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On 05/24/2011 04:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message<l0t0ynlpptf2$.>, Lothar Kimmeringer wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> In message<iretd3$lgu$>, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The JRE carries regularly updated timezone info (which can be updated
>>>> independently of the JRE) for the purpose of running in environments
>>>> that do not sport a perfectly serviceable set of timezone informations.
>>>
>>> Which is not the case with Linux. Why can it not use zoneinfo when it’s
>>> available?
>>
>> Because these files are part of the runtime-classes which are
>> Java and are therefor platform independent.
>
> Is that like saying you can never take the plane from an airport in your
> town, because other towns don’t have airports?
>
>> BTW: How is Linux ensuring that the timezone-files are staying correct?
>
> Much more easily and quickly than any software vendor can provide software
> patches.
>
> For example, Chile recently rushed through a bill to extend its daylight-
> saving hours, just days before the period was due to end under the old
> rules. A zoneinfo patch was available that same week
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/3702>, and has already been
> rolled into the regular release<ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/>.
>
> Has Java been patched for this yet?

Yes, as you would know if you did even the most minimal checking.

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On Tue, 24 May 2011 20:25:01 +1200, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>
> Is that like saying you can never take the plane from an airport in your
> town, because other towns don’t have airports?
>
No.


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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> In message <l0t0ynlpptf2$.>, Lothar Kimmeringer wrote:
>>
>> Because these files are part of the runtime-classes which are
>> Java and are therefor platform independent.
>
> Is that like saying you can never take the plane from an airport in your
> town, because other towns don¢t have airports?

No, it's more like saying, that I prefer wearing my own watch even
if I reside in an area where you can see public clocks very often.


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In message <irg8gm$ibj$>, Martin Gregorie wrote:

> [rubbish]

Interesting how not a single one of you has addressed the relevant point.
Let me repeat it:

For example, Chile recently rushed through a bill to extend its daylight-
saving hours, just days before the period was due to end under the old
rules. A zoneinfo patch was available that same week
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/3702>, and has already been
rolled into the regular release <ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/>.

Has Java been patched for this yet?

In message <10v5xwjy2wwvr$.>, Lothar Kimmeringer wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> In message <l0t0ynlpptf2$.>, Lothar Kimmeringer wrote:
>>>
>>> Because these files are part of the runtime-classes which are
>>> Java and are therefor platform independent.
>>
>> Is that like saying you can never take the plane from an airport in your
>> town, because other towns don’t have airports?
>
> No, it's more like saying, that I prefer wearing my own watch even
> if I reside in an area where you can see public clocks very often.

No, it’s more like saying you aren’t allowed to use the public clock, you
must go by my watch.

Java isn’t giving you the choice of whether to be stupid or clever, it’s
forcing you to always be stupid.

On 05/24/2011 08:04 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message<irg8gm$ibj$>, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>> [rubbish]
>
> Interesting how not a single one of you has addressed the relevant point.
> Let me repeat it:
>
> For example, Chile recently rushed through a bill to extend its daylight-
> saving hours, just days before the period was due to end under the old
> rules. A zoneinfo patch was available that same week
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/3702>, and has already been
> rolled into the regular release<ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/>.
>
> Has Java been patched for this yet?

Again, asked and answered. Yes.

--
Lew
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On Mon, 23 May 2011 07:38:54 -0700 (PDT), loial <>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>
>
>Do I need to do something different in Java 1.6?.

read the release notes for the two versions and those in between to
see the corrections made to timezone data. Timezones are as goofy as
the spellings of female babies. It is big job to keep track of all
the eccentricities.

The later version will be the more correct.
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We have gone 33 years and still it is rare to uncover a user who
understands computers don't work without regular backups.

Wed, 25 May 2011 12:04:30 +1200, /Lawrence D'Oliveiro/:

> For example, Chile recently rushed through a bill to extend its daylight-
> saving hours, just days before the period was due to end under the old
> rules. A zoneinfo patch was available that same week
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/3702>, and has already been
> rolled into the regular release <ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/>.
>
> Has Java been patched for this yet?

Java has a TZupdater (Timezone Updater) tool which takes care:

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/ja....html#timezone

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/ja...me-136440.html

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/ja...es-137583.html

and yes the exact update you're mentioning seems to be there:

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/ja...ns-138805.html

That's what Lew has referred to with "you would know if you did even
the most minimal checking".

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In message <iri87l$no8$>, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

> Wed, 25 May 2011 12:04:30 +1200, /Lawrence D'Oliveiro/:
>
>> For example, Chile recently rushed through a bill to extend its daylight-
>> saving hours, just days before the period was due to end under the old
>> rules. A zoneinfo patch was available that same week
>> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/3702>, and has already been
>> rolled into the regular release <ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/>.
>>
>> Has Java been patched for this yet?
>
> Java has a TZupdater (Timezone Updater) tool which takes care:

So the answer is “no�: you need to download, install and run a separate tool
to apply a patch to fix it up.

How many people are going to bother with this?

In message <iri87l$no8$>, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

> Java has a TZupdater (Timezone Updater) tool which takes care:

Actually the link (bypassing the licence-agreement page) is here
<http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/tzupdater/1.3.38/tzupdater-1_3_38-2011e.zip>.