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Chris H
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      12-01-2010
In message <id3ll8$c7a$(E-Mail Removed)-september.org>, Richard
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>Despite the luminaries here telling us that debuggers are useless and
>that its twice as hard to debug a program as is it is write code
>properly the first time, I thought some of you might enjoy this
>
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0229726822034#
>
>This Stanford lecturer agrees with me : debuggers help you track state
>and force test conditions in a controlled manner. Obviously he's not as
>smart as the people here who claim they prefer to read a print out .....


However his claims he is the first to do it are wron. I have used
several commercial systems over a decade ago that could do what he is
claiming to have done first.
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Ian Collins
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      12-01-2010
On 12/ 1/10 09:01 PM, Chris H wrote:
> In message<id3ll8$c7a$(E-Mail Removed)-september.org>, Richard
> <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
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>> Despite the luminaries here telling us that debuggers are useless and
>> that its twice as hard to debug a program as is it is write code
>> properly the first time, I thought some of you might enjoy this
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0229726822034#
>>
>> This Stanford lecturer agrees with me : debuggers help you track state
>> and force test conditions in a controlled manner. Obviously he's not as
>> smart as the people here who claim they prefer to read a print out .....

>
> However his claims he is the first to do it are wron. I have used
> several commercial systems over a decade ago that could do what he is
> claiming to have done first.


I've done what he describes with a hardware trace buffer way back when,
but not until recently with a software solution.

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      12-01-2010
In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, Ian Collins <ian-
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>On 12/ 1/10 09:01 PM, Chris H wrote:
>> In message<id3ll8$c7a$(E-Mail Removed)-september.org>, Richard
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>>>
>>> Despite the luminaries here telling us that debuggers are useless and
>>> that its twice as hard to debug a program as is it is write code
>>> properly the first time, I thought some of you might enjoy this
>>>
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0229726822034#
>>>
>>> This Stanford lecturer agrees with me : debuggers help you track state
>>> and force test conditions in a controlled manner. Obviously he's not as
>>> smart as the people here who claim they prefer to read a print out .....

>>
>> However his claims he is the first to do it are wron. I have used
>> several commercial systems over a decade ago that could do what he is
>> claiming to have done first.

>
>I've done what he describes with a hardware trace buffer way back when,
>but not until recently with a software solution.
>


Software solutions tended to be easier than the hardware ones. The
Hardware Emulators had to reveres all the target hardware as well Though
even that was being done over a decided ago.



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      12-01-2010
In message <id5l6o$961$(E-Mail Removed)-september.org>, Richard
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>Chris H <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>
>> In message <id3ll8$c7a$(E-Mail Removed)-september.org>, Richard
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>>>
>>>Despite the luminaries here telling us that debuggers are useless and
>>>that its twice as hard to debug a program as is it is write code
>>>properly the first time, I thought some of you might enjoy this
>>>
>>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0229726822034#
>>>
>>>This Stanford lecturer agrees with me : debuggers help you track state
>>>and force test conditions in a controlled manner. Obviously he's not as
>>>smart as the people here who claim they prefer to read a print out .....

>>
>> However his claims he is the first to do it are wron. I have used
>> several commercial systems over a decade ago that could do what he is
>> claiming to have done first.

>
>He didn't claim to be first. In fact he went out of his way to stress he
>wasn't first.


Fair enough.... I stopped watching after he said he was the first to do
it in the introduction.

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      12-01-2010
In message <id5mom$e79$(E-Mail Removed)-september.org>, Richard
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>Chris H <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
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>> In message <id5l6o$961$(E-Mail Removed)-september.org>, Richard
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>>>Chris H <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>>>
>>>> In message <id3ll8$c7a$(E-Mail Removed)-september.org>, Richard
>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>>>>>
>>>>>Despite the luminaries here telling us that debuggers are useless and
>>>>>that its twice as hard to debug a program as is it is write code
>>>>>properly the first time, I thought some of you might enjoy this
>>>>>
>>>>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0229726822034#
>>>>>
>>>>>This Stanford lecturer agrees with me : debuggers help you track state
>>>>>and force test conditions in a controlled manner. Obviously he's not as
>>>>>smart as the people here who claim they prefer to read a print out .....
>>>>
>>>> However his claims he is the first to do it are wron. I have used
>>>> several commercial systems over a decade ago that could do what he is
>>>> claiming to have done first.
>>>
>>>He didn't claim to be first. In fact he went out of his way to stress he
>>>wasn't first.

>>
>> Fair enough.... I stopped watching after he said he was the first to do
>> it in the introduction.

>
>In fairness to you he says he's the first to make it efficient
>(recording of state).


Then unless he did it over 15 years ago he is wrong.

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