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In article <ipml3r$7bg$>,
"Twayne" <> wrote:

> In news:ipi8ac$ufm$,
> Jerry Stuckle <> typed:
> > On 4/30/2011 7:26 PM, Twayne wrote:
> >> In news:1z0vp.5524$,
> >> David Lamb<> typed:
> >>> On 30/04/2011 3:48 PM, Deeyana wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:14:58 -0700, Joe Snodgrass
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> After all the scary news about smart phones
> >>>>> broadcasting people's locations, I can't believe that
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no
> >>>>> location tracking and corner the market on people who
> >>>>> want no part of it. There's money to be made, genius!
> >>>> What does any of that have to do with Java, C++, or
> >>>> PHP, Snodgrass?
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps we can help the OP learn some systems design?
> >>> Making location tracking impossible means no
> >>> app-readable GPS, which eliminates so many useful apps
> >>> nobody would buy said smartphone.
> >>> Does any smartphone use php?
> >>
> >> Don't see why not. PHP runs server-side, not client
> >> side. It's the website that determines whether PHP runs
> >> or not and it has nothing to do wth the client side, or
> >> smartfone. HTH,

> > Incorrect. PHP scripts can easily run on the client.
>
> Your half-misinformation does no one any good, including yourself. Without
> PHP and a server present, which is the norm for many people, what happens
> then? They'll still run the PHP? I don't THINK so!

Why would PHP not be available on my own machine. I run PHP scripts all
the time.

--
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689

..oO(Twayne)

>In news:ipi8ac$ufm$,
>Jerry Stuckle <> typed:
>>
>> Incorrect. PHP scripts can easily run on the client.
>
>Your half-misinformation does no one any good, including yourself. Without
>PHP and a server present, which is the norm for many people, what happens
>then? They'll still run the PHP? I don't THINK so!

You can use PHP for many more things, which don't require a webserver.

Micha

On Apr 30, 8:27*pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In comp.lang.phpJoeSnodgrass<joe.s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > After all the scary news about smart phones broadcasting people's
> > locations, I can't believe that
>
> > 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no location tracking
> > and corner the market on people who want no part of it. *There's money
> > to be made, genius!
>
> > 2) Manufacturers don't put a control (preferably a hardware switch) on
> > the annoying things to *reliably* leave the feature turned off.
>
> > 3) Customers don't raise a ruckus and demand that the feature be put
> > under their control, or else.
>
> > Americans are heroin addicts, who will suck up anything, as long as
> > they get their shot every half hour.
>
> The FCC has required that all cell phone companies be able to trace
> cell phone calls to a location since 2005.
>
> You can thank 9/11 for that rule.
>
> Only whether or not the user can access the tracking data is optional.
>
> The only money to be made with a phone with no location tracking is in
> the fines and penalties you will get for selling it.

Then the only alternative is to try disconnect the GPS chip. I
suppose that it's too much to ask for the chip to have little legs, so
you can just cut it off the circuit by snipping the power pin. I
wonder if the OS is robust enough to tolerate a loss of that signal or
if you'd get the cellphone equivalent of a BSOD.

On May 3, 4:33*pm, Joe Snodgrass <joe.s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 8:27*pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In comp.lang.phpJoeSnodgrass<joe.s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > After all the scary news about smart phones broadcasting people's
> > > locations, I can't believe that
>
> > > 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no location tracking
> > > and corner the market on people who want no part of it. *There's money
> > > to be made, genius!
>
> > > 2) Manufacturers don't put a control (preferably a hardware switch) on
> > > the annoying things to *reliably* leave the feature turned off.
>
> > > 3) Customers don't raise a ruckus and demand that the feature be put
> > > under their control, or else.
>
> > > Americans are heroin addicts, who will suck up anything, as long as
> > > they get their shot every half hour.
>
> > The FCC has required that all cell phone companies be able to trace
> > cell phone calls to a location since 2005.
>
> > You can thank 9/11 for that rule.
>
> > Only whether or not the user can access the tracking data is optional.
>
> > The only money to be made with a phone with no location tracking is in
> > the fines and penalties you will get for selling it.
>
> Then the only alternative is to try disconnect the GPS chip. *I
> suppose that it's too much to ask for the chip to have little legs, so
> you can just cut it off the circuit by snipping the power pin. *I
> wonder if the OS is robust enough to tolerate a loss of that signal or
> if you'd get the cellphone equivalent of a BSOD.

Location can be tracked even without GPS chip. Only accuracy of
tracking is bit lower so one using the information needs to shoot you
with a bit bigger rocket. The mobile network knows very well where you
are at any given moment. How else it routes the incoming calls to you?

Öö Tiib wrote:
> On May 3, 4:33 pm, Joe Snodgrass <joe.s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 30, 8:27 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In comp.lang.phpJoeSnodgrass<joe.s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> After all the scary news about smart phones broadcasting people's
>>>> locations, I can't believe that
>>>> 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no location tracking
>>>> and corner the market on people who want no part of it. There's money
>>>> to be made, genius!
>>>> 2) Manufacturers don't put a control (preferably a hardware switch) on
>>>> the annoying things to *reliably* leave the feature turned off.
>>>> 3) Customers don't raise a ruckus and demand that the feature be put
>>>> under their control, or else.
>>>> Americans are heroin addicts, who will suck up anything, as long as
>>>> they get their shot every half hour.
>>> The FCC has required that all cell phone companies be able to trace
>>> cell phone calls to a location since 2005.
>>> You can thank 9/11 for that rule.
>>> Only whether or not the user can access the tracking data is optional.
>>> The only money to be made with a phone with no location tracking is in
>>> the fines and penalties you will get for selling it.
>> Then the only alternative is to try disconnect the GPS chip. I
>> suppose that it's too much to ask for the chip to have little legs, so
>> you can just cut it off the circuit by snipping the power pin. I
>> wonder if the OS is robust enough to tolerate a loss of that signal or
>> if you'd get the cellphone equivalent of a BSOD.
>
> Location can be tracked even without GPS chip. Only accuracy of
> tracking is bit lower so one using the information needs to shoot you
> with a bit bigger rocket. The mobile network knows very well where you
> are at any given moment. How else it routes the incoming calls to you?

Magic?

the answer is of course not to carry a mobile that is switched on...if
you don't want to be tracked.

In article <ipp3or$fj0$>,
"Twayne" <> wrote:

> In news:timstreater-,
> Tim Streater <> typed:
> > In article <ipml3r$7bg$>,
> > "Twayne" <> wrote:

> > Why would PHP not be available on my own machine. I run
> > PHP scripts all the time.
>
> I can't really say since you gave no information at all. A lot of 'nix
> bundles might include it but Windows for instance does not. And unless you
> have installed a server installed locally on your machine, PHP scripts are
> not running on your machine. All you'll get when it runs is a page showing
> the PHP script, but no PHP results. Once you're into production mode, then
> the PHP is running on whatever server you are using for your production
> site/s.
> So you have actually not said anything but a few words with nothing to
> describe what you're doing. That of course if of absolutely no use to
> newbies and the inexperienced users looking to get into PHP programming.

OK, I'll add a few words to the second sentence, and a third sentence:

I run PHP scripts from the command prompt all the time. I can do this
whether or apache happens to be running at that moment (in fact it
usually is since an instance of apache is a component of my email
client, but the command line scripts, of course, don't care about that).

--
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689

In comp.lang.php Joe Snodgrass <> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 8:27Â*pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In comp.lang.phpJoeSnodgrass<joe.s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > After all the scary news about smart phones broadcasting people's
>> > locations, I can't believe that
>>
>> > 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no location tracking
>> > and corner the market on people who want no part of it. Â*There's money
>> > to be made, genius!
>>
>> > 2) Manufacturers don't put a control (preferably a hardware switch) on
>> > the annoying things to *reliably* leave the feature turned off.
>>
>> > 3) Customers don't raise a ruckus and demand that the feature be put
>> > under their control, or else.
>>
>> > Americans are heroin addicts, who will suck up anything, as long as
>> > they get their shot every half hour.
>>
>> The FCC has required that all cell phone companies be able to trace
>> cell phone calls to a location since 2005.
>>
>> You can thank 9/11 for that rule.
>>
>> Only whether or not the user can access the tracking data is optional.
>>
>> The only money to be made with a phone with no location tracking is in
>> the fines and penalties you will get for selling it.
>
> Then the only alternative is to try disconnect the GPS chip. I
> suppose that it's too much to ask for the chip to have little legs, so
> you can just cut it off the circuit by snipping the power pin. I
> wonder if the OS is robust enough to tolerate a loss of that signal or
> if you'd get the cellphone equivalent of a BSOD.

Not all phones use GPS, so that is not an alternative.

The only real alternative is to not carry a cellphone if you are that
paranoid or involved in questionable activities.


--
Jim Pennino

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On 5/3/2011 10:33 AM, Twayne wrote:
> In news:timstreater-,
> Tim Streater<> typed:
>> In article<ipml3r$7bg$>,
>> "Twayne"<> wrote:
>>
>
> ...
>
>>
>> Why would PHP not be available on my own machine. I run
>> PHP scripts all the time.
>
> I can't really say since you gave no information at all. A lot of 'nix
> bundles might include it but Windows for instance does not. And unless you
> have installed a server installed locally on your machine, PHP scripts are
> not running on your machine. All you'll get when it runs is a page showing
> the PHP script, but no PHP results. Once you're into production mode, then
> the PHP is running on whatever server you are using for your production
> site/s.
> So you have actually not said anything but a few words with nothing to
> describe what you're doing. That of course if of absolutely no use to
> newbies and the inexperienced users looking to get into PHP programming.
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`
>
>

PHP scripts run fine on Windows without a web server.

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In news:ippupp$6e1$,
Jerry Stuckle <> typed:
> On 5/3/2011 10:33 AM, Twayne wrote:
>> In
>> news:timstreater-,
>> Tim Streater<> typed:
>>> In article<ipml3r$7bg$>,
>>> "Twayne"<> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> Why would PHP not be available on my own machine. I run
>>> PHP scripts all the time.
>>
>> I can't really say since you gave no information at all.
>> A lot of 'nix bundles might include it but Windows for
>> instance does not. And unless you have installed a
>> server installed locally on your machine, PHP scripts
>> are not running on your machine. All you'll get when it
>> runs is a page showing the PHP script, but no PHP
>> results. Once you're into production mode, then the PHP
>> is running on whatever server you are using for your
>> production site/s. So you have actually not said
>> anything but a few words with nothing to describe what
>> you're doing. That of course if of absolutely no use to
>> newbies and the inexperienced users looking to get into
>> PHP programming. HTH,
>>
>> Twayne`
>>
>>
>
> PHP scripts run fine on Windows without a web server.

More half-information and useless to boot.

On 5/4/2011 7:46 PM, Twayne wrote:
> In news:ippupp$6e1$,
> Jerry Stuckle<> typed:
>> On 5/3/2011 10:33 AM, Twayne wrote:
>>> In
>>> news:timstreater-,
>>> Tim Streater<> typed:
>>>> In article<ipml3r$7bg$>,
>>>> "Twayne"<> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would PHP not be available on my own machine. I run
>>>> PHP scripts all the time.
>>>
>>> I can't really say since you gave no information at all.
>>> A lot of 'nix bundles might include it but Windows for
>>> instance does not. And unless you have installed a
>>> server installed locally on your machine, PHP scripts
>>> are not running on your machine. All you'll get when it
>>> runs is a page showing the PHP script, but no PHP
>>> results. Once you're into production mode, then the PHP
>>> is running on whatever server you are using for your
>>> production site/s. So you have actually not said
>>> anything but a few words with nothing to describe what
>>> you're doing. That of course if of absolutely no use to
>>> newbies and the inexperienced users looking to get into
>>> PHP programming. HTH,
>>>
>>> Twayne`
>>>
>>>
>>
>> PHP scripts run fine on Windows without a web server.
>
> More half-information and useless to boot.
>
>

Only for an idiot troll like you.

For intelligent people, PHP scripts run fine on Windows without a server.

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