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On 28 May 2011 06:58:48 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>John A. <> wrote:
>>On 27 May 2011 09:46:26 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>
>>>PeterN <> wrote:
>>>>On 5/26/2011 1:54 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 11:25 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 2:46 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't like MY tax dollars being used to support a brutal,
>>>>>>>>> anti-democratic regime that has religious discrimination as its
>>>>>>>>> core principle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then stop using oil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Israel doesn't export oil, dumbass.
>>>>
>>>>Just where did I say that.
>>>
>>>Why did you bring up the subject of oil? Stupidity? Evasiveness?
>>
>>Possibly because so many oil-producing countries are "brutal,
>>anti-democratic regime[s] that [have] religious discrimination as
>>[their] core principle[s]."
>
>And how many of them get billions of US tax dollars every year?

And how significant is that compared to the oil money (mentioned in
the part of my post you snipped) we pay to those other countries? (A
rough calculation based on googled figures puts recent oil dollars
going to Saudi Arabia at about ten times the most we've sent to Israel
in a year.)

John A. <> wrote:
> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>John A. <> wrote:
>>>On 27 May 2011 09:46:26 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>PeterN <> wrote:
>>>>>On 5/26/2011 1:54 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 11:25 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 2:46 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't like MY tax dollars being used to support a brutal,
>>>>>>>>>> anti-democratic regime that has religious discrimination as its
>>>>>>>>>> core principle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> then stop using oil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Israel doesn't export oil, dumbass.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just where did I say that.
>>>>
>>>>Why did you bring up the subject of oil? Stupidity? Evasiveness?
>>>
>>>Possibly because so many oil-producing countries are "brutal,
>>>anti-democratic regime[s] that [have] religious discrimination as
>>>[their] core principle[s]."
>>
>>And how many of them get billions of US tax dollars every year?
>
>And how significant is that compared to the oil money (mentioned in

You're changing the subject.

Not interested.

--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
| The new GOP ideal

PeterN <> wrote:
>On 5/28/2011 4:35 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>> On 5/28/2011 2:59 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/27/2011 5:46 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/26/2011 1:54 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 11:25 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 2:46 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't like MY tax dollars being used to support a brutal,
>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-democratic regime that has religious discrimination as its
>>>>>>>>>>>> core principle.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> then stop using oil.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Israel doesn't export oil, dumbass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just where did I say that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why did you bring up the subject of oil? Stupidity? Evasiveness?
>>>>>
>>>>> To illustrate the point that we kiss the asses of the oil producing and
>>>>> totalitarian and brutal regimes, in the Middle East that produce oil.
>>>>> But you don't even understand basis business. How can you be expected to
>>>>> understand even the most elementary concepts of global socio economics.
>>>>
>>>> Israel isn't an oil exporter.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hint: How many oil producing countries don't practice hat you claim to
>>>>>>>>> abhor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many of them are brutal dictatorships occupying other people's
>>>>>>>> lands and collecting my tax dollars?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which ones aren't brutal dictatorships and which ones are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many of them are brutal dictatorships occupying other people's
>>>>>> lands and collecting my tax dollars?
>>>>>
>>>>> Most in the Middle East.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>> Now that's a well reasoned factual answer.
>>
>> At a level with your wholly-unsupported nonsense.
>>
>>> Name one Middle Eastern oil producer that is not a dictatorship.
>>
>> That are also collecting my tax dollars?
>>
>> None that I know of. Can you name any?
>>
>Yes. All of them.

And now you're reduced to lying outright.

Run along.

--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
| The new GOP ideal

On 29 May 2011 20:58:33 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>John A. <> wrote:
>> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>John A. <> wrote:
>>>>On 27 May 2011 09:46:26 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>PeterN <> wrote:
>>>>>>On 5/26/2011 1:54 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 11:25 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 2:46 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't like MY tax dollars being used to support a brutal,
>>>>>>>>>>> anti-democratic regime that has religious discrimination as its
>>>>>>>>>>> core principle.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> then stop using oil.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Israel doesn't export oil, dumbass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just where did I say that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did you bring up the subject of oil? Stupidity? Evasiveness?
>>>>
>>>>Possibly because so many oil-producing countries are "brutal,
>>>>anti-democratic regime[s] that [have] religious discrimination as
>>>>[their] core principle[s]."
>>>
>>>And how many of them get billions of US tax dollars every year?
>>
>>And how significant is that compared to the oil money (mentioned in
>
>You're changing the subject.
>
>Not interested.

But you said you didn't like your tax dollars being used to support a
brutal anti-democratic regime that has religious discrimination as its
core principle.

Given that, I would think you would find someone pointing out that ten
times as much of your non-tax dollars are being used to support just
such a regime to be helpful in that the spending of those dollars are
more in your direct control.

John A. <> wrote:
> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>John A. <> wrote:
>>> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>John A. <> wrote:
>>>>>On 27 May 2011 09:46:26 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>PeterN <> wrote:
>>>>>>>On 5/26/2011 1:54 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 11:25 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 2:46 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't like MY tax dollars being used to support a brutal,
>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-democratic regime that has religious discrimination as its
>>>>>>>>>>>> core principle.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> then stop using oil.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Israel doesn't export oil, dumbass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just where did I say that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did you bring up the subject of oil? Stupidity? Evasiveness?
>>>>>
>>>>>Possibly because so many oil-producing countries are "brutal,
>>>>>anti-democratic regime[s] that [have] religious discrimination as
>>>>>[their] core principle[s]."
>>>>
>>>>And how many of them get billions of US tax dollars every year?
>>>
>>>And how significant is that compared to the oil money (mentioned in
>>
>>You're changing the subject.
>>
>>Not interested.
>
>But you said you didn't like your tax dollars being used to support a
>brutal anti-democratic regime that has religious discrimination as its
>core principle.

And you tried to change that to have soemthing to do with oil money.

>Given that, I would think you would find someone pointing out that ten
>times as much of your non-tax dollars are being used to support just
>such a regime

But you're lying so why do you believe that your bullshit should make
any difference to me?

Stupidity?

--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
| The new GOP ideal

George Kerby <> wrote:
>
>
>
>On 5/29/11 3:59 PM, in article 4de2b397$0$2168$, "Ray
>Fischer" <> wrote:
>
>> PeterN <> wrote:
>>> On 5/28/2011 4:35 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/28/2011 2:59 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/27/2011 5:46 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2011 1:54 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 11:25 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 2:46 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't like MY tax dollars being used to support a brutal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-democratic regime that has religious discrimination as its
>>>>>>>>>>>>> core principle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then stop using oil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel doesn't export oil, dumbass.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just where did I say that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why did you bring up the subject of oil? Stupidity? Evasiveness?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To illustrate the point that we kiss the asses of the oil producing and
>>>>>>> totalitarian and brutal regimes, in the Middle East that produce oil.
>>>>>>> But you don't even understand basis business. How can you be expected to
>>>>>>> understand even the most elementary concepts of global socio economics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Israel isn't an oil exporter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: How many oil producing countries don't practice hat you claim
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> abhor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How many of them are brutal dictatorships occupying other people's
>>>>>>>>>> lands and collecting my tax dollars?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which ones aren't brutal dictatorships and which ones are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many of them are brutal dictatorships occupying other people's
>>>>>>>> lands and collecting my tax dollars?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most in the Middle East.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Now that's a well reasoned factual answer.
>>>>
>>>> At a level with your wholly-unsupported nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>> Name one Middle Eastern oil producer that is not a dictatorship.
>>>>
>>>> That are also collecting my tax dollars?
>>>>
>>>> None that I know of. Can you name any?
>>>>
>>> Yes. All of them.
>>
>> And now you're reduced to lying outright.
>>
>> Run along.
>
>Seems like the majority of "those" *outside* your head seem to think that

How many dogs do you believe you are?

--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
| The new GOP ideal

On 31 May 2011 06:41:23 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>John A. <> wrote:
>> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>John A. <> wrote:
>>>> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>John A. <> wrote:
>>>>>>On 27 May 2011 09:46:26 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>>PeterN <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>On 5/26/2011 1:54 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 11:25 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> PeterN<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2011 2:46 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't like MY tax dollars being used to support a brutal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-democratic regime that has religious discrimination as its
>>>>>>>>>>>>> core principle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> then stop using oil.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Israel doesn't export oil, dumbass.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just where did I say that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did you bring up the subject of oil? Stupidity? Evasiveness?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Possibly because so many oil-producing countries are "brutal,
>>>>>>anti-democratic regime[s] that [have] religious discrimination as
>>>>>>[their] core principle[s]."
>>>>>
>>>>>And how many of them get billions of US tax dollars every year?
>>>>
>>>>And how significant is that compared to the oil money (mentioned in
>>>
>>>You're changing the subject.
>>>
>>>Not interested.
>>
>>But you said you didn't like your tax dollars being used to support a
>>brutal anti-democratic regime that has religious discrimination as its
>>core principle.
>
>And you tried to change that to have soemthing to do with oil money.

Ah! So it's just the tax part you object to. I understand now.

>>Given that, I would think you would find someone pointing out that ten
>>times as much of your non-tax dollars are being used to support just
>>such a regime
>
>But you're lying so why do you believe that your bullshit should make
>any difference to me?
>
>Stupidity?

Lying? Seriously?

Hey, if you don't believe me you can look up the figures up yourself.
It's not that hard: just look up the amount of aid we send Israel each
year (it has varied) and compare that to the # of barrels of oil we
import from, say, Saudi Arabia in a year, multiplied by the price per
barrel. I'm sure you can find sources you can trust for all those
figures. So if you really think I'm lying, go ahead and get the real
figures and call me on it.

Rich wrote:
>
> > John Turco <> wrote:
> >
> >> Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> > Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2011-05-15 12:09:34 -0700, Bob Dobbs <>
> >> >> said:
> >
> > <edited for brevity>
> >
> >> >> Wouldn't the esteemed (at least in some quarters) American CIA tend
> >> >> to fall into the classification of egotistical arrogance with their
> >> >> supercilious incursions into the territory and affairs of sovereign
> >> >> nations?
> >> >
> >> > An ingrained part of our Anglo-Saxon heritage.
> >> > We are still trying to shake off some of the pre-1776 habits.
> >>
> >> Pay off those back taxes, and you will be welcome to rejoin the
> >> Empire. We can offer a selection of easy payment plans ...
> >
> >
> > Today's "British Commonwealth" hardly qualifies as an "empire"
> > of any kind.
> >
>
> But the Commonwealth DID invent propping up loser countries with Brit
> (and Canadian) tax dollars LONG before the EU did!


Was that after the United States "propped up" Great Britain, itself?

As far as I know, the UK received more post-WWII aid from the U.S.,
than any other nation (including Germany and Japan, surprisingly
enough).

--
Cordially,
John Turco <>

Marie's Musings <http://fairiesandtails.blogspot.com>

"John A." wrote:
>
> > On 31 May 2011 06:41:23 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

<edited for brevity>

> > But you're lying so why do you believe that your bullshit should make
> > any difference to me?
> >
> > Stupidity?
>
> Lying? Seriously?
>
> Hey, if you don't believe me you can look up the figures up yourself.
> It's not that hard: just look up the amount of aid we send Israel each
> year (it has varied) and compare that to the # of barrels of oil we
> import from, say, Saudi Arabia in a year, multiplied by the price per
> barrel. I'm sure you can find sources you can trust for all those
> figures. So if you really think I'm lying, go ahead and get the real
> figures and call me on it.


Why is >buying< Arab oil, worse than >giving< money to Israel?

--
Cordially,
John Turco <>

Marie's Musings <http://fairiesandtails.blogspot.com>

On 6/30/2011 2:15 AM, John Turco wrote:


<snip>
> Why is>buying< Arab oil, worse than>giving< money to Israel?
>

The context of my comment, (which was deleted,) is that giving dollars
to Israel was not supporting terrorism in the Middle East any more than
purchasing oil from there.



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Peter