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On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:29:33 +1300, Frank Williams
<> wrote:

>
>
>A friend in the trade is stating no more Freeview, seems like the
>National Party does not like Free TV, so the New Igloo (Freeview Plus)
>will be the thing as the Gov will get a 49% cut out of that, so will NZ
>be the only county with No free TV..?
>
>The so called Freeview is turning out to be a utter Joke with 4 channels
>to close, 2 have all ready closed, the Sports CH , and Stratos.
>
>Seem more like Sky TV is running the country now.
>
>What a sad country we live in..

"Give me a f**king name on a direct debit and it's mine for life," -
Sam Chisholm, former boss of BSkyB.

"Dave Doe" <> wrote in message
news:...
> In article <>, ted.8367
> @gmail.com, Ted says...
>>
>> On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:58:28 +1300, Frank Williams
>> <> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:19:06 +1300, "Geopelia" <>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >>I grew up before TV, and it wouldn't worry me to drop it.
>>
>> >So NZ will end up the most Backwards country in the World, to me its 90%
>> >there already..
>>
>> No, no, Frank! Without the TV-induced mind rot, NZ will end up the
>> most clear-thinking country in the world.
>
> +1

It's just a matter of picking the right programs to watch.
(Prime is about the best of the free channels.)
But you could say the same about choosing library books.

TV needs to attract the sort of viewers who can be influenced by
advertising, and who will dumbly watch the screen during the many ad breaks.
If all the programs were for the more intelligent, the advertisers would
soon complain of falling sales.
And even the dumbest illiterate person has the same right to entertainment
as the rest of us.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:19:06 +1300, "Geopelia" <>
wrote:

>
>"Frank Williams" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:34:21 +1300, "Geopelia" <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Frank Williams" <> wrote in message
>>>news: ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A friend in the trade is stating no more Freeview, seems like the
>>>> National Party does not like Free TV, so the New Igloo (Freeview Plus)
>>>> will be the thing as the Gov will get a 49% cut out of that, so will NZ
>>>> be the only county with No free TV..?
>>>>
>>>> The so called Freeview is turning out to be a utter Joke with 4 channels
>>>> to close, 2 have all ready closed, the Sports CH , and Stratos.
>>>>
>>>> Seem more like Sky TV is running the country now.
>>>>
>>>> What a sad country we live in..
>>>>
>>>> Lots of complaints of Bad reception problems in the Kapiti coast in the
>>>> last 2 weeks, I am getting the same, my mate in the trade seems to
>>>> think they are having Transmission problems, the normal thing when you
>>>> have crap equipments or may be crap people running it, or is this Gov
>>>> cut backs..?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Will TVOne, Two, Three etc still be free?
>>>
>>>Perhaps the government needs to take over Sky.
>>>
>>
>>
>> From what I was told NO FREE TV at all.
>
>As long as it doesn't cost any more than the old TV licence, and we get the
>sports programs back that Sky has pinched,
>people will probably be willing to pay.
>
>But with a computer and the radio, and DVDs for hire, how long will
>expensive TV programs still keep going? If many people won't pay for Sky now
>(like us), won't the new pay programs meet with the same resistance?
>
>They will have to make the programs worth the money. How many people would
>bother with Coronation Street as it has deteriorated over the last few
>years, if they had to pay for it?
>And will people still stand for all the ad breaks and repeats?
>
>One big question, will people be charged for the programs they watch, or for
>just having a set in the home whether switched on or not? Will there be some
>sort of meter?
>
>How much would you be willing to pay per week?
>$5, $10, $20? That's $260, $520, $1040 per year!
>Think about it.
>
>I grew up before TV, and it wouldn't worry me to drop it.
>
And not only you.

From a viewer/programming perspective the question must surely be,
"What strategic and unique cultural asset would New Zealanders be
deprived of if TV1 and TV2 were shut down at mid-day today?"

On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:55:05 +1300, "Geopelia" <>
wrote:

>
>"Dave Doe" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> In article <>, ted.8367
>> @gmail.com, Ted says...
>>>
>>> On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:58:28 +1300, Frank Williams
>>> <> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:19:06 +1300, "Geopelia" <>
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> >>I grew up before TV, and it wouldn't worry me to drop it.
>>>
>>> >So NZ will end up the most Backwards country in the World, to me its 90%
>>> >there already..
>>>
>>> No, no, Frank! Without the TV-induced mind rot, NZ will end up the
>>> most clear-thinking country in the world.
>>
>> +1
>
>It's just a matter of picking the right programs to watch.
>(Prime is about the best of the free channels.)
>But you could say the same about choosing library books.
>
>TV needs to attract the sort of viewers who can be influenced by
>advertising, and who will dumbly watch the screen during the many ad breaks.
>If all the programs were for the more intelligent, the advertisers would
>soon complain of falling sales.
>And even the dumbest illiterate person has the same right to entertainment
>as the rest of us.

While you may well be right, a cursory look at TV1 and TV2 schedules
suggests that the dumb and illiterate mouthbreathers are being way
over-indulged. Their ever-increasing slump-gut obesity only confirms
it

As Roy Thompson put it circa 50 years ago, a TV franchise is a licence
to print money.

In article <>,
says...
>
> A friend in the trade is stating no more Freeview, seems like the
> National Party does not like Free TV, so the New Igloo (Freeview Plus)
> will be the thing as the Gov will get a 49% cut out of that, so will NZ
> be the only county with No free TV..?
>
> The so called Freeview is turning out to be a utter Joke with 4 channels
> to close, 2 have all ready closed, the Sports CH , and Stratos.
>
> Seem more like Sky TV is running the country now.
>
> What a sad country we live in..
>
> Lots of complaints of Bad reception problems in the Kapiti coast in the
> last 2 weeks, I am getting the same, my mate in the trade seems to
> think they are having Transmission problems, the normal thing when you
> have crap equipments or may be crap people running it, or is this Gov
> cut backs..?



And while it is true that the National Party has trashed fre to air
and public service television, the real mess goes back over successive
Government who have meddled in public television and created a total
shambles.

I have never understood why so-called public television and free to
air television are managed across at least three State funded
operators - perfect environment for poor purchasing decisions across
all aspects of free to air and public television..

The Labour Government could have taken regional television, Television
New Zealand, Maori Television and Parliament TV and brought them into
a proper public television service which had as one of its
requirements the management of a digital platform. The environment
for a profit making provider like Sky Television is perfect, picking
off weak and fragmented other operators.

Look also for the eventual demise of TV3 with the rise in dominance of
TVNZ alongside Sky.

Vaughan.

In article <je5518$l1r$>, says...
>
> "Frank Williams" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> >
> >
> > A friend in the trade is stating no more Freeview, seems like the
> > National Party does not like Free TV, so the New Igloo (Freeview Plus)
> > will be the thing as the Gov will get a 49% cut out of that, so will NZ
> > be the only county with No free TV..?
> >
> > The so called Freeview is turning out to be a utter Joke with 4 channels
> > to close, 2 have all ready closed, the Sports CH , and Stratos.
> >
> > Seem more like Sky TV is running the country now.
> >
> > What a sad country we live in..
> >
> > Lots of complaints of Bad reception problems in the Kapiti coast in the
> > last 2 weeks, I am getting the same, my mate in the trade seems to
> > think they are having Transmission problems, the normal thing when you
> > have crap equipments or may be crap people running it, or is this Gov
> > cut backs..?
> >
> >
>
> Will TVOne, Two, Three etc still be free?
>
> Perhaps the government needs to take over Sky.

The Government certainly has a lot of respect for how Sky operates -
more like Sky is taking over New Zealand television and directing the
Government on how to manage things.

In article <>,
says...
>
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:34:21 +1300, "Geopelia" <>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Frank Williams" <> wrote in message
> >news:.. .
> >>
> >>
> >> A friend in the trade is stating no more Freeview, seems like the
> >> National Party does not like Free TV, so the New Igloo (Freeview Plus)
> >> will be the thing as the Gov will get a 49% cut out of that, so will NZ
> >> be the only county with No free TV..?
> >>
> >> The so called Freeview is turning out to be a utter Joke with 4 channels
> >> to close, 2 have all ready closed, the Sports CH , and Stratos.
> >>
> >> Seem more like Sky TV is running the country now.
> >>
> >> What a sad country we live in..
> >>
> >> Lots of complaints of Bad reception problems in the Kapiti coast in the
> >> last 2 weeks, I am getting the same, my mate in the trade seems to
> >> think they are having Transmission problems, the normal thing when you
> >> have crap equipments or may be crap people running it, or is this Gov
> >> cut backs..?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Will TVOne, Two, Three etc still be free?
>
> TV1 and TV2 are not free. They are funded from your taxes.

and they are required to pay us a dividend, maximised by purchasing
crap programming and pandering to adevertisers.

Prefer to not have taxes funding TVNZ. At least I can chose to
purchase Sky services and pull the plug on the subscription.

> >
> >Perhaps the government needs to take over Sky.
>
> Sky has long since taken over the government.
>
> The crass philistinism pervading TV1 and TV2 nowadays - all of it
> condoned by the corporate 'Ignorance is Profit for our Foreign Mates''
> cockroaches that now infest the Beehive - is all the proof you need.

In article <>,
says...
>
> -Newsman- wrote:
> > On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:34:21 +1300, "Geopelia" <>
> >>
> >> Will TVOne, Two, Three etc still be free?
> >
> > TV1 and TV2 are not free. They are funded from your taxes.
> >>
> >> Perhaps the government needs to take over Sky.
> >
> > Sky has long since taken over the government.
> >
> > The crass philistinism pervading TV1 and TV2 nowadays - all of it
> > condoned by the corporate 'Ignorance is Profit for our Foreign Mates''
> > cockroaches that now infest the Beehive - is all the proof you need.
>
> Even One is barely worth watching these days. All yank crap, cooking, and
> 'reality'.
>
> geoff

and not my reality. Many of the so-called reality programmes are
extravagant commercials, dressed up as documentaries which are noteven
informative or of high quality.

In article <>,
says...
>
> On 2012-01-06, geoff <> wrote:
> > -Newsman- wrote:
> >> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:34:21 +1300, "Geopelia" <>
> >>>
> >>> Will TVOne, Two, Three etc still be free?
> >>
> >> TV1 and TV2 are not free. They are funded from your taxes.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps the government needs to take over Sky.
> >>
> >> Sky has long since taken over the government.
> >>
> >> The crass philistinism pervading TV1 and TV2 nowadays - all of it
> >> condoned by the corporate 'Ignorance is Profit for our Foreign Mates''
> >> cockroaches that now infest the Beehive - is all the proof you need.
> >
> > Even One is barely worth watching these days. All yank crap, cooking, and
> > 'reality'.
> >
> Psst, are you able to get TV7? I watch it alot and yet to have it any of the
> above on it. In fact it actually has some US of A programmes which are
> interesting. No ads makes them much more enjoyable to watch

Enjoy TVNZ7 while you can - it is to be repalced by a shopping channel
from 1 July this year.

TVNZ received taxpayer funding courtesy of the Labour Government and
one of the acts of the 2008-11 Government was to pull the plug.

In article <je7n3l$c2s$>, , Geopelia
says...
>
> "Dave Doe" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > In article <>, ted.8367
> > @gmail.com, Ted says...
> >>
> >> On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:58:28 +1300, Frank Williams
> >> <> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:19:06 +1300, "Geopelia" <>
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >>I grew up before TV, and it wouldn't worry me to drop it.
> >>
> >> >So NZ will end up the most Backwards country in the World, to me its 90%
> >> >there already..
> >>
> >> No, no, Frank! Without the TV-induced mind rot, NZ will end up the
> >> most clear-thinking country in the world.
> >
> > +1
>
> It's just a matter of picking the right programs to watch.
> (Prime is about the best of the free channels.)
> But you could say the same about choosing library books.
>
> TV needs to attract the sort of viewers who can be influenced by
> advertising, and who will dumbly watch the screen during the many ad breaks.
> If all the programs were for the more intelligent, the advertisers would
> soon complain of falling sales.
> And even the dumbest illiterate person has the same right to entertainment
> as the rest of us.

Over the last two years I've picked channel OFF more than any other
channel. I now no longer watch TV at all (last watched TV probably Nov
last year). It's fantastic!

--
Duncan.