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I am in the middle of my new system build at the moment. I wish to
install Windows 7 Home Premium but not totally sure how to do it yet
boot wise.

I have the Asrock Extreme 4 Gen 3 board and sata 3 drive connected on
SATA 0 port which is going to be where I do the install.

The board itself didn't have the long socket to connect my DVD-RW
drive so I have had to put in a Belkin PCI card that has the ATA100
long ribbon style connectors. I guess modern DVD-RW and Blu-Ray
optical drives all must just use the new small SATA connectors now?

How do I now get the bios to recognise this DVD-RW as a boot device
from the Belkin PCI card so I can install windows 7?

Failing that is there a way I can copy my windows 7 dvd to my patriot
16gb flash drive and boot from usb instead?

I have the Asrock Extreme 4 Gen 3 board.

Thanks for any help with this,

John

John wrote:
> I am in the middle of my new system build at the moment. I wish to
> install Windows 7 Home Premium but not totally sure how to do it yet
> boot wise.
>
> I have the Asrock Extreme 4 Gen 3 board and sata 3 drive connected on
> SATA 0 port which is going to be where I do the install.
>
> The board itself didn't have the long socket to connect my DVD-RW
> drive so I have had to put in a Belkin PCI card that has the ATA100
> long ribbon style connectors. I guess modern DVD-RW and Blu-Ray
> optical drives all must just use the new small SATA connectors now?
>
> How do I now get the bios to recognise this DVD-RW as a boot device
> from the Belkin PCI card so I can install windows 7?
>
> Failing that is there a way I can copy my windows 7 dvd to my patriot
> 16gb flash drive and boot from usb instead?
>
> I have the Asrock Extreme 4 Gen 3 board.
>
> Thanks for any help with this,
>
> John

One report of a problem here, with the Belkin F5U098V. See the customer
reviews.

http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F5U098V...owViewpoints=1

Based on the angular picture, I think I'm seeing a SIL0680 chip.
The card supports Soft RAID and regular IDE operation. The Amazon
reviewer seems to indicate the manual says "jumper in" for IDE.

The chip above the SIL0680, holds the firmware. The BIOS loads
this during POST. The flash chip holds Extended INT 0x13 code
which supports booting from the card. For this to work, there
are some settings in the BIOS that must be enabled. Some motherboards
turn off option ROM loading, out of the box. In the picture
of the card, you can see there is room for a PLCC socket to hold
the flash chip, but they decided to just solder the chip right to
the card.

http://img2.wantitall.co.za/images/S...1FB1CTiKwL.jpg

Multiple Asrock products have "Extreme 4 Gen 3" in the name, so I
can't download the exact manual and look for the option ROM settings.
(And in any case, the picture in the manual I did look at, was
total illegible.)

If I use my motherboard manual as an example, the setting is
"Interrupt 19 Capture" and by default it is disabled, and
needs to be enabled to make a bootable IDE card work.

Interrupt 19 is decimal. You can find references to
Interrupt 0x13, which is hexadecimal and 1x16 + 3 = 19
when you do conversion to decimal. The BIOS screen may be
using the decimal value for the software interrupt referred
to in this case. You'll see either 19 or 0x13 used in BIOS screens.
I presume a UEFI BIOS still supports this, but how it would appear
on the screen is another question.

An option ROM needs space to load. If you have a fancy motherboard,
with many option ROMs already present (ethernet boot, VESA ROM on
video card, SATA boot), they're loaded in bus discovery order, and
there may not be sufficient room to load the ROM on the new card.
In such cases (which happens on servers), sometimes you have to
disable other ROMs manually, in order that the boot ROM get loaded.
Disabling the Ethernet ROM is a slam dunk, but might not save much
ROM loading space. The video card VESA ROM is a pig, but you can't
do anything about that one.

On my motherboard, I press F8 to bring up the popup boot menu.
On an Asrock board, it might be F11. From that menu, if you
connect an IDE DVD to your SIL0680, enable Int 0x13 loading
in the BIOS, then the DVD should appear by name, in the popup
boot menu.

This is from an Asrock manual...

"During POST at the beginning of system boot-up, press <F11> key,
and then a window for boot devices selection appears. Please
select CD-ROM as the boot device."

If your IDE DVD is connected to your SIL0680, it should end up in
that menu, if the option ROM loaded and executed as expected.

CMD0680/SIL0680, has been known to do some strange stuff. Years
ago, if a person installed a two port 0680 card, the motherboard
two IDE connectors would be disabled. That really shouldn't happen.
But that's another anomaly I've read about. That doesn't happen
with other chip types (VIA 6421 etc).

HTH,
Paul

John wrote:
> I am in the middle of my new system build at the moment. I wish to
> install Windows 7 Home Premium but not totally sure how to do it yet
> boot wise.
>
> I have the Asrock Extreme 4 Gen 3 board and sata 3 drive connected on
> SATA 0 port which is going to be where I do the install.
>
> The board itself didn't have the long socket to connect my DVD-RW
> drive so I have had to put in a Belkin PCI card that has the ATA100
> long ribbon style connectors. I guess modern DVD-RW and Blu-Ray
> optical drives all must just use the new small SATA connectors now?
>
> How do I now get the bios to recognise this DVD-RW as a boot device
> from the Belkin PCI card so I can install windows 7?
>
> Failing that is there a way I can copy my windows 7 dvd to my patriot
> 16gb flash drive and boot from usb instead?
>
> I have the Asrock Extreme 4 Gen 3 board.
>
> Thanks for any help with this,
>
> John

You can google slip stream win7 install and use a USB flash drive or
spend another 20 bucks for a SATA DVD/CD drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135204

"John" <> wrote in message
news:7ea0a77e-da59-42dd-9996-...
>I am in the middle of my new system build at the moment. I wish to
> install Windows 7 Home Premium but not totally sure how to do it yet
> boot wise.
>
> I have the Asrock Extreme 4 Gen 3 board and sata 3 drive connected on
> SATA 0 port which is going to be where I do the install.
>
> The board itself didn't have the long socket to connect my DVD-RW
> drive so I have had to put in a Belkin PCI card that has the ATA100
> long ribbon style connectors. I guess modern DVD-RW and Blu-Ray
> optical drives all must just use the new small SATA connectors now?
>
> How do I now get the bios to recognise this DVD-RW as a boot device
> from the Belkin PCI card so I can install windows 7?
>
> Failing that is there a way I can copy my windows 7 dvd to my patriot
> 16gb flash drive and boot from usb instead?
>
> I have the Asrock Extreme 4 Gen 3 board.
>
> Thanks for any help with this,
>
> John


???

The rest of us would use a USB based CD, or install a SATA-based CD. You're
gonna need a CD/DVD again anyhow, you may as well break down and get one now
so you can build your machine properly.

On Sep 25, 12:46*am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:

> On my motherboard, I press F8 to bring up the popup boot menu.
> On an Asrock board, it might be F11. From that menu, if you
> connect an IDE DVD to your SIL0680, enable Int 0x13 loading
> in the BIOS, then the DVD should appear by name, in the popup
> boot menu.
>
> This is from an Asrock manual...
>
> * * "During POST at the beginning of system boot-up, press <F11> key,
> * * *and then a window for boot devices selection appears. Please
> * * *select CD-ROM as the boot device."
>
> If your IDE DVD is connected to your SIL0680, it should end up in
> that menu, if the option ROM loaded and executed as expected.


Unfortunately I don't see any option in the BIOS for enabling Int 0x13
loading???

I also don't see anything for booting from USB either.

On Sep 25, 1:11*am, Fat-Dumb and Happy
<DancingWithTheSt...@SaysIt.All> wrote:

> * You can google slip stream win7 install and use a USB flash drive or
> spend another 20 bucks for a SATA DVD/CD drivehttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I've downloaded DiskPart so I can hopefully just copy the Windows 7 CD/
DVD (whichever it is?) to USB drive. Unfortunately I still don't see
anything in the BIOS for even booting from USB never mind an older non
SATA DVD-RW drive.

I probably will end up getting a newer Blu-Ray BD-RW soon/eventually,
I just wanted to get Windows 7 installed first of all. I don't even
have dedicated graphics card yet just the bare components I needed to
get the job done or at least thought I could get the job done with.

Cheers,
John

On Sep 25, 2:39*am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ???
>
> The rest of us would use a USB based CD, or install a SATA-based CD. You're
> gonna need a CD/DVD again anyhow, you may as well break down and get one now
> so you can build your machine properly.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Okay. If I use DiskPart and copy my Windows 7 installation disc onto a
USB flash drive, how do I then install it on my new system???

What do I need to select in the BIOS to boot from USB?

TIA

John wrote:
> On Sep 25, 12:46 am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>
>> On my motherboard, I press F8 to bring up the popup boot menu.
>> On an Asrock board, it might be F11. From that menu, if you
>> connect an IDE DVD to your SIL0680, enable Int 0x13 loading
>> in the BIOS, then the DVD should appear by name, in the popup
>> boot menu.
>>
>> This is from an Asrock manual...
>>
>> "During POST at the beginning of system boot-up, press <F11> key,
>> and then a window for boot devices selection appears. Please
>> select CD-ROM as the boot device."
>>
>> If your IDE DVD is connected to your SIL0680, it should end up in
>> that menu, if the option ROM loaded and executed as expected.
>
>
> Unfortunately I don't see any option in the BIOS for enabling Int 0x13
> loading???
>
> I also don't see anything for booting from USB either.
>
>

Does the popup boot menu work ?

You should also be able to edit the boot order in the BIOS
setup screen, assuming the DVD "registered" via extended int 0x13 service.
So you could add the DVD to the boot order there.

The purpose of pressing <f11> is to quickly verify it is working.

Some of these add in cards, during BIOS POST, they'll print a few lines
on the screen. The print statements are coming from the add-in option ROM
code. The printed lines should be noting whether drives were detected
or not. So if you had a PCI IDE card, with two ribbon cables, there
would be four lines on the screen. It might look something like this,
with a declaration of the card name as the first line.

Baloney Brand PCI IDE Card:

Master 0 DVD Samsung 1234ABCD
Slave 0
Master 1
Slave 1

Speaking of which, you have to set your jumpers properly, for an
IDE device to work and be detected. If there was a problem with
the jumpering, that might also be a source of trouble. But a jumper
problem should not prevent the BIOS POST printout from being seen.

On my computer that has the Promise Ultra133 TX2 card, there is
an appreciable delay while it attempts disk detection. Even when
both connectors are unused, and no disks are connected. In that case,
the four lines are printed on the screen, and the last thing the option
ROM code prints on the screen, is that "it is unloading as no disks
were detected". So even if the hardware end of things was botched,
you'd still get informative messages on the screen. And the message
stays on the screen long enough, you'd notice it.

If the option ROM code is not being loaded, then chances are you would
not see the four lines above, in any form. Either there isn't room
for the option ROM to load (only something like 128KB of low memory
is reserved for that), or the equivalent of the Interrupt 19 capture
thing isn't enabled in the BIOS setup. I have a couple Asus motherboards,
where "capture" isn't enabled by default, and one of the first things
I do, is turn it on (even before thinking about adding any cards).
It's just one of the things I do, as I believe it should always be
turned on.

Paul

John wrote:
> On Sep 25, 2:39 am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> ???
>>
>> The rest of us would use a USB based CD, or install a SATA-based CD. You're
>> gonna need a CD/DVD again anyhow, you may as well break down and get one now
>> so you can build your machine properly.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Okay. If I use DiskPart and copy my Windows 7 installation disc onto a
> USB flash drive, how do I then install it on my new system???
>
> What do I need to select in the BIOS to boot from USB?
>
> TIA

If your system is ready to boot from USB, you can plug in the USB
stick now, press <F11> early in POST, and see if the USB stick is
listed in the popup boot menu. Seeing it listed, doesn't mean anything
other than that the menu thinks it can handle a USB flash device.
For a USB device to appear in the menu, the motherboard BIOS must
be able to probe and read a USB mass storage device.

(Example of a popup boot menu...)

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...kEQ3X5C0cpAtvA

Only the motherboard USB ports are candidates for booting. If you
add a four port PCI USB card, that won't boot (because typically
there is no option ROM for such things). The motherboard manufacturer
has a code module in the motherboard BIOS, which knows about USB mass
storage devices connected to motherboard USB ports. At one time,
that kind of code, had its own separate page in the BIOS screens
(providing things such as choices for emulation modes), but that fad
disappeared after a year or so, and USB became much less prominent.
Now, you have to "pray it works".

The flash device still has to have the appropriate kind of contents
to boot. And if the USB device is empty, there should be an appropriate
error message telling you the boot failed.

Paul

On Sep 25, 5:42*am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> John wrote:
> > On Sep 25, 2:39 am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> ???
>
> >> The rest of us would use a USB based CD, or install a SATA-based CD. You're
> >> gonna need a CD/DVD again anyhow, you may as well break down and get one now
> >> so you can build your machine properly.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Okay. If I use DiskPart and copy my Windows 7 installation disc onto a
> > USB flash drive, how do I then install it on my new system???
>
> > What do I need to select in the BIOS to boot from USB?
>
> > TIA
>
> If your system is ready to boot from USB, you can plug in the USB
> stick now, press <F11> early in POST, and see if the USB stick is
> listed in the popup boot menu. Seeing it listed, doesn't mean anything
> other than that the menu thinks it can handle a USB flash device.
> For a USB device to appear in the menu, the motherboard BIOS must
> be able to probe and read a USB mass storage device.
>
> (Example of a popup boot menu...)
>
> http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...M9srqcs4eo31Yk....
>
> Only the motherboard USB ports are candidates for booting. If you
> add a four port PCI USB card, that won't boot (because typically
> there is no option ROM for such things). The motherboard manufacturer
> has a code module in the motherboard BIOS, which knows about USB mass
> storage devices connected to motherboard USB ports. At one time,
> that kind of code, had its own separate page in the BIOS screens
> (providing things such as choices for emulation modes), but that fad
> disappeared after a year or so, and USB became much less prominent.
> Now, you have to "pray it works".
>
> The flash device still has to have the appropriate kind of contents
> to boot. And if the USB device is empty, there should be an appropriate
> error message telling you the boot failed.
>
> * * Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I haven't actually checked the jumper settings but I will do and make
sure it is on master. It is connected at the end of the ribbon on the
primary and to IDE1 on the card.

The pop up boot menu does work. The only thing it lists though is my
blank SATA3 Hard Drive.

If I leave it and don't F11 or F5 or anything it goes to a blank
screen with two lines of text saying "Reboot and select proper boot
device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key_"
I believe this is a message from the Asrock Bios because I know what
the Belkin post screen looks like from use on my old system. I believe
it is the exact same belkin card you have too.

I don't have a clue what the equivalent of the Interrupt 19 capture
would be in the Asrock BIOS or how to enable it. I have search through
the menus but can't seem to find anything that looks like it.

If checking the jumpers etc doesn't work and it still doesn't
recognise the DVD-RW connected to pci then I will use DiskPart and
copy my Windows 7 disc onto USB flash drive and see if anything
happens when I connect that to USB port and then switch on (and pray
too )

Cheers for the advice,
John