On 5/14/2011 5:20 PM, Neil Harrington wrote:
> "PeterN"<> wrote in message
> news:4dceae8d$0$12505$...
>> On 5/13/2011 8:46 PM, Neil Harrington wrote:
>>> "PeterN"<> wrote in message
>>> news:4dcdb30a$0$12491$...
>>>> On 5/13/2011 6:08 PM, Neil Harrington wrote:
>>>>> "PeterN"<> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4dcd8e1c$0$12507$...
>>>>>> On 5/13/2011 2:10 PM, Neil Harrington wrote:
>>>>>>> "PeterN"<> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4dcd51f8$0$12466$...
>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2011 9:11 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are liars. No way this was just a little mistake of lack of
>>>>>>>>> forethought. No one is that stupid. Like everything else, Israeli
>>>>>>>>> official bodies do some outrageous things, and because the U.S.
>>>>>>>>> politicians are always too timid to say anthing, criticism from
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> quarters rolls off them like water off a duck's back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your ignorant prejudice continually shows.
>>>>>>>> Although there are members of the Hassidic community living in
>>>>>>>> Israel,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> vast majority lives in the United States and Canada. They do not
>>>>>>>> recognize
>>>>>>>> the State of Israel as a Jewish State.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce4IuSBRn9w
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it's not just Hasidic Jews who are anti-Zionist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See the Jews Against Zionism site,
>>>>>>> http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good on them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your comment shows a complete ignorance of the true meaning of
>>>>>> Zionism,
>>>>>> before it's meaning was corrupted by anti-Semitic types.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the anti-Zionist Orthodox and Hasidic Jewish rabbis, are they
>>>>> "anti-Semitic types" too?
>>>>
>>>> You don't even begin to comprehend the meaning of a Jewish State, which
>>>> is
>>>> what they oppose, because one cannot be established until the coming of
>>>> the Messiah. This fundamentalist meaning coincides with the Christian
>>>> concept of Judgment day. One of the major differences is that from the
>>>> Hassidic standpoint the Messiah must precede the Jewish State.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any desire to understand the true meaning of Zionism, read
>>>> the
>>>> works of Theodore Herzl. if you do so you will find that although Israel
>>>> would be a Jewish State in the sense that all Jewish people would
>>>> automatically become citizens, it would also be secular in operation and
>>>> would include a place for both Jews and Arabs to live peacefully
>>>> together.
>>>
>>> Obviously a nonsensical notion if there ever was one, in light of the way
>>> the Jewish state was founded in 1948 and has been run ever since.
>>>
>>> In any case by your definition the present state of Israel has no
>>> connection
>>> whatever with Herzlian Zionism, making that reference irrelevant. So
>>> don't
>>> tell me *I* "don't even begin to comprehend the meaning of a Jewish
>>> State,"
>>> explain it all to Netanyahu. (Like he's going to pay any attention to you
>>> and your Herzl style Zionist ideas.)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It would never occur to you that current Israeli actions are a reaction to
>> rockets being launched, Bar Mitzvah services being bombed, public buses
>> carrying civilians being attacked. No, of course not.
>
> Zionist terrorism worked for Zionists in 1948, didn't it. After their
> massacre of Arabs in the peaceful village of Deir Yassin, panicked
> Palestinians fled their homes by the thousands. Eventually some 700,000
> Palestinians either fled or were forcibly expelled from their homes --
> arguably the most successful example of "ethnic cleansing" of a territory in
> modern history.
>
> http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html
>
> Look at a map of Israeli seized and illegally occupied territory today and
> compare it with the generous area the U.N. originally approved for a Jewish
> state:
>
> http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...tellstory.html
>
> Then you tell me who are the aggressors, the Zionists or the Palestinians.
>
>> Tell your friends, whose actions you seem to condone, to stop the bombing
>> and see what happens.
>
> I don't have any friends in that part of the world, but I can recognize
> injustice when I see it. Evidently you cannot.
>
> If there is one lesson the Palestinians took away from all this, it is that
> if terrorism can work for the Zionists it may eventually work for them too.
> In fact, they have no other choice available to them. They do not have the
> world's only superpower giving them billions of American taxpayers' dollars
> every year, or supplying them with vast quantities of hugely expensive and
> highly sophisticated weapons of war. They have home-made bombs and suicide
> bombers, the "poor man's air force." And they have time and demographics on
> their side.
>
> The Zionists who robbed, terrorized and murdered them evidently expected
> them to just go away and forget about being robbed of their homes and
> property. They have shown that they aren't going to do that.
>
> So the result is the situation we have today in that part of the world,
> massive and growing hatred of the United States for our part in all this.
> Without us the Zionists could never have succeeded in their crimes, which
> continue to this day. And everyone knows this.
Are you talking about the events of April 8, 1948.
Here is the time line leading to that sad happening:
Apr 2, 1948 - THE FACTS: DIR YASSIN MASSACRE: DIR YASSIN WAS A BASE OF
ATTACK BY THE ARABS AGAINST THE JERUSALEM/ TEL AVIV ROAD. " On April 2,
1948, the inhabitants of Deir Yassin began sniping at the Jewish
Quarters of Bet Hakerem and Yefe Nof. According to reports by the Shai
(Haganah Intelligence), fortifications were being constructed in the
village and a large quantity of arms being stockpiled. Several days
before the attack. ...
From FACTS ABOUT JERUSALEM - Related web pages
http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/jerus...rusalem74.html
Apr 6, 1948 - Operation Nachshon was launched on April 6, 1948, with
the aim of opening up the road to Jerusalem. The village of Deir Yassin
was included on the list of Arab villages to be occupied as part of that
operation. Indeed, while fierce fighting was going on at ...Operation
Nachshon was launched on April 6, 1948, with the aim of opening up the
road to Jerusalem. The village of Deir Yassin was included on the list
of Arab villages to be occupied as part of that operation. Indeed, while
fierce fighting was going on at Kastel, Arab reinforcements flooded onto
the battlefield through Deir Yassin, which helped to drive back the
Jewish occupying force.
Most here recognize that you never let facts overcome your prejudices.
This is a photography forum, or you would see a lot more. Stop spreading
your venomous lies. They have no place here.
--
Peter