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peterwn
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      09-22-2010
I am helping someone with purchase recommendation. 15 inch or so
screen satisfactory and MS Office 2010 (with Publisher and Access) to
be used. User under pressure could have various Word, Publisher and
image files open.
My gut feeling is mid range processor (i5 or similar) and 4G memory.
However would bottom range laptops with 2G memory handle such a
workload satisfactorily?
Is there any pressing need for Windows 7 Professional over Home
Premium - needs to network to another computer (shared documents) and
a network photocopier/printer?
 
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William Brown
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      09-22-2010
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:14:02 -0700 (PDT), peterwn <>
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>I am helping someone with purchase recommendation. 15 inch or so
>screen satisfactory and MS Office 2010 (with Publisher and Access) to
>be used. User under pressure could have various Word, Publisher and
>image files open.
>My gut feeling is mid range processor (i5 or similar) and 4G memory.
>However would bottom range laptops with 2G memory handle such a
>workload satisfactorily?
>Is there any pressing need for Windows 7 Professional over Home
>Premium - needs to network to another computer (shared documents) and
>a network photocopier/printer?




Go for 4gb and a dedicated Separate Graphics Chip, not just the Inbuilt
Intel one..
 
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      09-23-2010

"peterwn" <> wrote in message
news:b0762030-ebc9-4606-b7d4-...
> I am helping someone with purchase recommendation. 15 inch or so
> screen satisfactory and MS Office 2010 (with Publisher and Access) to
> be used. User under pressure could have various Word, Publisher and
> image files open.
> My gut feeling is mid range processor (i5 or similar) and 4G memory.
> However would bottom range laptops with 2G memory handle such a
> workload satisfactorily?
> Is there any pressing need for Windows 7 Professional over Home
> Premium - needs to network to another computer (shared documents) and
> a network photocopier/printer?




Peter

Do research your friends requirements 'carefully' as it is so easy to push
them toward a Laptop that you want rather than what they want.

In general you get what you pay for.
There is a reason why any given Laptop of the same spec is cheaper than
another and it usually means lower performance or reliability parts have
been used.
There a few 'bargains' out there as there are only a handful of 'real'
Laptop Manufacturers and the whole production process is pretty refined
nowadays.
From: http://ezinearticles.com/?OEM---The-...ptop&id=482010
<quote>
True manufacturers like Quanta and Compal (which is not Compaq) alone
produce almost 50% of all the portables run out in the world. The remainder
is divided between Wistron, Asus, Uniwill, Clevo, FIC, Aopen, ECS, etc.
</quote>
You may like to note the only 'Brand' listed is Asus.

As for retail brands, have a read of this document produced by an extended
warranty insurance company
http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/lap..._war_buyerblog
In that report they put Toshiba and Asus at the top and HP at the bottom.
(which surprises a lot of people)

This is not the only 'reliability' survey that has appeared lately with HP
at the bottom and it all stems from the 'Pavilion' line of laptops.
The problem lies with the 'DV' series with nVidea graphics chips that got
hot and unsoldered themselves from the mother board.
Unless you have reflow soldering equipment to hand its a new motherboard and
at just under $700 they effectively write the laptop off.
The HP Probook and Elitebook range on the other hand are a different kettle
of fish, if they were separated out the surveys would show a different
picture.

So:

Stick to Toshiba, Asus or HP "Pro/Elitebook"
i3 or i5 CPU, i3 if virtualization is not important, i5 if you need to run
Pro's XPMode virtual XP PC (or a little more performance)
i7's are great if you want maximum performance but a) you pay for it in $
and heat b) often come in 17" LCD which is to big for convenient
portability.
AMD is simply not in the hunt, and although cheaper, loose their edge
quicker.

4 GB of RAM so Windows 7 runs properly, if you go for 64bit make sure the
Laptop will support 8GB of RAM to allow headroom for OS Bloat.
32 bit Windows can't use more than 3GB of RAM and should only be considered
if there are legacy applications that need 32 bit Windows to work.
One of the easiest 'fixes' I get to do these days is to add RAM to an
XP/Vist/W7 PC that came with the minimum 'recommended' RAM
Particularly so if their HD is a slower 5400 RPM one, Windows paging to slow
drives like this is 'painful' and simply solved by getting (today) 4GB of
RAM in the first place.

Hard drive size is a value call but most of the mainstream 15"ers are
offering 250 - 500GB these days.
SSD hard drives are not quite there yet, expensive per GB, and a bit
'bleeding edge' for general use.

Optical drive, most offer a DVD RW/Lightscribe/RAM drive, more bucks will
buy a BluRay, again a value call for the buyer.

Screen quality is not a particular worry as even the cheapest are 'good'
enough for Office, email use.
Screen size is a value call 15-16 " is mainstream, but if your friend
carries the Laptop around a lot 13-14" is a lot more convenient.
Resolution is mainstreaming at 1366 x 768, higher resolutions (eg 1600 x
1200) will cost.
Go for LED backlight to lower power consumption and extended life.

Graphics chipset is a trade off between power and convenience.
Despite what Woger says the Intel chipsets are good enough for general use
and some even include HDMI output.
(just checked 1080p movie on a HM57 Express chipset, ran just fine.)
Sure a separate Graphics chip is needed it you are into games, but you pay
for it in power consumption, a bigger power brick, shorter battery life and
much more heat from the Laptop and power brick.
There are some Laptops that hibernate the grunty graphics chip and use an
onboard when demands are low, but again you pay for the privilege.

Battery life, 6 cell or 9 cell ??? depends on a) the power consumption/spec
of the Laptop b) what the owner expects, another buyers value call.

Dial up Modem, I've noticed some laptops are omitting 56K modems, something
the buyer needs to consider if Dial up is required, though a USB modem from
DSE could be thrown in the bag 'in case'.

As for Windows other than the 32/64 bit issue the only practical advantage
of Pro over Home Premium is Pro will allow remote control out of the tin,
and 'XP Mode' Virtual XP PC.
There are other advantages but for the average user not significant.
Home Premium will network quite happily with any of the MS OS's (W3.1 up
AFAIK).


Best
Paul.




 
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Simon
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      09-23-2010
On Sep 23, 2:00*pm, "PeeCee" <ab...@local.host> wrote:

> 4 GB of RAM so Windows 7 runs properly, if you go for 64bit make sure the
> Laptop will support 8GB of RAM to allow headroom for OS Bloat.


4Gb is usually fine - we run all our laptops with that amount of RAM,
and use Office 2010 Pro. Total RAM utilisation is around the 2-2.5GB
mark in that config. But I agree it's a good idea to make sure that
it'll support more, as user expectations and utilisation never remain
what they thought/said it would!


> Screen quality is not a particular worry as even the cheapest are 'good'
> enough for Office, email use.
> Screen size is a value call 15-16 " is mainstream, but if your friend
> carries the Laptop around a lot 13-14" is a lot more convenient.
> Resolution is mainstreaming at 1366 x 768, higher resolutions (eg 1600 x
> 1200) will cost.
> Go for LED backlight to lower power consumption and extended life.
>
> Graphics chipset is a trade off between power and convenience.
> Despite what Woger says the Intel chipsets are good enough for general use
> and some even include HDMI output.
> (just checked 1080p movie on a HM57 Express chipset, ran just fine.)


But of course on a 1366 x 768 resolution laptop, you're not going to
be able to enjoy true 1080p anyway.... but that's a moot point.

To be honest, I find the vertical resolution of 768 quite annoying. It
doesn't let me view enough of a document or email unless I scale it.
Of course I could just be getting fussy.
 
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Dave Taylor
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      09-23-2010
peterwn <> wrote in news:b0762030-ebc9-4606-b7d4-
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> My gut feeling is mid range processor (i5 or similar) and 4G memory.
> However would bottom range laptops with 2G memory handle such a
> workload satisfactorily?


Maybe if they have an older machine and are already used to the paging
performance hit.

Get more RAM, it is cheap.

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Ciao, Dave
 
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Richard
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      09-23-2010
On 23/09/2010 3:00 p.m., Simon wrote:
> On Sep 23, 2:00 pm, "PeeCee"<ab...@local.host> wrote:
>
>> 4 GB of RAM so Windows 7 runs properly, if you go for 64bit make sure the
>> Laptop will support 8GB of RAM to allow headroom for OS Bloat.

>
> 4Gb is usually fine - we run all our laptops with that amount of RAM,
> and use Office 2010 Pro. Total RAM utilisation is around the 2-2.5GB
> mark in that config. But I agree it's a good idea to make sure that
> it'll support more, as user expectations and utilisation never remain
> what they thought/said it would!


Some will take 4GB sticks to go past 4GB, most will not. And whenever I
have priced it out it has been cheaper to buy a laptop with the minimum
ram, and then buy what you want elsewhere and swap it over.

Same with HDD

>> Screen quality is not a particular worry as even the cheapest are 'good'
>> enough for Office, email use.
>> Screen size is a value call 15-16 " is mainstream, but if your friend
>> carries the Laptop around a lot 13-14" is a lot more convenient.
>> Resolution is mainstreaming at 1366 x 768, higher resolutions (eg 1600 x
>> 1200) will cost.
>> Go for LED backlight to lower power consumption and extended life.
>>
>> Graphics chipset is a trade off between power and convenience.
>> Despite what Woger says the Intel chipsets are good enough for general use
>> and some even include HDMI output.
>> (just checked 1080p movie on a HM57 Express chipset, ran just fine.)

>
> But of course on a 1366 x 768 resolution laptop, you're not going to
> be able to enjoy true 1080p anyway.... but that's a moot point.
>
> To be honest, I find the vertical resolution of 768 quite annoying. It
> doesn't let me view enough of a document or email unless I scale it.
> Of course I could just be getting fussy.


No, its a real issue, particually if you size the taskbar up to 2 or 3
rows to fit more on. And 7 has an inexplicably high button height on the
taskbar that I have found no way to resolve. Could almost fit 2 lines of
text on each of the button.

Higher res panels are a real premium item, and they only seem to offer
it on the high spec laptops. I would be quite happy with a crap laptop
with 1920x1200 screen since when at home I tent to RDP to the desktop
since it has the apps on it, and when out I am just doing basic stuff.
 
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      09-23-2010
On Sep 23, 2:00*pm, "PeeCee" <ab...@local.host> wrote:
> "peterwn" <pmiln...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b0762030-ebc9-4606-b7d4-...
>
> > I am helping someone with purchase recommendation. 15 inch or so
> > screen satisfactory and MS Office 2010 (with Publisher and Access) to
> > be used. User under pressure could have various Word, Publisher and
> > image files open.
> > My gut feeling is mid range processor (i5 or similar) and 4G memory.
> > However would bottom range laptops with 2G memory handle such a
> > workload satisfactorily?
> > Is there any pressing need for Windows 7 Professional over Home
> > Premium - needs to network to another computer (shared documents) and
> > a network photocopier/printer?

>
> Peter
>
> Do research your friends requirements 'carefully' as it is so easy to push
> them toward a Laptop that you want rather than what they want.


Agree. Friend has 8 year old laptop running Office XP etc and speed
and prospective reliability are now issues. Friend also wants Office
2010 (with Access and Publisher). So I think I know friend's
requirements reasonably well. Friend's organisation will purchase
laptop but would need to be reasonably convinced why a $799 laptop 'on
special' is unlikely to be satisfactory.

After considering various comments made in this thread, it seems a mid
range laptop intended for the corporate rather than consumer market
will best meet needs.

Thanks everyone for comments.
 
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      09-24-2010
Somewhere on teh intarwebs peterwn wrote:
> On Sep 23, 2:00 pm, "PeeCee" <ab...@local.host> wrote:
>> "peterwn" <pmiln...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:b0762030-ebc9-4606-b7d4-...
>>
>>> I am helping someone with purchase recommendation. 15 inch or so
>>> screen satisfactory and MS Office 2010 (with Publisher and Access)
>>> to be used. User under pressure could have various Word, Publisher
>>> and image files open.
>>> My gut feeling is mid range processor (i5 or similar) and 4G memory.
>>> However would bottom range laptops with 2G memory handle such a
>>> workload satisfactorily?
>>> Is there any pressing need for Windows 7 Professional over Home
>>> Premium - needs to network to another computer (shared documents)
>>> and a network photocopier/printer?

>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Do research your friends requirements 'carefully' as it is so easy
>> to push them toward a Laptop that you want rather than what they
>> want.

>
> Agree. Friend has 8 year old laptop running Office XP etc and speed
> and prospective reliability are now issues. Friend also wants Office
> 2010 (with Access and Publisher). So I think I know friend's
> requirements reasonably well. Friend's organisation will purchase
> laptop but would need to be reasonably convinced why a $799 laptop 'on
> special' is unlikely to be satisfactory.
>
> After considering various comments made in this thread, it seems a mid
> range laptop intended for the corporate rather than consumer market
> will best meet needs.
>
> Thanks everyone for comments.


A laptop designed for the corporate market is for sure the best choice. As a
rule of thumb I've suggested to people in the past that if it has a 'port'
for a docking station, chances are it's a reasonable laptop.
--
Shaun.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


 
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      09-24-2010
On 24/09/2010 9:44 a.m., peterwn wrote:
> On Sep 23, 2:00 pm, "PeeCee"<ab...@local.host> wrote:
>> "peterwn"<pmiln...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:b0762030-ebc9-4606-b7d4-...
>>
>>> I am helping someone with purchase recommendation. 15 inch or so
>>> screen satisfactory and MS Office 2010 (with Publisher and Access) to
>>> be used. User under pressure could have various Word, Publisher and
>>> image files open.
>>> My gut feeling is mid range processor (i5 or similar) and 4G memory.
>>> However would bottom range laptops with 2G memory handle such a
>>> workload satisfactorily?
>>> Is there any pressing need for Windows 7 Professional over Home
>>> Premium - needs to network to another computer (shared documents) and
>>> a network photocopier/printer?

>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Do research your friends requirements 'carefully' as it is so easy to push
>> them toward a Laptop that you want rather than what they want.

>
> Agree. Friend has 8 year old laptop running Office XP etc and speed
> and prospective reliability are now issues. Friend also wants Office
> 2010 (with Access and Publisher). So I think I know friend's
> requirements reasonably well. Friend's organisation will purchase
> laptop but would need to be reasonably convinced why a $799 laptop 'on
> special' is unlikely to be satisfactory.
>
> After considering various comments made in this thread, it seems a mid
> range laptop intended for the corporate rather than consumer market
> will best meet needs.
>
> Thanks everyone for comments.


Check out the SL series Lenovos, they are midrange corporate build
quality and they will fit your budget.
They are pretty linux friendly as well.

http://www.lenovo.com/nz/en/
 
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      09-25-2010
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:50:39 +1200, victor <> wrote:

>On 24/09/2010 9:44 a.m., peterwn wrote:
>> On Sep 23, 2:00 pm, "PeeCee"<ab...@local.host> wrote:
>>> "peterwn"<pmiln...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:b0762030-ebc9-4606-b7d4-...
>>>
>>>> I am helping someone with purchase recommendation. 15 inch or so
>>>> screen satisfactory and MS Office 2010 (with Publisher and Access) to
>>>> be used. User under pressure could have various Word, Publisher and
>>>> image files open.
>>>> My gut feeling is mid range processor (i5 or similar) and 4G memory.
>>>> However would bottom range laptops with 2G memory handle such a
>>>> workload satisfactorily?
>>>> Is there any pressing need for Windows 7 Professional over Home
>>>> Premium - needs to network to another computer (shared documents) and
>>>> a network photocopier/printer?
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Do research your friends requirements 'carefully' as it is so easy to push
>>> them toward a Laptop that you want rather than what they want.

>>
>> Agree. Friend has 8 year old laptop running Office XP etc and speed
>> and prospective reliability are now issues. Friend also wants Office
>> 2010 (with Access and Publisher). So I think I know friend's
>> requirements reasonably well. Friend's organisation will purchase
>> laptop but would need to be reasonably convinced why a $799 laptop 'on
>> special' is unlikely to be satisfactory.
>>
>> After considering various comments made in this thread, it seems a mid
>> range laptop intended for the corporate rather than consumer market
>> will best meet needs.
>>
>> Thanks everyone for comments.

>
>Check out the SL series Lenovos, they are midrange corporate build
>quality and they will fit your budget.
>They are pretty linux friendly as well.
>
>http://www.lenovo.com/nz/en/




No NO NO No one sells them any more

And the better revived models are no longer listed





 
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