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On 16Apr2011 10:59, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+> wrote:
| On Sat, 2011-04-16, Alec Taylor wrote:
| > Thanks, but non of the IDEs so far suggested have an embedded python
| > interpreter AND tabs...
| > emacs having the opposite problem, missing tabs (also,
| > selecting text with my mouse is something I do often).
|
| Does it *have* to be tabs? Why? Both Emacs and Vim can have multiple
| files open, and have various powerful ways to navigate between them.

If I'm using tabs I tend to use a tabbed terminal emulator (Terminal or
iTerm on MacOSX of late), and run vi and shells and python interpreters
in various tabs. My normal programming workspace has two terminals side
by side - an editing terminal and a "running stuff" terminal.

I'm a vi/vim user, though that's just what my fingers are happy with.

I'm not an IDE person - I just make my work environment from my
preferred editor and some terminals (and, under X11, a good window
manager - I like FVWM). That way one can pick the pieces one likes
and use them together.

Cheers,
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- somebody on rec.moto

In http://docs.python.org/using/unix.html#editors
you can read:
Geany is an excellent IDE with support for a lot of languages.
For more information, read: http://geany.uvena.de/

I followed that suggestion, and am very happy with Geany.
But I confess that I am not a sophisticated user.

Why does nobody mention Geany ?
e
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Terry Reedy wrote:
>> IDLE loses syntax highlighting annoyingly often
>
> Could you exlain?
> When does it do that with a file labelled .py?


.... never seen this behavior in IDLE with a .py file; not even once.


I take that back... there was the time I tried to run IDLE on the mac
mini with Apple built-in tcltk on Snow Leopard... 'till I found out that
tk on the mac is not stable with the built-in tcltk... which I found
very suspicious for Apple's part...

.... by the by, if I down-load tcltk from sources and recompile, along
with Python32 from sources, will things be stable on the mac??


kind regards,
m harris

> >> You can't run Python programs without a Python interpreter
> >> installed.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > See e.g. http://www.portablepython.com/
>
> Uhm... how does that disprove?

Which part of the word "installed" don't you understand while actually
using it? >;->

> Whatever language you distributed code
> is in, you need something on the computer that can read it.

The point is that you don't need to _install_ it. If the developer has
a brain.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Wolfgang Keller <> wrote:
> Which part of the word "installed" don't you understand while actually
> using it? >;->

I have various programs which I distribute in zip/tgz format, and also
as a self-extracting executable on Windows. Does this mean they need
to be "installed" only under Windows? No. They need to be installed to
be run, it's just that the installer is unzip or tar.

(FYI, we "installed" a new minister in the church's manse a few weeks
ago. Didn't involve anything more than a mv.)

Chris Angelico

On Apr 18, 6:33*pm, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Wolfgang Keller <felip...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > Which part of the word "installed" don't you understand while actually
> > using it? >;->
>
> I have various programs which I distribute in zip/tgz format, and also
> as a self-extracting executable on Windows. Does this mean they need
> to be "installed" only under Windows? No. They need to be installed to
> be run, it's just that the installer is unzip or tar.
>
> (FYI, we "installed" a new minister in the church's manse a few weeks
> ago. Didn't involve anything more than a mv.)
>
> Chris Angelico

WTF
>it's just that the installer is unzip or tar.
If I take my clothes out of my luggage bag have i just installed them?
Don't think so unless your new minister is wearing them lol.

Sayth

On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:20:32 +1000, Alec Taylor
<> wrote:

>Good Afternoon,
>
>I'm looking for an IDE which offers syntax-highlighting,
>code-completion, tabs, an embedded interpreter and which is portable
>(for running from USB on Windows).
>
>Here's a mockup of the app I'm looking for: http://i52.tinypic.com/2uojswz.png
>
>Which would you recommend?
>
>Thanks in advance for any suggestions,
>
>Alec Taylor

For the record, do have a look at the Python Toolkit (PTK) project at
http://pythontoolkit.sourceforge.net/

There is a platform independant source (.zip), however wxPython is a
requirement (so possibly not 'exactly' what you are looking for)

--
Ton

Geany I've tried in the past, it's really buggy on my home computer
and at Uni... however from my phone it works wonderfully! (Use it for
C++ projects on Rhobuntu)

Eric 4 was suggested to me on the #python channel on Freenode...
however I've never been able to get it compiled/working. Too many
dependencies I'm guessing...

PTK looks great, and does everything I want (from screenshots).
Unfortunately, it doesn't run on my system; Win7 x64, Python 2.7.1
x64, WxPython 2.8 x64. Install ran as admin.

Emacs and vim still seem like good alternatives, when I get the time.
However, currently have 3 assignments to start and finish so would
like a simple Notepad2 with python interpreter attached (and keyboard
shortcut to run script) type program.

Please continue recommending

Thanks,

Alec Taylor

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Westley Martínez <> wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 09:08 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Westley Martínez <>wrote:
>> >
>> > Either way doesn't it require python be installed on the system?
>>
>> Most Python development is going to require that...
>>
>> I'm rather puzzled by this question; I think I've misunderstood it.
>> You can't run Python programs without a Python interpreter installed.
>>
>> Chris Angelico
>
> Didn't the OP ask for a portable system, i.e. you can carry everything
> around on a flash drive and pop it into any computer? Or is he just
> asking that the editor be portable?
>
> --
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>

Yep, flash-drive portable if you please =]

Alec Taylor <> writes:
>
> Emacs and vim still seem like good alternatives, when I get the time.
> However, currently have 3 assignments to start and finish so would
> like a simple Notepad2 with python interpreter attached (and keyboard
> shortcut to run script) type program.
>
> Please continue recommending

I warmly recommend to change posting style, this time you top-posted
*and* also posted below some quoted text.

If you really have to top post (which is normally bad) at least don't
also post below other text, otherwise people will not see what you wrote
below, because they assume that you wrote everything on top.

About the editor keep in mind that if you continue to change program
you'll not surely be faster or more productive

The current finalists:

Editra with PyShell in Shelf

Pros: Syntax highlighting, tabs, ¿portable? and embedded python
interpreter (PyShell 0.
Cons: No run button or keyboard shortcut for quick running of script
(made issue: http://code.google.com/p/editra/issues/detail?id=641) and
doesn't save settings changes for editor

PyScripter

Pros: Syntax highlighting, tabs, ¿portable?, embedded python
interpreter, keyboard shortcut (Ctrl+F9 [though would prefer single
key...]) and run button
Cons: Unmaintained, so doesn't support x64 and has a few bugs

UliPad

Pros: Syntax highlighting, tabs, ¿portable?, embedded python
interpreter, keyboard shortcut (F5) and run button
Cons: Command-prompt window appears whenever script is run (could be
admin issues at Uni) and is unmaintained, so can expect bugs and
non-modern interfaces for length of use

Please continue suggesting Python IDEs and/or fixes for the above Cons.

Thanks,

Alec Taylor

FYI: I can't test Kate, as all the mirrors I've tried have no files on them..