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On 26/06/11 14:00, Ummmmmmm....... wrote:
> On 25/06/2011 10:28 p.m., Msgr Scooter wrote:
>> On , , Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:41:42 +1200, Re: mozilla firefox 5, Gib Bogle
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/24/2011 4:42 PM, Peter Huebner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody else have problems with this version? First it lost my
>>>> bookmarks
>>>> completely, would not import backups, would not import html file ...
>>>> in the end
>>>> I had to manually copy the html file over.
>>>>
>>>> Then, it locks up completely at random intervals. Possibly when
>>>> sites are
>>>> trying to load ads that I've tar-pitted via the hosts file, I don't
>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> Very annoying all over. I remember when I tried to upgrade from 3.6
>>>> to 4.01 it
>>>> just crashed, so I never did that step. Now this mess... Looks like
>>>> Mozilla are
>>>> doing their very worst to alienate users (or at least this one) --
>>>> Firefox has
>>>> been my browser of choice for many many years>
>>>>
>>>> -P.
>>>
>>> Rate at which Mozilla upgrades arrive is astounding. What explains this?
>>
>> That there is work continuing on it all the time.
>>
> I've followed this thread with interest - decided to go with someone's
> suggestion and wait for a stable version of Firefox 5.
> Now I have a problem. FF has already downloaded the latest version to my
> laptop (Win 7 64 bit) - and every time I launch it, it requests
> permission to upgrade, which I deny. FF 4 then launches as usual.
> I've altered the FF settings to "Don't automatically upgrade" - but
> clearly the presence of the downloaded FF5 fools it into over-riding
> this & trying to install the upgrade.
> Is there any way I can tell it to forget about it? Or do I just have to
> keep saying "No, don't let Mozilla alter anything on my computer"
>
Temporarily rename the package to "Fredzilla....." or delete it if you
aren't going to install it.

Cheers,

Cliff

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The ends justifies the means - Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli.

The end excuses any evil - Sophocles

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:00:25 +1200, in message <4e0692bb$>
Ummmmmmm....... wrote:

> I've followed this thread with interest - decided to go with someone's
> suggestion and wait for a stable version of Firefox 5.

Every version there has ever been has had its detractors complain
that it is not stable. Life goes on.


> Now I have a problem. FF has already downloaded the latest version to my
> laptop (Win 7 64 bit) - and every time I launch it, it requests
> permission to upgrade, which I deny. FF 4 then launches as usual.
> I've altered the FF settings to "Don't automatically upgrade" - but
> clearly the presence of the downloaded FF5 fools it into over-riding
> this & trying to install the upgrade.
> Is there any way I can tell it to forget about it? Or do I just have to
> keep saying "No, don't let Mozilla alter anything on my computer"

Try deleting the files and folders mentioned in the
Mozillazine Knowledgebase article here:
<http://kb.mozillazine.org/Software_update#Software_Update_not_working_proper ly>



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Kind regards
Ralph

On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:18:12 +1200, in message <>
Peter Huebner wrote:

> Thanks - I've followed your suggestions, things have become a bit clearer but
> no solution in sight.
>
> Safe mode doesn't make a difference.
>
> New profile does not help.
>
> Renaming my hosts file does not make a difference (so it's not the tarpit)
>
> Disabling java console and java faststart -- same old, same old.
>
> Turning java script off in tools-> options: everything works hunky dory.
>
> Clearly it's got to do with java script, it even locks up when I try the
> mozilla support pages with js enabled.
>
> Any suggestions? I've just installed the latest version of Java from Sun.
> As I said, mozilla 3.6 worked find, although it always started to throw up some
> java related error message on startup after the Java upgrade, but it did not
> hang.


1. If you installed Firefox 5 over a previous version, possibly it might not
have replaced all the files it should have. For this, I would suggest
1.1 Uninstall the program (but don't delete your profile)
1.2 Reboot the computer.
1.3 Delete any remnants of the program which are still in "Program Files"
That is, delete C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\*.*
1.4 Then, install version 5 from the full installer.

2. The other thing to check is whether any plugins are causing the crashes.
Try disabling all the plugins at "Tools >> Add-ons >> Plugins".
If that fixes the problem, re-enable them gradually until you find a culprit.


Tinkering with Java won't help with JavaScript problems. As Cliff "Enkidu" Pratt
has already replied, Java (from Sun) is nothing to do with JavaScript (invented
by Netscape).


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Kind regards
Ralph

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:52:50 +1200, in message <>
WorkHard wrote:

> May also be an idea to clean the registry of all and anything FF.

FF uses the registry for very little
1) Windows associations
2) Looking for where known plug-ins are installed

Firefox's own settings are not in the registry.

There are a small number of scenarios where cleaning the registry
could help with Firefox, but these are not too likely. Still, it
is something to try.


> And what's wrong with using a 'restore-point' to get back to a
> previous version?

FYI a 'restore-point' will not do what I had suggested to the OP,
which was a clean install of the *new* version.



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Kind regards
Ralph

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:11:40 +1200, Peter Huebner
<> wrote:

>
>I think I can say with some degree of certainty that the freezing of firefox 5
>is related to javascripts trying to load sites I've redirected to localhost.
>
>Having to turn js off is awkward, other browsers do not seem to have this
>problem with javascript. But it runs lightening fast without js, never mind the
>ads!
>
>Still majorly disgruntled about the bookmark mess.
>
>-P.

I have got around that sort of problem by directing unwanted things to
my internal web server instead of localhost. Then the web server sees
that the request is for a site it does not provide, and sends an
immediate error reply. When the redirection is to localhost, you have
to wait for very long timeouts as there is no response.

It is also possible to use Privoxy (http://www.privoxy.org) to block
unwanted URLs. Privoxy gives an immediate response. Then you only
have to redirect the real problem sites. The only one I currently
have to redirect is google-analytics.com, which I have redirected on
my DNS server so that it works for all my PCs.

If you know what you are doing, you can also make Privoxy rewrite the
contents of the most problematical pages before they are displayed, to
delete the bits you do not want. That is only worth the effort when
you visit the page often.

On 26/06/2011 2:26 p.m., Enkidu wrote:
> On 26/06/11 14:00, Ummmmmmm....... wrote:
>> On 25/06/2011 10:28 p.m., Msgr Scooter wrote:
>>> On , , Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:41:42 +1200, Re: mozilla firefox 5, Gib Bogle
>>> <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/24/2011 4:42 PM, Peter Huebner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody else have problems with this version? First it lost my
>>>>> bookmarks
>>>>> completely, would not import backups, would not import html file ...
>>>>> in the end
>>>>> I had to manually copy the html file over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, it locks up completely at random intervals. Possibly when
>>>>> sites are
>>>>> trying to load ads that I've tar-pitted via the hosts file, I don't
>>>>> know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very annoying all over. I remember when I tried to upgrade from 3.6
>>>>> to 4.01 it
>>>>> just crashed, so I never did that step. Now this mess... Looks like
>>>>> Mozilla are
>>>>> doing their very worst to alienate users (or at least this one) --
>>>>> Firefox has
>>>>> been my browser of choice for many many years>
>>>>>
>>>>> -P.
>>>>
>>>> Rate at which Mozilla upgrades arrive is astounding. What explains
>>>> this?
>>>
>>> That there is work continuing on it all the time.
>>>
>> I've followed this thread with interest - decided to go with someone's
>> suggestion and wait for a stable version of Firefox 5.
>> Now I have a problem. FF has already downloaded the latest version to my
>> laptop (Win 7 64 bit) - and every time I launch it, it requests
>> permission to upgrade, which I deny. FF 4 then launches as usual.
>> I've altered the FF settings to "Don't automatically upgrade" - but
>> clearly the presence of the downloaded FF5 fools it into over-riding
>> this & trying to install the upgrade.
>> Is there any way I can tell it to forget about it? Or do I just have to
>> keep saying "No, don't let Mozilla alter anything on my computer"
> >
> Temporarily rename the package to "Fredzilla....." or delete it if you
> aren't going to install it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff
>
Any idea what it might be called? Or where I might find it?

On 26/06/11 21:35, Ummmmmmm....... wrote:
> On 26/06/2011 2:26 p.m., Enkidu wrote:
>> On 26/06/11 14:00, Ummmmmmm....... wrote:
>>> On 25/06/2011 10:28 p.m., Msgr Scooter wrote:
>>>> On , , Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:41:42 +1200, Re: mozilla firefox 5,
>>>> Gib Bogle <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/24/2011 4:42 PM, Peter Huebner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anybody else have problems with this version? First it
>>>>>> lost my bookmarks completely, would not import backups,
>>>>>> would not import html file ... in the end I had to manually
>>>>>> copy the html file over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, it locks up completely at random intervals. Possibly
>>>>>> when sites are trying to load ads that I've tar-pitted via
>>>>>> the hosts file, I don't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very annoying all over. I remember when I tried to upgrade
>>>>>> from 3.6 to 4.01 it just crashed, so I never did that step.
>>>>>> Now this mess... Looks like Mozilla are doing their very
>>>>>> worst to alienate users (or at least this one) -- Firefox
>>>>>> has been my browser of choice for many many years>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -P.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rate at which Mozilla upgrades arrive is astounding. What
>>>>> explains this?
>>>>
>>>> That there is work continuing on it all the time.
>>>>
>>> I've followed this thread with interest - decided to go with
>>> someone's suggestion and wait for a stable version of Firefox 5.
>>> Now I have a problem. FF has already downloaded the latest
>>> version to my laptop (Win 7 64 bit) - and every time I launch it,
>>> it requests permission to upgrade, which I deny. FF 4 then
>>> launches as usual. I've altered the FF settings to "Don't
>>> automatically upgrade" - but clearly the presence of the
>>> downloaded FF5 fools it into over-riding this & trying to install
>>> the upgrade. Is there any way I can tell it to forget about it?
>>> Or do I just have to keep saying "No, don't let Mozilla alter
>>> anything on my computer"
>>>
>> Temporarily rename the package to "Fredzilla....." or delete it if
>> you aren't going to install it.
>>
> Any idea what it might be called? Or where I might find it?
>
Either. Start to download it and note where it asks you to store it.

Or. Go into the options and look up the download path.

Cheers,

Cliff

--

The ends justifies the means - Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli.

The end excuses any evil - Sophocles

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:30:25 +1200, in message <>
Stephen Worthington wrote:

> I have got around that sort of problem by directing unwanted things to
> my internal web server instead of localhost. Then the web server sees
> that the request is for a site it does not provide, and sends an
> immediate error reply. When the redirection is to localhost, you have
> to wait for very long timeouts as there is no response.

No long timeouts here -- when the redirection is to localhost, Firefox
gets an _immediate_ error from Winsock.

If you are getting long timeouts, I suspect your firewall. Your
firewall may be "stealthing" port 80 even for local applications using
the loopback connector.


> It is also possible to use Privoxy (http://www.privoxy.org) to block
> unwanted URLs. Privoxy gives an immediate response. Then you only
> have to redirect the real problem sites. The only one I currently
> have to redirect is google-analytics.com, which I have redirected on
> my DNS server so that it works for all my PCs.


--
Kind regards
Ralph

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:08:48 +1200, in message <>
WorkHard wrote:
> Ralph Fox wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:52:50 +1200, in message
>> <> WorkHard wrote:
>>
>>
>>> And what's wrong with using a 'restore-point' to get back to a
>>> previous version?
>>
>> FYI a 'restore-point' will not do what I had suggested to the
>> OP,
>> which was a clean install of the *new* version.
>
> I'm not willing to trust the *new* version.
>
> FF started playing games in ver 3. Lockups, slowdowns, that sort
> of stuff.

I have had no such problems. Thanks (but no thanks) for replying
to me with the suggestion of using a 'restore-point' to get back to
a previous version.


> I also did all what's been suggested here. Seems my profile may
> be a bit 'heavy'. But it's too much to go setting up again from
> scratch.

I have only a few extensions. I have more bookmarklets.
Where there is a bookmarklet that will do the same thing as
an extension, I prefer to have the bookmarklet.


With more extensions, you run a bigger risk of being "collateral damage"
in a war between different extensions. These are a couple of years
old, but they give you the idea.
<http://adblockplus.org/blog/attention-noscript-users>
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=530747>


> It's reasonably stable at 3.6.17. So I'll leave mine there until
> I know for sure.
>
> I may, if I get time sometime, try the new version on another
> partition and os and import my profile and see what happens.


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Kind regards
Ralph