year
>career in Information Technology (until lung disease forced me into
>medical retirement nearly 2 years back). About IE, to paraphrase Dave
>Bowman (from "2001: A Space Odyssey"), "My God, its full of holes!"


I may get slammed for this but I hope not. I'm not a big supporter of
IE but I am finding that it is working better than Mozilla now. I am
using version 1.2.1 because I really don't want to go through the
hassle of uninstalling this version and possibly losing settings that
I have. One time I somehow had a build installed overnight and it
screwed things up for a while and I had to spend more time than I
liked getting it right again.
I'm not a computer illiterate; I just don't want to spend a lot of
time on hassles.
Should I just forget about using Mozilla?