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Tim Conway
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      07-29-2010

"Outing Trolls is FUN!" <> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:54:23 -0400, "Tim Conway" <>
> wrote:
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>>"Outing Trolls is FUN!" <> wrote in message
>>news:. ..
>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:18:34 -0400, "Peter"
>>> <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:2010072814221164440-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> More, and more he reminds me of "Buffalo Bill" from "Silence of the
>>>>> Lambs."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Don't criticize anyone until you've walked a mile in his shoes. By then
>>>>you'll be a mile away and he'll be barefoot.
>>>
>>> Poor conclusion. He wouldn't get two steps away before his life was
>>> brought
>>> to an abrupt ending. I've also lived barefoot for three years on a South
>>> Pacific island. Hiking for hundreds of miles barefoot while living
>>> there,
>>> while also carrying a 70 lb. backpack much of the time. 1 mile walked
>>> barefoot is not a concern of any kind. One of my fun pastimes was to
>>> play
>>> "mountain-goat" (while barefoot) and try to go everywhere the
>>> mountain-goats went on the mile-high cliffs just to see if I could. A
>>> skill
>>> that came in handy for hunting them for food too.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, it IS safe to criticize resident trolls in newsgroups
>>> that always hijack discussions for their own desperate need for
>>> attention
>>> and their desperate need to belong anywhere.
>>>
>>> Thanks for proving again that that is all that you are and will
>>> precisely
>>> ever be, a thread hijacking troll.
>>>

>>Wow, what a fiction writer you are.

>
> No fiction, all fact. I can even prove it with the knowledge I have about
> the healing plants of that region of the world and the wild foods from my
> having lived off the land while there. Knowledge that is not readily
> available on the net. Having done just that in the past, proved it, to
> useless trolls like you. Fools who think that anyone who hasn't lived as
> sheltered a life as you while sitting in your mommy's basement must be
> typing fiction. I bet you didn't think you would reveal that much about
> yourself with your one smarmy comment, now did you.
>

Dead wrong, dear.

 
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      07-29-2010
"Ben Dover" <> wrote in message
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> Much of my fortune, upon which I retired at an early age, was from drawing
> and painting. I apply those artistic skills to my photography too. You
> know
> not of what you speak. Your example, again, has made that more than
> perfectly clear.




At $0.05, if that much, per image, how many did you sell.
But then one person's garbage is another person's fortune. (with apologies
to the proverb writer)

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      07-29-2010
"tony cooper" <> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:54:50 -0500, Ben Dover <>
> wrote:
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>>>>First one is great, the shape of the wings is clear.
>>>>Try a square crop on it.
>>>
>>>A square crop would work, but not offer much in the way of
>>>improvement. Kinda iffy on square or rectangular on this one.

>>
>>A square composition would not work for this one. I knew that when I shot
>>it. Thanks for showing the whole world how little you know about
>>composition.

>
> Here's a squarish crop of a photograph I shot earlier today of a
> Four-Spotted Pennant dragonfly. Not a perfect square, but not in a
> standard rectangular ratio.
>
>
> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...3_YFpsT-XL.jpg
>



Try flipping so that the body runs from lower left to upper right.
To my eye the composition strengthens.



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      07-29-2010
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:12:19 -0400, "Peter" <>
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>"Ben Dover" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>
>> Much of my fortune, upon which I retired at an early age, was from drawing
>> and painting. I apply those artistic skills to my photography too. You
>> know
>> not of what you speak. Your example, again, has made that more than
>> perfectly clear.

>
>
>
>At $0.05, if that much, per image, how many did you sell.
>But then one person's garbage is another person's fortune. (with apologies
>to the proverb writer)


Trolling for attention again with your manipulative thread-hijacking
tactics? Have you tried getting that bottomless attention deficit pit of
yours fulfilled using real people? What's that? Nobody will do that for
you? Figures.



 
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      07-29-2010
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:28:01 -0400, "Peter" <>
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>"tony cooper" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:54:50 -0500, Ben Dover <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>First one is great, the shape of the wings is clear.
>>>>>Try a square crop on it.
>>>>
>>>>A square crop would work, but not offer much in the way of
>>>>improvement. Kinda iffy on square or rectangular on this one.
>>>
>>>A square composition would not work for this one. I knew that when I shot
>>>it. Thanks for showing the whole world how little you know about
>>>composition.

>>
>> Here's a squarish crop of a photograph I shot earlier today of a
>> Four-Spotted Pennant dragonfly. Not a perfect square, but not in a
>> standard rectangular ratio.
>>
>>
>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...3_YFpsT-XL.jpg
>>

>
>
>Try flipping so that the body runs from lower left to upper right.
>To my eye the composition strengthens.


What a great suggestion, you stupid **** of a buffoon. That's not going to
rid this of the BAD central X composition and it will make the light come
unnaturally from the bottom of the image. As if it wasn't bad enough.

Go ahead, give some more suggestions on how to make this pathetic
composition even worse.

I feel like I'm stuck living in a world of full of mental retards and I'm
the only who can reason and think adequately.

 
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      07-29-2010
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:28:01 -0400, "Peter" <>
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>"tony cooper" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:54:50 -0500, Ben Dover <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>First one is great, the shape of the wings is clear.
>>>>>Try a square crop on it.
>>>>
>>>>A square crop would work, but not offer much in the way of
>>>>improvement. Kinda iffy on square or rectangular on this one.
>>>
>>>A square composition would not work for this one. I knew that when I shot
>>>it. Thanks for showing the whole world how little you know about
>>>composition.

>>
>> Here's a squarish crop of a photograph I shot earlier today of a
>> Four-Spotted Pennant dragonfly. Not a perfect square, but not in a
>> standard rectangular ratio.
>>
>>
>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...3_YFpsT-XL.jpg
>>

>
>
>Try flipping so that the body runs from lower left to upper right.
>To my eye the composition strengthens.


What a great suggestion, you stupid **** of a buffoon. That's not going to
rid this of the BAD central X composition and it will make the light come
unnaturally from the bottom of the image. As if it wasn't bad enough.

Go ahead, give some more suggestions on how to make this pathetic
composition even worse.

I feel like I'm stuck living in a world full of mental retards and I'm the
only who can reason and think adequately.

 
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      07-29-2010
"Outing Trolls is FUN!" <> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:12:19 -0400, "Peter" <>
> wrote:
>
>>"Ben Dover" <> wrote in message
>>news:. ..
>>
>>> Much of my fortune, upon which I retired at an early age, was from
>>> drawing
>>> and painting. I apply those artistic skills to my photography too. You
>>> know
>>> not of what you speak. Your example, again, has made that more than
>>> perfectly clear.

>>
>>
>>
>>At $0.05, if that much, per image, how many did you sell.
>>But then one person's garbage is another person's fortune. (with apologies
>>to the proverb writer)

>
> Trolling for attention again with your manipulative thread-hijacking
> tactics? Have you tried getting that bottomless attention deficit pit of
> yours fulfilled using real people? What's that? Nobody will do that for
> you? Figures.
>



Lost your mirror?

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      07-29-2010
"Elliott Roper" <> wrote in message
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> In article <>, Ben Dover
> <> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:28:01 -0400, "Peter"
>> <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"tony cooper" <> wrote in message
>> >news:.. .
>> >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:54:50 -0500, Ben Dover <>
>> >> wrote:

> <snip>
>> >> Here's a squarish crop of a photograph I shot earlier today of a
>> >> Four-Spotted Pennant dragonfly. Not a perfect square, but not in a
>> >> standard rectangular ratio.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...0-07-28-001a/9
>> >> 51118563_YFpsT-XL.jpg
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >Try flipping so that the body runs from lower left to upper right.
>> >To my eye the composition strengthens.

>>
>> What a great suggestion, you stupid **** of a buffoon. That's not going
>> to
>> rid this of the BAD central X composition and it will make the light come
>> unnaturally from the bottom of the image. As if it wasn't bad enough.

>
> Do you understand that 'flipping' means 'mirroring. i.e rotation about
> a vertical axis through the centre of the image. Where does that leave
> the light coming from?
>
> The whole appeal of a dragonfly is its beautiful X shape. A good
> picture of a dragonfly emphasises it. "Bad central X composition" is a
> silly rule made to be broken in this case.
>>
>> Go ahead, give some more suggestions on how to make this pathetic
>> composition even worse.
>>
>> I feel like I'm stuck living in a world full of mental retards and I'm
>> the
>> only who can reason and think adequately.

>
> Yep, it must be pretty difficult to reach an objective view of the
> world from a position such as you find yourself. Keep trying. It might
> help to consider how "you stupid **** of a buffoon" persuades your
> readers of your superior intelligence and command of the language.



I ignored its attempt to divert the discussion from composition to itself.

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      07-29-2010
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:28:01 -0400, "Peter"
<> wrote:

>"tony cooper" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:54:50 -0500, Ben Dover <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>First one is great, the shape of the wings is clear.
>>>>>Try a square crop on it.
>>>>
>>>>A square crop would work, but not offer much in the way of
>>>>improvement. Kinda iffy on square or rectangular on this one.
>>>
>>>A square composition would not work for this one. I knew that when I shot
>>>it. Thanks for showing the whole world how little you know about
>>>composition.

>>
>> Here's a squarish crop of a photograph I shot earlier today of a
>> Four-Spotted Pennant dragonfly. Not a perfect square, but not in a
>> standard rectangular ratio.
>>
>>
>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...3_YFpsT-XL.jpg
>>

>
>
>Try flipping so that the body runs from lower left to upper right.
>To my eye the composition strengthens.


Generally, I prefer the leading space in an image to be on the side
where the object faces if the object is the kind where a "face" is
discernable. A "face" can be the side of an inanimate object as well
as a living object. I have a slight preference for left-to-right
photos with the leading space on the right.

I also prefer the "face" of a diagonal object to be placed at the top
where the diagonal runs from the lower part of the image to the higher
part.

General rules, not mandatory rules.

In this photograph, there is no leading space side because I cropped
more to the square than the rectangle. Your suggestion follows my
other rule about the direction of a diagonal. However, the stem the
dragonfly is resting on kinda requires the downward facing that I
used. Try it, though.

This image is not a "pride of the portfolio" image. The lower
left-side wing is out of focus and the two extra branches don't help.
Dragonflys are interesting mostly because the detail of the wings is
delicate and pretty. Basically, a dragonfly photo is good if you
catch the lacework of the wings and some body detail. You'll never
get a really interesting dragonfly photo, though.* They don't _do_
anything interesting.

I posted it because I went out yesterday with the specific intent of
looking for an insect photograph which would lead to being best
displayed with a square crop. Dragonflys are in abundance in this
area if you go near water**. They are "snap and hope" shots, though,
because they don't light long and the wings keep moving. I couldn't
afford to shoot dragonflys on film and pay-per-shot.

*Same with moth shots. They are never really interesting shots, so we
judge them only by sharpness and background. They are in the
category of "You did it right but it doesn't do anything for me"
shots.

**The same reasoning our troll shoots moths. My range includes areas
of standing water and dragonflys, and his range is limited to his back
yard around the porch light. I don't think he's ever ventured out
beyond his mother's property line.




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      07-29-2010
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:42:02 -0400, tony cooper
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>**The same reasoning our extremely experienced
> macro-photographer shoots moths. My range includes areas
>of standing water and dragonflys, and my range is limited to
>making ASSUMPTIONS about the very the little I know.
>


I shot ONE in-flight moth this year to simply prove to dumb**** trolls like
you that P&S cameras can focus fast in the pitch dark. The others were a
special 1.5 month long project years ago to document ALL families of
insects in one region of the country devoid of that documentation. The only
insect photos (out of the 700+ species I documented during that 1.5 month
long project) that survived still being on the net are the moth photos,
which I contributed to someone I knew. Where's the other 650+ species from
other insect families I photographed for that project? You'll never see
them. Well, I've posted a few, just to show you macro-morons how to shoot
macro images properly. Because ALL your images are completely hopeless with
their too shallow DOF or destroyed by having to use flash. What a ****-load
of amateurish CRAP.

Get your head out of those moths' asses.
 
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