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Dennis Lee Bieber
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      11-15-2010
On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 16:32:24 -0600, Jorge Biquez <>
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> I was wondering if you can share what was the strategy you followed
> to master Python (Yes I know I have to work hard study and practice a
> lot). I mean did you use special books, special sites, a plan to


I picked up the first edition "Programming Python" (and a now
forgotten competitor book) since the Amiga was mentioned... Read the
tutorial, the reference manual, skimmed the library manual... And by the
end of the week, using the applicable RFC for protocol description, I
wrote a client SMTP email sending module for the Amiga as the utilities
I'd been using were flawed (to give one an idea of how old this was --
the first SMTP utility did NOT rely on the now common practice of
relaying via local ISP but instead created an outgoing message for EACH
addressee, and would sequentially contact the destination host directly;
which failed if the address required an MX look-up, and failure blocked
the entire outgoing mail queue... the second utility did relay, but was
miscoded on how to handle CC and BCC entries -- apparently it thought
the relay host would parse those in the message).

But that won't help you unless you already know five or six
languages of different types, at least well enough to understand the
concepts (my background had primary FORTRAN 77; college COBOL, Pascal,
APL, assembly, FORTRAN-IV, and post-college LISP [on a TRS-80], Pascal,
K&R C, BASIC, and intro to Ada, C/C++, AREXX, VMS DCL), along with
exposure to structured design techniques (Python is practically an
executable pseudo-code).
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Lou Pecora
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      11-16-2010
In article <mailman.1013.1289791781.2218.python->,
Dennis Lee Bieber <> wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 16:32:24 -0600, Jorge Biquez <>
> declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
>
> > I was wondering if you can share what was the strategy you followed
> > to master Python (Yes I know I have to work hard study and practice a
> > lot). I mean did you use special books, special sites, a plan to

>
> I picked up the first edition "Programming Python" (and a now
> forgotten competitor book) since the Amiga was mentioned...


I'll jump in and recommend the book "Python in a Nutshell" by Martelli.
It may be a little dated now, but it covers many Python topics in good
detail without becoming a bloated reference. Nicely written. It's still
the first book I reach for after 6 years of Python coding and it rarely
disappoints.

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Steve Holden
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      11-16-2010
On 11/16/2010 2:22 PM, Lou Pecora wrote:
> I'll jump in and recommend the book "Python in a Nutshell" by Martelli.
> It may be a little dated now, but it covers many Python topics in good
> detail without becoming a bloated reference. Nicely written. It's still
> the first book I reach for after 6 years of Python coding and it rarely
> disappoints.


+1

It's encyclopedic.

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Lou Pecora
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      11-18-2010
In article <mailman.1048.1289936253.2218.python->,
Steve Holden <> wrote:

> On 11/16/2010 2:22 PM, Lou Pecora wrote:
> > I'll jump in and recommend the book "Python in a Nutshell" by Martelli.
> > It may be a little dated now, but it covers many Python topics in good
> > detail without becoming a bloated reference. Nicely written. It's still
> > the first book I reach for after 6 years of Python coding and it rarely
> > disappoints.

>
> +1
>
> It's encyclopedic.


Indeed. I hope Martelli updates it. I'd buy another copy right away.

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      11-18-2010
+2 I also agree.

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In article <mailman.1048.1289936253.2218.python->,
Steve Holden <> wrote:

> On 11/16/2010 2:22 PM, Lou Pecora wrote:
> > I'll jump in and recommend the book "Python in a Nutshell" by Martelli.
> > It may be a little dated now, but it covers many Python topics in good
> > detail without becoming a bloated reference. Nicely written. It's still
> > the first book I reach for after 6 years of Python coding and it rarely
> > disappoints.

>
> +1
>
> It's encyclopedic.


Indeed. I hope Martelli updates it. I'd buy another copy right away.

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Paul Rubin
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      11-18-2010
Lou Pecora <> writes:
>> > I'll jump in and recommend the book "Python in a Nutshell" by Martelli.

>> It's encyclopedic.

> Indeed. I hope Martelli updates it. I'd buy another copy right away.


It's a great book but not a starting point for beginners. It's
definitely worth having for more advanced users.
 
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Lou Pecora
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      11-19-2010
In article <>,
Paul Rubin <> wrote:

> Lou Pecora <> writes:
> >> > I'll jump in and recommend the book "Python in a Nutshell" by Martelli.
> >> It's encyclopedic.

> > Indeed. I hope Martelli updates it. I'd buy another copy right away.

>
> It's a great book but not a starting point for beginners. It's
> definitely worth having for more advanced users.


I would beg to differ. I used it from the start of my Python learning
curve and was greatly helped by it. For me it gave explanations at just
the right level with paths to more detail if you wanted. I found it
helpful from the beginning. I would recommended others to at least look
at it. You might be helped right away and it's a good addition to any
Python programmer's library.

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Steve Holden
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      11-19-2010
On 11/19/2010 10:55 AM, Lou Pecora wrote:
> In article <>,
> Paul Rubin <> wrote:
>
>> Lou Pecora <> writes:
>>>>> I'll jump in and recommend the book "Python in a Nutshell" by Martelli.
>>>> It's encyclopedic.
>>> Indeed. I hope Martelli updates it. I'd buy another copy right away.

>>
>> It's a great book but not a starting point for beginners. It's
>> definitely worth having for more advanced users.

>
> I would beg to differ. I used it from the start of my Python learning
> curve and was greatly helped by it. For me it gave explanations at just
> the right level with paths to more detail if you wanted. I found it
> helpful from the beginning. I would recommended others to at least look
> at it. You might be helped right away and it's a good addition to any
> Python programmer's library.
>

I'd say "Nushell" is a great book for experienced programmers, whether
in Python or other languages. It's definitely not something I would
recommend for a programming noob.

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Steve
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