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~misfit~
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      12-10-2010
Somewhere on teh intarwebs Richard wrote:
> On 9/12/2010 7:00 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
>>
>> However folks with 0800 numbers still get to see my number which
>> ****es me off.

>
> They are paying for it so they should see it.


No. Blocked should mean blocked (other than for law enforcement etc.).
Ideally I'd like there to be a recorded message saying that, if I want to
continue the call and disclose my number, press hash. Otherwise I should
hang up.

I mean, it's too late now and also I'm now aware of the fact that my
'blocked' number isn't actually blocked. However it would have been nice to
know how that worked up-front.
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


 
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      12-10-2010
Somewhere on teh intarwebs Richard wrote:
> On 9/12/2010 7:01 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs PeeCee wrote:
>>> On 8/12/2010 9:14 a.m., Enkidu wrote:
>>>> I had someone ring me up and claim that they had the contract to
>>>> support "the computer in your house". Well, we have five of them. I
>>>> didn't believe a word of it so I asked her what the model number
>>>> and serial number of the supported computer was and she just hung
>>>> up!
>>>
>>> The Mrs got something similar the other day and just hung up on
>>> them. Unfortunately I wasn't home, I would have loved to string
>>> them along.

>>
>> Hearing this makes me pleased that I disable 'remote assistance /
>> desktop' on any Windows box that I set up for rubes.

>
> Does that affect third party tools like logmein and gotomypc etc?


I honestly don't know, having never used them or read much about them.
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monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


 
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      12-10-2010
On 2010-12-08, Malcolm Moore <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:09:47 +1300, Donchano
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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>>On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:48:05 +1300, Malcolm Moore
>><(E-Mail Removed)> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>>>You don't get it! They won't leave a message because that would
>>>potentially divulge to all & sundry at that address that person x had
>>>consulted their doctor. That would be breaking doctor patient
>>>confidentiality.

>>
>>Thankfully, our doctor and her medical centre doesn't extend this
>>ridiculous OTT-PC "privacy" game to phone calls or messages. Nor does
>>our dentist, or lawyer, or accountant, or any of the specialists we've
>>had to utilise over the past couple of years.

>
> You may regard it as OTT-PC but the medical profession don't. Patient
> confidentiality is regarded as extremley important.


It also goes way, way back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

So try and catch up, ironic eh?

 
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      12-10-2010
On 2010-12-09, Richard <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On 9/12/2010 10:08 a.m., Malcolm Moore wrote:
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>> It's entirely possible you have received messages on behalf of others
>> in your household, however that is because they have given their prior
>> consent.
>> If that consent is not given then you will not be contacted and so
>> your claim that your doctor doesn't bother with such niceties is a
>> nonsense, you have no way of knowing
>>
>> If your doctor is ignoring such guidelines, give her your best wishes
>> if she is hauled before the Medical Council, but please don't
>> recommend your lawyer to her.
>>
>> You may also like to read my reply to WorkHard.

>
> I have given them my phone number to call on. If there was an issue with
> someone else answering that number I didnt want to be informed, then I
> wouldnt have given the number to them.


Right where is the phone and I am sure we can get plenty of volunteers to
person it, waiting fotr the call.

Better yet tell us *all* about your health and legal dealings right here.
Thought not.

BTW do they have that in writing?
 
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Gordon
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      12-10-2010
On 2010-12-08, John Little <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 9:22*pm, whoisthis <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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>> yep, 99% of hidden numbers are telemarketers or other conmen

>
> But there are those who regarded the loss of anonymity when caller id
> was introduced as an encroachment on their privacy, and opted to
> permanently suppress their caller id; my mother-in-law was one. (I
> thought it was mildly stupid to do so at the time, and how things have
> turned out have confirmed my opinion.) That's why hidden numbers show
> as "private" on many handsets. A significant proportion of our calls
> that show "private" are calls we want, sort of.
>
> What I'd really like is Telecom's call minder service to automatically
> divert calls with hidden numbers to a message that explained my
> dislike of them, and gave instruction on how to override the
> suppression of caller id, if they really want to call us.
>

Telephone lesson 101. Hanging up. Worked for Dr Watson.
 
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      12-10-2010
On 2010-12-08, Allistar <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> victor wrote:
>
>> On 9/12/2010 8:04 a.m., Allistar wrote:
>>> victor wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/12/2010 3:57 p.m., Allistar wrote:
>>>>> Malcolm Moore wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:19:26 +1300, Allistar<(E-Mail Removed)>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Donchano wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have Caller ID on you phone? When we get a call from any
>>>>>>>> "Private Caller" whose voice we don't recognise (a neighbour who's a
>>>>>>>> solo mum with two teen girls blocks her number on all calls by
>>>>>>>> default) we simply say, "We don't accept calls from annonymous
>>>>>>>> callers. Goodbye." Saves a lot of time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't answer "private" or "unlisted" calls at all. We just let
>>>>>>> them ring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are good reasons why a legitimate caller will be "unlisted". eg
>>>>>> Medical Centres will often be unlisted to preserve patient
>>>>>> confidentiality. They may merely be ringing to inform someone of their
>>>>>> lab test results, but the fact that there has been contact between a
>>>>>> doctor and patient is confidential and should not be divulged to other
>>>>>> members of the household. Caller ID does divulge that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our policy is that if it's important then they will leave a message.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>> How can you tell ?
>>>
>>> By definition: if they don't leave a message then it wasn't important
>>> enough
>>> And no, our doctor does not block their number.

>>
>> It might be important to you but not to them.

>
> It's never been a problem so far.
>
>> I never bother with caller ID at home, but I do use the last caller *52
>> on TC if I miss a call. Plenty of calls I want to take come up as
>> private. Most govt departments, my wife's employment, my mum, other
>> businesses, paying customers, relatives in top secret jobs. Once you
>> have one regular call who has their number blocked, then the others look
>> the same.

>
> We have a couple of friends who block their caller id, and so we suggest if
> they want to call us then they text us first.
>
> The thing is that telemarketers and those taking surveys are so damned
> annoying that simply not answering such calls is the best solution for us.
>
> There are other tricks too: if they ask you if you own your own house you
> simply say "no" whether you do or not. They tend to be selling some kind of
> mortgage product and aren't interested in renters.
>
> If they ask about your insulation say that you're already sorted in that
> area. It annoys me when they suggest you can get free subsidised insulation.
> Which is it? Free or subsidised because those two words are not equivalent.
> If it's subsidised by the state then it most definitely is NOT free.

 
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      12-10-2010
On 9/12/2010 10:41 a.m., Allistar wrote:

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> We have a couple of friends who block their caller id, and so we suggest if
> they want to call us then they text us first.
>
> The thing is that telemarketers and those taking surveys are so damned
> annoying that simply not answering such calls is the best solution for us.
>
> There are other tricks too: if they ask you if you own your own house you
> simply say "no" whether you do or not. They tend to be selling some kind of
> mortgage product and aren't interested in renters.
>
> If they ask about your insulation say that you're already sorted in that
> area. It annoys me when they suggest you can get free subsidised insulation.
> Which is it? Free or subsidised because those two words are not equivalent.
> If it's subsidised by the state then it most definitely is NOT free.


They wouldn't get that far, I don't get enough unsolicited nuisance
calls to be a big problem but I do cut them off pretty quick.
 
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Peter Huebner
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      12-10-2010
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed)mer says...
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> yep, 99% of hidden numbers are telemarketers or other conmen
>
>


Unfortunately not. I have two neighbours who block their number, one is a slightly
paranoid single woman, the other I've simply no idea why they do it. We get calls
from wwoofers, and for some reason not clear to me it seems that many sim cards
these people purchase for their mobile phones in nz come up as 'private caller'.
In fact the majority of mobile calls I get do that. I don't let telemarketers get
more than one sentence in edgeways. "I don't want to talk to you. *click*" The
only way they really annoy me is when they call in the middle of my cooking tea.

-P.
 
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      12-11-2010
On Dec 10, 9:08*pm, Gordon <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On 2010-12-08, John Little <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


> > What I'd really like is Telecom's call minder service to automatically
> > divert calls with hidden numbers to a message that explained my
> > dislike of them, and gave instruction on how to override the
> > suppression of caller id, if they really want to call us.

>
> Telephone lesson 101. Hanging up. Worked for Dr Watson.


You sound like the spammers, saying just hit delete.

Doesn't get the message across, to encourage ordinary people to stop
helping the scammers.
 
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victor
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      12-11-2010
On 12/12/2010 12:02 a.m., John Little wrote:
> On Dec 10, 9:08 pm, Gordon<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> On 2010-12-08, John Little<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>>> What I'd really like is Telecom's call minder service to automatically
>>> divert calls with hidden numbers to a message that explained my
>>> dislike of them, and gave instruction on how to override the
>>> suppression of caller id, if they really want to call us.

>>
>> Telephone lesson 101. Hanging up. Worked for Dr Watson.

>
> You sound like the spammers, saying just hit delete.
>
> Doesn't get the message across, to encourage ordinary people to stop
> helping the scammers.


I doubt whether they really give a ****, which is unfortunate for your
righteous crusade.

Not all blocked caller IDs are scammers though, so the service you
propose would not be in Telecoms interest.

If you want anonymous call blocking it is available from some voip
service providers but they don't divert to an explanatory message, you
could probably set that up if you ran your own asterisk box.

It would take some effort though.
 
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