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Lindsay.Rollo@paradisedotnetdotnz
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      05-25-2011
It's not difficult to get a bootable USB disk — the problem is
that few older BIOSes and even current one, provide for USB booting.
The exceptions are for netwooks and the like.

Puppy linux has a packaged option to make USB drives bootable (HD
mode) and an option for a combo version of Floppy/CD/HD modes.
Unfortunately I've not been able to achieve this combo, but I'm about
to check the forums.

My objective is to get an Active@ installation on a USB drive
that is capable of being booted by any computer, regardless of the
BIOS. With this setup, the flash drive will be a remarkably flexible
device for both data recovery and and some device repair.

I'd like to hear from anyone who can USB Boot anlmost any
computer.
 
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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      05-25-2011
In message <(E-Mail Removed)>,
Lindsay.Rollo@paradisedotnetdotnz wrote:

> It's not difficult to get a bootable USB disk — the problem is
> that few older BIOSes and even current one, provide for USB booting.
> The exceptions are for netwooks and the like.


We were just trying some elderly (up to 8-year-old) desktops at a client’s
place today. A couple of them were flaky, but we finally found a compact
little thing with a VIA CPU on it, with no internal optical drive, but it
booted up off an external USB-connected DVD drive just fine.

The internal hard drive had Windows XP on it (which we wiped), which gives
you some indication of the age of the machine.
 
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Dave Doe
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      05-25-2011
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed), Lindsay.Rollo@paradisedotnetdotnz says...
>
> It's not difficult to get a bootable USB disk ? the problem is
> that few older BIOSes and even current one, provide for USB booting.
> The exceptions are for netwooks and the like.
>
> Puppy linux has a packaged option to make USB drives bootable (HD
> mode) and an option for a combo version of Floppy/CD/HD modes.
> Unfortunately I've not been able to achieve this combo, but I'm about
> to check the forums.
>
> My objective is to get an Active@ installation on a USB drive
> that is capable of being booted by any computer, regardless of the
> BIOS. With this setup, the flash drive will be a remarkably flexible
> device for both data recovery and and some device repair.
>
> I'd like to hear from anyone who can USB Boot anlmost any
> computer.


Haven't tried it - but here's a wee page such a setup - intital boot
from floppy, and pass to USB...

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/use-a-f...endrive-linux/


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Duncan.
 
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Dave Doe
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      05-25-2011
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
(E-Mail Removed), Lindsay.Rollo@paradisedotnetdotnz says...
>
> It's not difficult to get a bootable USB disk ? the problem is
> that few older BIOSes and even current one, provide for USB booting.
> The exceptions are for netwooks and the like.
>
> Puppy linux has a packaged option to make USB drives bootable (HD
> mode) and an option for a combo version of Floppy/CD/HD modes.
> Unfortunately I've not been able to achieve this combo, but I'm about
> to check the forums.
>
> My objective is to get an Active@ installation on a USB drive
> that is capable of being booted by any computer, regardless of the
> BIOS. With this setup, the flash drive will be a remarkably flexible
> device for both data recovery and and some device repair.
>
> I'd like to hear from anyone who can USB Boot anlmost any
> computer.


and this page might provide some more hints (as I don't think the Linux
distro is particularly relevant)...

http://www.togaware.com/linux/surviv...ing_from0.html


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~misfit~
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      05-25-2011
Somewhere on teh intarwebs Dave Doe wrote:
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
> (E-Mail Removed), Lindsay.Rollo@paradisedotnetdotnz says...
>>
>> It's not difficult to get a bootable USB disk ? the problem is
>> that few older BIOSes and even current one, provide for USB booting.
>> The exceptions are for netwooks and the like.
>>
>> Puppy linux has a packaged option to make USB drives bootable (HD
>> mode) and an option for a combo version of Floppy/CD/HD modes.
>> Unfortunately I've not been able to achieve this combo, but I'm about
>> to check the forums.
>>
>> My objective is to get an Active@ installation on a USB drive
>> that is capable of being booted by any computer, regardless of the
>> BIOS. With this setup, the flash drive will be a remarkably flexible
>> device for both data recovery and and some device repair.
>>
>> I'd like to hear from anyone who can USB Boot anlmost any
>> computer.

>
> Haven't tried it - but here's a wee page such a setup - intital boot
> from floppy, and pass to USB...
>
> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/use-a-f...endrive-linux/


Thanks.
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Shaun.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


 
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~misfit~
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      05-25-2011
Somewhere on teh intarwebs Dave Doe wrote:
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
> (E-Mail Removed), Lindsay.Rollo@paradisedotnetdotnz says...
>>
>> It's not difficult to get a bootable USB disk ? the problem is
>> that few older BIOSes and even current one, provide for USB booting.
>> The exceptions are for netwooks and the like.
>>
>> Puppy linux has a packaged option to make USB drives bootable (HD
>> mode) and an option for a combo version of Floppy/CD/HD modes.
>> Unfortunately I've not been able to achieve this combo, but I'm about
>> to check the forums.
>>
>> My objective is to get an Active@ installation on a USB drive
>> that is capable of being booted by any computer, regardless of the
>> BIOS. With this setup, the flash drive will be a remarkably flexible
>> device for both data recovery and and some device repair.
>>
>> I'd like to hear from anyone who can USB Boot anlmost any
>> computer.

>
> and this page might provide some more hints (as I don't think the
> Linux distro is particularly relevant)...
>
> http://www.togaware.com/linux/surviv...ing_from0.html


Cool. Again, tyvm.
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Shaun.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


 
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~misfit~
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      05-25-2011
Somewhere on teh intarwebs EMB wrote:
> On 25/05/2011 5:45 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Dave Doe wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> On Ultimate Boot CD though, perhaps you might like to try first,
>>> Hiren's Boot CD (similar to UBCD, but much more Windows orientated).
>>> It has several password changers IIRC. So that may get you your
>>> admin access.

>>
>> Wee tangential trip here but do you know if either of those has
>> hdparm on it? Is it difficult to make a bootable USB? Last time I
>> tried I gave up after a couple hours Googling around in circles.
>> It'd be handy to carry on my keychain, it's amazing how often I get
>> asked to do 'support' when I'm not expecting it. :-/

>
> Bootable USB in one easy step using HPs utility - this was the first
> hit when I googled for it.
>
> http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=197


Thanks bud, I'll look at it tomorrow, I'd best try to get some sleep now.
I've tried with the HP utility before and had no luck. Hopefully this time's
different. Then I only need to work out what to put on it to be most useful
for hardware troubleshooting and malware removal.
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Shaun.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Cheers,


 
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~misfit~
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      05-27-2011
Somewhere on teh intarwebs EMB wrote:
> On 26/05/2011 1:17 a.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs EMB wrote:
>>> On 25/05/2011 5:45 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Dave Doe wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>> On Ultimate Boot CD though, perhaps you might like to try first,
>>>>> Hiren's Boot CD (similar to UBCD, but much more Windows
>>>>> orientated). It has several password changers IIRC. So that may
>>>>> get you your admin access.
>>>>
>>>> Wee tangential trip here but do you know if either of those has
>>>> hdparm on it? Is it difficult to make a bootable USB? Last time I
>>>> tried I gave up after a couple hours Googling around in circles.
>>>> It'd be handy to carry on my keychain, it's amazing how often I get
>>>> asked to do 'support' when I'm not expecting it. :-/
>>>
>>> Bootable USB in one easy step using HPs utility - this was the first
>>> hit when I googled for it.
>>>
>>> http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=197

>>
>> Thanks bud, I'll look at it tomorrow, I'd best try to get some sleep
>> now. I've tried with the HP utility before and had no luck.
>> Hopefully this time's different. Then I only need to work out what
>> to put on it to be most useful for hardware troubleshooting and
>> malware removal.

>
> UBCD or SystemRescueCD or Hirens all cover most of the bases quite
> well.


Excellent, cheers. Excuse my ignorance but do I just d/l either of those
'discs' and copy the files onto my USB once I've made it bootable? (I guess
Google will tell me, I could try again....)

I'd still like to get hdparm on one as I have a passworded 2.5" SATA HDD.
Some clown who sold the lappie to the person I bought it off (apparently)
did a secure wipe of the disk but neglected to remove the p/w. I've read
that if you boot a lappie with a USB that has hdparm (but without the HDD
present as the BIOS will baulk) and then fit the disk after it's booted you
can wipe the password using hdparm.

<shrug> It's not *that* important I guess, it's been sitting here for about
a year now but a 250GB HDD is sorta worth having. Actually I'm not sure
where it is right now, LOL.

I have to look into portable apps too. For the longest time I've wanted to
have my own bookmarks etcetera to access things when I've been out visiting.
Someone suggested that I set up a portable installation of Firefox on a USB
and use that. I could also use it between my own machines as I have a few.
It'd be great to have it on the same stick as the bootable diagnostics. Two
partitions perhaps? I have a 4GB stick that I carry with me, that should be
big enough. I don't know how possible, or easy that would be.

Best,
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


 
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~misfit~
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      05-27-2011
Somewhere on teh intarwebs EMB wrote:
> On 26/05/2011 1:17 a.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs EMB wrote:
>>> On 25/05/2011 5:45 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Dave Doe wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>> On Ultimate Boot CD though, perhaps you might like to try first,
>>>>> Hiren's Boot CD (similar to UBCD, but much more Windows
>>>>> orientated). It has several password changers IIRC. So that may
>>>>> get you your admin access.
>>>>
>>>> Wee tangential trip here but do you know if either of those has
>>>> hdparm on it? Is it difficult to make a bootable USB? Last time I
>>>> tried I gave up after a couple hours Googling around in circles.
>>>> It'd be handy to carry on my keychain, it's amazing how often I get
>>>> asked to do 'support' when I'm not expecting it. :-/
>>>
>>> Bootable USB in one easy step using HPs utility - this was the first
>>> hit when I googled for it.
>>>
>>> http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=197

>>
>> Thanks bud, I'll look at it tomorrow, I'd best try to get some sleep
>> now. I've tried with the HP utility before and had no luck.
>> Hopefully this time's different. Then I only need to work out what
>> to put on it to be most useful for hardware troubleshooting and
>> malware removal.

>
> UBCD or SystemRescueCD or Hirens all cover most of the bases quite
> well.


I must be going insane because I've spent nearly an hour checking out
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd in both Firefox and IE and can't find a
'Download' link anywhere!

I'm going to watch something on TV dammit!
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


 
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Squiggle
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      05-27-2011
On 27/05/2011 5:49 p.m., ~misfit~ threw some characters down the intarwebs:

> I must be going insane because I've spent nearly an hour checking out
> http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd in both Firefox and IE and can't find a
> 'Download' link anywhere!
>
> I'm going to watch something on TV dammit!



http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/

 
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