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Mel Smith
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      07-26-2010
Hi:

Enviro: IE7, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari browsing my own website
(mesaeastpark.com) and its real estate listings.

As a newbie, I've been fussing over the last day or so about an annoying
characteristic of the 'Back Button' of the above browsers.

On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own site),
my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page. When I press this
button, the current page reloads again, and again. This is highly annoying
to me (and to my visitors).

After puzzling over this problem all morning, it seems that the
visitation to 'some' external sites leads to a *further* leap by that site
to a further page (which contains the ultimate info desired). However,
*now* the back button returns to that 'certain' external site and thence to
the detail page again.

Result: I can never get back the my own site again and have to 'X' the
browser.

This happens on all browsers *except* Chrome. What Chrome does under the
above circumstances is return me to the *first* page of my own site !!

Question: Is there any combination of keys that I can press which will take
me back *two* pages in my browsing history ??

(Hope I haven't confused you any more than I am )

Thank you for any guidance offered.

-Mel Smith

********************* Part of the relevant page
*****************************
<!-- This Image element allows Users on IE7 and other browsers to go back to
Previous Page
using the 'Back' Button -->

<div id="homepic">
<img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/93/4347693_1.jpg"
alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
</div>

<-- The Next Image element will NOT let the user move back to the Previous
Page
using the 'Back' Button. Why not ?? -->
<-- This listing is an Exclusive one: X007231 (near bottom of left
column)-->

<div id="homepic">
<img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/27/4306527_1.jpg"
alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
</div>

************************************************** ************


 
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
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      07-26-2010
Mel Smith wrote:

> Enviro: IE7, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari browsing my own website
> (http://mesaeastpark.com) and its real estate listings.
>
> As a newbie, I've been fussing over the last day or so about an
> annoying characteristic of the 'Back Button' of the above browsers.
>
> On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own
> site), my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page. When
> I press this button, the current page reloads again, and again. This
> is highly annoying to me (and to my visitors).


After a quick glance, I'd guess that your Back button problem is due to
the fact that your entire site is enclosed in frames.

Where is there a link to an "external site?"

My default text size is apparently larger than yours. Those two buttons
(Login for Directory and Click to Visit Us) are on top of, and obscuring
the content, and the text in the Latest News & Events escapes its yellow
box. Most of that is due to your overuse of "position: absolute" and
exact pixel sizing. That never works.

Test it yourself by upping the text size (but not zoom the whole page.

--
-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
 
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Rob W.
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      07-26-2010
Op 26-7-2010 18:35, Beauregard T. Shagnasty schreef:
> Mel Smith wrote:
>
>> Enviro: IE7, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari browsing my own website
>> (http://mesaeastpark.com) and its real estate listings.
>>
>> As a newbie, I've been fussing over the last day or so about an
>> annoying characteristic of the 'Back Button' of the above browsers.
>>
>> On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own
>> site), my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page. When
>> I press this button, the current page reloads again, and again. This
>> is highly annoying to me (and to my visitors).

>
> After a quick glance, I'd guess that your Back button problem is due to
> the fact that your entire site is enclosed in frames.
>
> Where is there a link to an "external site?"
>
> My default text size is apparently larger than yours. Those two buttons
> (Login for Directory and Click to Visit Us) are on top of, and obscuring
> the content, and the text in the Latest News& Events escapes its yellow
> box. Most of that is due to your overuse of "position: absolute" and
> exact pixel sizing. That never works.
>
> Test it yourself by upping the text size (but not zoom the whole page.
>



I fail to see how OP's problem has anything to do with his own site
usi8ng frames.

Have you never experienced the same problem
that you visit a site and while there you can't get back to where you
came from?


Let me quote the W3C-site:

<quote>
you should not use "refresh" techniques like :

<META HTTP-EQUIV=REFRESH CONTENT="1; URL=http://www.example.org/bar">.

Why? because it could break the "back" button. Imagine that the user
presses the "back" button, the refresh would work again, and the user
would bounce forward. The user will most likely get very annoyed, and
close the window, which is probably not what you, as the author of this
page, want.
<unquote>

See <http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/reback>

Seems to me this is the kind of problem Mel Smith got into.


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Rob



 
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123Jim
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      07-26-2010

"Mel Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi:
>
> Enviro: IE7, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari browsing my own website
> (mesaeastpark.com) and its real estate listings.
>
> As a newbie, I've been fussing over the last day or so about an
> annoying characteristic of the 'Back Button' of the above browsers.
>
> On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own site),
> my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page. When I press
> this button, the current page reloads again, and again. This is highly
> annoying to me (and to my visitors).
>
> After puzzling over this problem all morning, it seems that the
> visitation to 'some' external sites leads to a *further* leap by that site
> to a further page (which contains the ultimate info desired). However,
> *now* the back button returns to that 'certain' external site and thence
> to the detail page again.
>
> Result: I can never get back the my own site again and have to 'X' the
> browser.
>
> This happens on all browsers *except* Chrome. What Chrome does under
> the above circumstances is return me to the *first* page of my own site !!
>
> Question: Is there any combination of keys that I can press which will
> take me back *two* pages in my browsing history ??
>
> (Hope I haven't confused you any more than I am )
>
> Thank you for any guidance offered.
>
> -Mel Smith
>
> ********************* Part of the relevant page
> *****************************
> <!-- This Image element allows Users on IE7 and other browsers to go back
> to Previous Page
> using the 'Back' Button -->
>
> <div id="homepic">
> <img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/93/4347693_1.jpg"
> alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
> align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
> </div>
>
> <-- The Next Image element will NOT let the user move back to the Previous
> Page
> using the 'Back' Button. Why not ?? -->
> <-- This listing is an Exclusive one: X007231 (near bottom of left
> column)-->
>
> <div id="homepic">
> <img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/27/4306527_1.jpg"
> alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
> align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
> </div>
>
> ************************************************** ************


seems to work fine in FF here ,, can't find the problem


 
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Mel Smith
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      07-26-2010
Beauregard said:

> After a quick glance, I'd guess that your Back button problem is due to
> the fact that your entire site is enclosed in frames.


Most of the external sites work properly -- so Frame use should not be
the problem.
Also, I use zoneedit.com for translating my site from
www.mesaeastpark.com to ww2.mesaeastpark.com:4296.

My pages have *no frames* (I don't even know how to *make* a frame --
yet ) )

>
> Where is there a link to an "external site?"
>


Arggg. I copied faulty code from my pages (I copied the .jpg image
rather than the link). Here is the proper code:

<a
href="http://www.flexmls.com/cgi-bin/mainmenu.cgi?cmd=url+other/run_public_link.html&public_link_tech_id=rjr0to90v fa&s=12&id=1&cid=1">X007231</a>


> My default text size is apparently larger than yours. Those two buttons
> (Login for Directory and Click to Visit Us) are on top of, and obscuring
> the content, and the text in the Latest News & Events escapes its yellow
> box. Most of that is due to your overuse of "position: absolute" and
> exact pixel sizing. That never works.
>
> Test it yourself by upping the text size (but not zoom the whole page.
>


I use position:absolute *under* a container with position:relative. I
think I have to do this for absolute width reasons -- but my head is
exploding so I'll have to think about it.

Anyway, I'll certainly test using a larger text size and try to learn
more about getting rid of exact pixel sizing. But, I'm more than a bit
overwhelmed now.

Thanks for the comments !

-Mel Smith



> --
> -bts
> -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul



 
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
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      07-26-2010
Rob W. wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty schreef:
>> Mel Smith wrote:
>>> On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own
>>> site), my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page.
>>> When I press this button, the current page reloads again, and
>>> again. This is highly annoying to me (and to my visitors).

>>
>> After a quick glance, I'd guess that your Back button problem is due to
>> the fact that your entire site is enclosed in frames.
>>
>> Where is there a link to an "external site?"


Perhaps if Mel answers this question, we will be able to make a better
guess...

> I fail to see how OP's problem has anything to do with his own site
> usi8ng frames.


Until we see the "external site" we don't know.

--
-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
 
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Mel Smith
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      07-26-2010
Rob said:



>
> Let me quote the W3C-site:
>
> <quote>
> you should not use "refresh" techniques like :
>
> <META HTTP-EQUIV=REFRESH CONTENT="1; URL=http://www.example.org/bar">.
>
> Why? because it could break the "back" button. Imagine that the user
> presses the "back" button, the refresh would work again, and the user
> would bounce forward. The user will most likely get very annoyed, and
> close the window, which is probably not what you, as the author of this
> page, want.
> <unquote>
>
> See <http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/reback>
>
> Seems to me this is the kind of problem Mel Smith got into.
>


Rob:

Thanks for explaining this to me. I answered bts' email and admitted
that I used wrong 'external link' code and gave him the proper one.

Here is the proper 'external link' that doesn't allow the Back button to
work.

<a
href="http://www.flexmls.com/cgi-bin/mainmenu.cgi?cmd=url+other/run_public_link.html&public_link_tech_id=rjr0to90v fa&s=12&id=1&cid=1">X007231</a>


But, bts raised some other issues (on front size text size) that further
concern me. I'll have to get to work on them too. He told me how to view my
sins.

Thanks,

-Mel Smith


 
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123Jim
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      07-26-2010

"123Jim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:i2kkpj$j2m$(E-Mail Removed)-september.org...
>
> "Mel Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi:
>>
>> Enviro: IE7, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari browsing my own website
>> (mesaeastpark.com) and its real estate listings.
>>
>> As a newbie, I've been fussing over the last day or so about an
>> annoying characteristic of the 'Back Button' of the above browsers.
>>
>> On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own
>> site), my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page. When I
>> press this button, the current page reloads again, and again. This is
>> highly annoying to me (and to my visitors).
>>
>> After puzzling over this problem all morning, it seems that the
>> visitation to 'some' external sites leads to a *further* leap by that
>> site to a further page (which contains the ultimate info desired).
>> However, *now* the back button returns to that 'certain' external site
>> and thence to the detail page again.
>>
>> Result: I can never get back the my own site again and have to 'X'
>> the browser.
>>
>> This happens on all browsers *except* Chrome. What Chrome does under
>> the above circumstances is return me to the *first* page of my own site
>> !!
>>
>> Question: Is there any combination of keys that I can press which will
>> take me back *two* pages in my browsing history ??
>>
>> (Hope I haven't confused you any more than I am )
>>
>> Thank you for any guidance offered.
>>
>> -Mel Smith
>>
>> ********************* Part of the relevant page
>> *****************************
>> <!-- This Image element allows Users on IE7 and other browsers to go back
>> to Previous Page
>> using the 'Back' Button -->
>>
>> <div id="homepic">
>> <img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/93/4347693_1.jpg"
>> alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
>> align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
>> </div>
>>
>> <-- The Next Image element will NOT let the user move back to the
>> Previous Page
>> using the 'Back' Button. Why not ?? -->
>> <-- This listing is an Exclusive one: X007231 (near bottom of left
>> column)-->
>>
>> <div id="homepic">
>> <img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/27/4306527_1.jpg"
>> alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
>> align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
>> </div>
>>
>> ************************************************** ************

>
> seems to work fine in FF here ,, can't find the problem



aha .. but does not work in IE
I see that the last click .. this one:
"Click to see Details/Pictures on Exclusive ID No. : X007231"
..... breaks out of your frame in IE .. and you can never return ..

It ends up on this external page:
http://www.flexmls.com/cgi-bin/mainm...=12&id=1&cid=1

Not sure what the solution is .. but since the whole show is controlled
server side by cgi-bin/mep/mepinit.exe .. you might able to reprogram it to
force the external pages to stay in your frame.


 
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Mel Smith
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      07-26-2010
bts wrote:

> My default text size is apparently larger than yours. Those two buttons
> (Login for Directory and Click to Visit Us) are on top of, and obscuring
> the content, and the text in the Latest News & Events escapes its yellow
> box. Most of that is due to your overuse of "position: absolute" and
> exact pixel sizing. That never works.
>
> Test it yourself by upping the text size (but not zoom the whole page.



Beau:

I tested with a 'larger' and 'largest' text size on IE7 and the 'Login
and Click to Visit Us' still were well within their box. However, The Latest
News and Events were definitely *out of bounds*.

I'll now try the same test with the other browsers.

Thanks for the pointer !

-Mel Smith



 
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Mel Smith
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      07-26-2010
I said :

> I tested with a 'larger' and 'largest' text size on IE7 and the 'Login
> and Click to Visit Us' still were well within their box. However, The
> Latest News and Events were definitely *out of bounds*.
>
> I'll now try the same test with the other browsers.


Hi all:

I tested with the other browsers:

As Beau says, any size larger that normal starts the disruption of my
pathetic pages.

Back to the books.

Thanks everyone !

-Mel Smith
(alone and old)


 
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