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Theo Markettos
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      10-21-2010
Graham. <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> My lad got connected to the 50Mb service on Tuesday. He is in the
> Kensinton district of Liverpool Initially has snails pace speeds, but they
> improved after 12 hours. I put f8lure ping monotoring on his connection,
> the 1st 24 hour graph is intresting, but not very encouraging
> http://bbbbbbmm.netfirms.com/f8lure.jpg


What day is this?

Looking at the Virgin forum, lots of other people are having lag/jitter
issues at the moment, looks like it's a national problem. FWIW SSH and
streaming audio were unusable yesterday, today they're fine. I haven't
tried VOIP.

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ble/bd-p/Fibre

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tony sayer
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      10-21-2010
In article <(E-Mail Removed)
s.com>, KevinSmith <(E-Mail Removed)> scribeth thus
>Hi Tony
>
>Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
>speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
>speed of the line.
>
>What about delay and jitter on the line?
>
>thanks Kevin


No problems that I've noticed!...
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Brian A
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      10-21-2010
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:19:31 -0700, KevinSmith wrote:

> Hello
>
> I'm using Gradwell's VOIP service which I'm happy with. My TalkTalk
> broadband connection is the weak link. Often I get good results but
> other times there's excessive delay or choppy speech. My options are:
>
> 1. Pay £30 a month for a broadband connection provided by Gradwell that
> offers "Direct connection to the Gradwell VoIP network" 2. Pay £20 a
> month for a connection from Virgin. It has the advantage of much higher
> badwidth.
>
> I'm wondering if you have any experience with Virgin. Can you get
> consistently good call quality over their network using VOIP?
>
> Thanks and regards
> Kevin Smith

I've been on VM for several years (Since before it became VM - Telewest),
all that time I have been using Voip and the only time I have ever got
any real problems was when they were upgrading the network, but that was
only during one upgrade. There have been times when the broadband has
gone down as well.
Overall I am generally happy with VM. One of the prime reasons I stay
with them is that I know that the Voip is good.





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Don
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      10-21-2010
In news:TSr*(E-Mail Removed),
Theo Markettos <(E-Mail Removed)> typed:
> Graham. <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> My lad got connected to the 50Mb service on Tuesday. He is in the
>> Kensinton district of Liverpool Initially has snails pace speeds,
>> but they improved after 12 hours. I put f8lure ping monotoring on
>> his connection, the 1st 24 hour graph is intresting, but not very
>> encouraging http://bbbbbbmm.netfirms.com/f8lure.jpg

>
> What day is this?
>
> Looking at the Virgin forum, lots of other people are having
> lag/jitter issues at the moment, looks like it's a national problem.
> FWIW SSH and streaming audio were unusable yesterday, today they're
> fine. I haven't tried VOIP.
>
> http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ble/bd-p/Fibre
>
> Theo


Just tried Speedtest.net and Pingtest.net on my 10Mb cable connection in
Leeds (82.8.14.xxx). Results were exactly as expected :-
To Birmnigham - Ping 19ms, download 9.87Mb/s, upload 0.48 Mb/s
To Manchester - Ping 21ms, packet loss 0, Jitter 1ms

I probably get one outage every six months, occasionally lasting half a day.
My IP address has changed 9 times in 2 years, but one of those addresses
lasted 8 months. I've not had to ring them for several years now, other
than to check the status on 0800-052 4315. It just works, and fine for VOIP
too.

Don


 
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      10-22-2010

"KevinSmith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
Thanks Woody, Gordon, and "News Reader" for taking the time to reply
to my query, and for your valuable suggestions. Please excuse me if my
reply is a bit rambling, it's just that there are so many options!

I'm interested in Virgin (Cable) Broadband as I don't want the hassle
of migrating my TalkTalk connection to another provider. (I think it's
going to be quite fussy as it will mean I first have to migrate my
POTS/Old Fashioned phone service to BT before migrating the broadband
to a specialist ISP.) This way I can test out Virgin's performance and
then take time to first migrate my work voip line and then in time my
home phone number which is still on POTS.

I asked the question about Virgin as the upstairs flat is already
using Virgin broadband. I've trespassed onto their unsecured WiFi to
do a VOIP test at http://www.voipreview.org/voipspeedtester.aspx. Most
things checked out OK except "consistency of service" which was
showing a red indicator with 20% reading. Also 9.2ms jitter. It is
possible that these problems were introduced by the final wireless leg
of the journey.




< SNIP >




Well so far AASP seems to be the best option as it's got that
assurance of performance and a high bandwidth option if you go for
21CN.

Thanks very much
Kevin



= = =


Hi,


Your stats are likely (from upstairs wireless) are likely to be impacted by
the connection already being in use / loaded / under load.

If it was your connection or a completely idle connection, directly wired...
should be essentially almost perfect (or correct / "perfect") / LAN style
connection.


Best wishes,




News Reader




 
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Graham.
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      10-22-2010
> I've not had to ring them for several years now, other than to check the status on 0800-052 4315.

They want your Virgin phone number. That's a little presumptuous. Don't they know that they offer
cable services that don't include a phone line?

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Nick
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      10-23-2010
On 21/10/2010 16:20, KevinSmith wrote:
> Hi Tony
>
> Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
> speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
> speed of the line.
>


That certainly wasn't the case when I tried VM 20Mb/s service a couple
of years ago. Heavily congested in the evening with single connection
speeds dropping as low as 1Mb/s.

Even when the VM line wasn't congested my Zen ADSL Max line ~4Mb/s
outperformed on video streaming web sites. I really don't understand why.

> What about delay and jitter on the line?
>


When I tested VM jitter was high but this was from a much lower average
latency than my Zen ADSL line so it isn't fair to regard it as a
negative. A jitter buffer would make use of the low latency to minimise
the jitter and still have a lower effective latency than the ADSL line.


 
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tony sayer
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      10-23-2010
In article <4cc2b0bb$0$1568$c3e8da3$(E-Mail Removed) m>, Nick
<(E-Mail Removed)> scribeth thus
>On 21/10/2010 16:20, KevinSmith wrote:
>> Hi Tony
>>
>> Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
>> speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
>> speed of the line.
>>

>
>That certainly wasn't the case when I tried VM 20Mb/s service a couple
>of years ago. Heavily congested in the evening with single connection
>speeds dropping as low as 1Mb/s.


Was that from a Virgin network line i.e. delivered by co-axial cable, or
virgin subbing out to BT over ADSL?..


If so can you say where this was on the VM net?..
>
>Even when the VM line wasn't congested my Zen ADSL Max line ~4Mb/s
>outperformed on video streaming web sites. I really don't understand why.
>
>> What about delay and jitter on the line?
>>

>
>When I tested VM jitter was high but this was from a much lower average
>latency than my Zen ADSL line so it isn't fair to regard it as a
>negative. A jitter buffer would make use of the low latency to minimise
>the jitter and still have a lower effective latency than the ADSL line.
>
>


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Nick
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      10-23-2010
On 23/10/2010 12:26, tony sayer wrote:
> In article<4cc2b0bb$0$1568$c3e8da3$(E-Mail Removed) aweb.com>, Nick
> <(E-Mail Removed)> scribeth thus
>> On 21/10/2010 16:20, KevinSmith wrote:
>>> Hi Tony
>>>
>>> Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
>>> speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
>>> speed of the line.
>>>

>>
>> That certainly wasn't the case when I tried VM 20Mb/s service a couple
>> of years ago. Heavily congested in the evening with single connection
>> speeds dropping as low as 1Mb/s.

>
> Was that from a Virgin network line i.e. delivered by co-axial cable, or
> virgin subbing out to BT over ADSL?..
>


It was VM cable not the BT based ADSL service. The ThinkBroadband
speedtest would give 19Mb in the morning and as low as 1Mb at 7.00pm.
Zen gave a constant 4Mb on the same test. So I know it was due to the VM
side not a problem with the test (at least up to 4Mb)

I should also make clear the reference to single connection speed. If I
were to use enough connections, e.g. multiple users, multi-thread
download manager, bittorrent, etc I could always achieve close to 20Mb
with VM, even at heavily congested times.

I personally came to the conclusion that my internet usage was dominated
by applications that used single connections and that the 4Mb ADSL line
was slightly superior for this type of use. If I had been more
interested in heavy downloading via mutithread/multiconnection apps VM
would have won hands down.



 
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Daniel Smith
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      10-23-2010
On 23/10/10 13:00, Nick wrote:
> On 23/10/2010 12:26, tony sayer wrote:
>> In article<4cc2b0bb$0$1568$c3e8da3$(E-Mail Removed) aweb.com>, Nick
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> scribeth thus
>>> On 21/10/2010 16:20, KevinSmith wrote:
>>>> Hi Tony
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
>>>> speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
>>>> speed of the line.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That certainly wasn't the case when I tried VM 20Mb/s service a couple
>>> of years ago. Heavily congested in the evening with single connection
>>> speeds dropping as low as 1Mb/s.

>>
>> Was that from a Virgin network line i.e. delivered by co-axial cable, or
>> virgin subbing out to BT over ADSL?..
>>

>
> It was VM cable not the BT based ADSL service. The ThinkBroadband
> speedtest would give 19Mb in the morning and as low as 1Mb at 7.00pm.
> Zen gave a constant 4Mb on the same test. So I know it was due to the VM
> side not a problem with the test (at least up to 4Mb)
>
> I should also make clear the reference to single connection speed. If I
> were to use enough connections, e.g. multiple users, multi-thread
> download manager, bittorrent, etc I could always achieve close to 20Mb
> with VM, even at heavily congested times.
>
> I personally came to the conclusion that my internet usage was dominated
> by applications that used single connections and that the 4Mb ADSL line
> was slightly superior for this type of use. If I had been more
> interested in heavy downloading via mutithread/multiconnection apps VM
> would have won hands down.
>
>
>


I used VM coax for 1 year at 10M

in quiet times i got 10M down 1M up with a latancy of about 120ms

at the wost of the congestion (which was most of the time ) i got 10M
down 0.5M up with 14000ms latancy (yes thats right a whole 14 seconds of
latancy)!

VM is fine if nobody else in your area uses, it, but if they do then avoid!
 
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