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KOS wrote:
> On Jul 23, 10:55 am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "James D. Andrews" <jamesdandr...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i27t13$21km$...
>>
>>
>>
>>> "KOS" <computerstu...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>> news:befdcb61-ecf1-4967-8e9e-...
>>>> Hi, I have a desktop that is making a loud noise. coming from the
>>>> powersupply. I want to replace the entire power supply, I have read
>>>> that I should not do this as it is dangerous and I could get
>>>> electrocuted... Is this true, is this something that lay people should
>>>> not do? Thanks
>>>> KOS
>>> It's not dangerous to replace the power supply unless you keep it plugged
>>> in while doing it. NEVER keep it plugged in while working inside your
>>> computer.
>> And the danger there is to the computer, not to the person.
>
> PAUL
>
> what about this power supply?
> http://www.skyline-eng.com/index.cfm...roduct_ID=5737
>
> does this look like it would fit the gateway 500s? I have a newton
> power supply now model NPS 200PB

If you've satisfied yourself that:

1) The form factor and mounting holes needed (i.e. to transfer the mounting
bracket from the old one) are all present.

2) The power rating is greater than or equal to the old one. In the
Skyline advert, they don't give a closeup view of the label on the supply.

3) It has enough connectors. That usually isn't a problem, but it's part
of the checking process.

I see two competing interests here in the selection process. There are
the mechanical mounting details. You need to look at the supply you have
currently, and see if there is a bracket that fastens to it, as part of the
mounting. It would be best to get a supply that supports the bracket. In
that case, one of the Skyline products might be the best choice.

If I was doing it myself, I would prefer to use a standard ATX (Newegg or
equivalent, something where I can read the customer reviews to see if
it is a quality product), say a 300 or 350W, which gives a little bit
of overcapacity. Overcapacity is OK, as long as a supply doesn't have
minimum load requirements that are hard to meet.

But the thing is, if there is no way, using that computer case, to
properly support a standard ATX, then the Skyline might be the one
to get.

I still think, you need to double check that part number. There
are probably some more digits after the NPS-200PB-xxxx. Also,
if you can manage to find your 500S details on the Gateway site,
you may be able to find the Gateway part number (as mentioned in
the Skyline advert). When Gateway specifies power supplies, they
have their number, which would call up, up to three different
manufacturer power supply part numbers. That is why the
Skyline advert has a number like 6500457 (Gateway part number),
as well as the Newton NPS-200PB-xxxx.

So far, I don't see a lot of drama here, just the need to
get the mechanical mounting details right. All my standard
ATX cases here, have the power supply fastened by four
rear screws. If your computer case doesn't mount the
supply that way, then somehow, you'd need to secure the
replacement supply in that case.

Your old supply was 200W. Perhaps the 12V rail was rated at 6 or 7 amps.
Generally, if I was blindfolded and put in front of a P4 machine,
I'd specify 300-350W and 12V @ 15A without looking at the label,
for best general power needs. It is possible to use lower power
supplies, but a person doing so, has to be absolutely assured
that the computer is not overloading the supply. I could be,
in fact, that Skyline is using a 300-350W chassis and using
it as an exact replacement for your 200W. It may be the reason
several of their supplies are the same price - it could be a
"one size fits all" solution, with the extra mounting holes added
so it can be used with the various Gateway computer cases.

If I was in the room with you, getting as much info off the
existing unit as possible, would all be part of determining
who I'd buy it from, and what I'd be looking for. Many supplies
will fit the bill, but some of them may make the job easier than
others. If the computer case was defacto standard design,
with mounting holes on the back, we'd probably have a couple
hundred supplies to choose from, to do the replacement.

HTH,
Paul

On Jul 23, 5:53*pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> KOS wrote:
> > On Jul 23, 10:55 am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "James D. Andrews" <jamesdandr...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i27t13$21km$...
>
> >>> "KOS" <computerstu...@excite.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:befdcb61-ecf1-4967-8e9e-....
> >>>> Hi, I have a desktop that is making a loud noise. coming from the
> >>>> powersupply. I want to replace the entire power supply, *I have read
> >>>> that I should not do this as it is dangerous and I could get
> >>>> electrocuted... Is this true, is this something that lay people should
> >>>> not do? Thanks
> >>>> KOS
> >>> It's not dangerous to replace the power supply unless you keep it plugged
> >>> in while doing it. *NEVER keep it plugged in while working inside your
> >>> computer.
> >> And the danger there is to the computer, not to the person.
>
> > PAUL
>
> > what about this power supply?
> >http://www.skyline-eng.com/index.cfm....display&produ....
>
> > does this look like it would fit the gateway 500s? I have a newton
> > power supply now *model NPS 200PB
>
> If you've satisfied yourself that:
>
> 1) The form factor and mounting holes needed (i.e. to transfer the mounting
> * * bracket from the old one) are all present.
>
> 2) The power rating is greater than or equal to the old one. In the
> * * Skyline advert, they don't give a closeup view of the label on the supply.
>
> 3) It has enough connectors. That usually isn't a problem, but it's part
> * * of the checking process.
>
> I see two competing interests here in the selection process. There are
> the mechanical mounting details. You need to look at the supply you have
> currently, and see if there is a bracket that fastens to it, as part of the
> mounting. It would be best to get a supply that supports the bracket. In
> that case, one of the Skyline products might be the best choice.
>
> If I was doing it myself, I would prefer to use a standard ATX (Newegg or
> equivalent, something where I can read the customer reviews to see if
> it is a quality product), say a 300 or 350W, which gives a little bit
> of overcapacity. Overcapacity is OK, as long as a supply doesn't have
> minimum load requirements that are hard to meet.
>
> But the thing is, if there is no way, using that computer case, to
> properly support a standard ATX, then the Skyline might be the one
> to get.
>
> I still think, you need to double check that part number. There
> are probably some more digits after the NPS-200PB-xxxx. Also,
> if you can manage to find your 500S details on the Gateway site,
> you may be able to find the Gateway part number (as mentioned in
> the Skyline advert). When Gateway specifies power supplies, they
> have their number, which would call up, up to three different
> manufacturer power supply part numbers. That is why the
> Skyline advert has a number like 6500457 (Gateway part number),
> as well as the Newton NPS-200PB-xxxx.
>
> So far, I don't see a lot of drama here, just the need to
> get the mechanical mounting details right. All my standard
> ATX cases here, have the power supply fastened by four
> rear screws. If your computer case doesn't mount the
> supply that way, then somehow, you'd need to secure the
> replacement supply in that case.
>
> Your old supply was 200W. Perhaps the 12V rail was rated at 6 or 7 amps.
> Generally, if I was blindfolded and put in front of a P4 machine,
> I'd specify 300-350W and 12V @ 15A without looking at the label,
> for best general power needs. It is possible to use lower power
> supplies, but a person doing so, has to be absolutely assured
> that the computer is not overloading the supply. I could be,
> in fact, that Skyline is using a 300-350W chassis and using
> it as an exact replacement for your 200W. It may be the reason
> several of their supplies are the same price - it could be a
> "one size fits all" solution, with the extra mounting holes added
> so it can be used with the various Gateway computer cases.
>
> If I was in the room with you, getting as much info off the
> existing unit as possible, would all be part of determining
> who I'd buy it from, and what I'd be looking for. Many supplies
> will fit the bill, but some of them may make the job easier than
> others. If the computer case was defacto standard design,
> with mounting holes on the back, we'd probably have a couple
> hundred supplies to choose from, to do the replacement.
>
> HTH,
> * * * Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

hi there Paul,
skyline says its the same exact powersupply and will fit- my complete
model number is NPS- 200PB 119 C Rev:00
I'm going to go with this skyline-.. looking at my powersupply in the
computer looks like it will be kind of hard removing the powersupply,
im trying to figure out if that blule bracket comes out and where the
heck the screws are..looks like i will need a very short screwdriver

KOS wrote:
> On Jul 23, 5:53 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>> KOS wrote:
>>> On Jul 23, 10:55 am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> "James D. Andrews" <jamesdandr...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i27t13$21km$...
>>>>> "KOS" <computerstu...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:befdcb61-ecf1-4967-8e9e-...
>>>>>> Hi, I have a desktop that is making a loud noise. coming from the
>>>>>> powersupply. I want to replace the entire power supply, I have read
>>>>>> that I should not do this as it is dangerous and I could get
>>>>>> electrocuted... Is this true, is this something that lay people should
>>>>>> not do? Thanks
>>>>>> KOS
>>>>> It's not dangerous to replace the power supply unless you keep it plugged
>>>>> in while doing it. NEVER keep it plugged in while working inside your
>>>>> computer.
>>>> And the danger there is to the computer, not to the person.
>>> PAUL
>>> what about this power supply?
>>> http://www.skyline-eng.com/index.cfm....display&produ...
>>> does this look like it would fit the gateway 500s? I have a newton
>>> power supply now model NPS 200PB
>> If you've satisfied yourself that:
>>
>> 1) The form factor and mounting holes needed (i.e. to transfer the mounting
>> bracket from the old one) are all present.
>>
>> 2) The power rating is greater than or equal to the old one. In the
>> Skyline advert, they don't give a closeup view of the label on the supply.
>>
>> 3) It has enough connectors. That usually isn't a problem, but it's part
>> of the checking process.
>>
>> I see two competing interests here in the selection process. There are
>> the mechanical mounting details. You need to look at the supply you have
>> currently, and see if there is a bracket that fastens to it, as part of the
>> mounting. It would be best to get a supply that supports the bracket. In
>> that case, one of the Skyline products might be the best choice.
>>
>> If I was doing it myself, I would prefer to use a standard ATX (Newegg or
>> equivalent, something where I can read the customer reviews to see if
>> it is a quality product), say a 300 or 350W, which gives a little bit
>> of overcapacity. Overcapacity is OK, as long as a supply doesn't have
>> minimum load requirements that are hard to meet.
>>
>> But the thing is, if there is no way, using that computer case, to
>> properly support a standard ATX, then the Skyline might be the one
>> to get.
>>
>> I still think, you need to double check that part number. There
>> are probably some more digits after the NPS-200PB-xxxx. Also,
>> if you can manage to find your 500S details on the Gateway site,
>> you may be able to find the Gateway part number (as mentioned in
>> the Skyline advert). When Gateway specifies power supplies, they
>> have their number, which would call up, up to three different
>> manufacturer power supply part numbers. That is why the
>> Skyline advert has a number like 6500457 (Gateway part number),
>> as well as the Newton NPS-200PB-xxxx.
>>
>> So far, I don't see a lot of drama here, just the need to
>> get the mechanical mounting details right. All my standard
>> ATX cases here, have the power supply fastened by four
>> rear screws. If your computer case doesn't mount the
>> supply that way, then somehow, you'd need to secure the
>> replacement supply in that case.
>>
>> Your old supply was 200W. Perhaps the 12V rail was rated at 6 or 7 amps.
>> Generally, if I was blindfolded and put in front of a P4 machine,
>> I'd specify 300-350W and 12V @ 15A without looking at the label,
>> for best general power needs. It is possible to use lower power
>> supplies, but a person doing so, has to be absolutely assured
>> that the computer is not overloading the supply. I could be,
>> in fact, that Skyline is using a 300-350W chassis and using
>> it as an exact replacement for your 200W. It may be the reason
>> several of their supplies are the same price - it could be a
>> "one size fits all" solution, with the extra mounting holes added
>> so it can be used with the various Gateway computer cases.
>>
>> If I was in the room with you, getting as much info off the
>> existing unit as possible, would all be part of determining
>> who I'd buy it from, and what I'd be looking for. Many supplies
>> will fit the bill, but some of them may make the job easier than
>> others. If the computer case was defacto standard design,
>> with mounting holes on the back, we'd probably have a couple
>> hundred supplies to choose from, to do the replacement.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Paul- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> hi there Paul,
> skyline says its the same exact powersupply and will fit- my complete
> model number is NPS- 200PB 119 C Rev:00
> I'm going to go with this skyline-.. looking at my powersupply in the
> computer looks like it will be kind of hard removing the powersupply,
> im trying to figure out if that blule bracket comes out and where the
> heck the screws are..looks like i will need a very short screwdriver

I found a picture of the label on the side of your supply.
This one is made in Thailand. The root Gateway part number
is 6500612, which you can see near the bottom of the label.

http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061204.shtml

Part Number: 6500612200-Watt Power Supply Revision 1
----------------------------------------------------

5V @ 22A, -12V @ 1.0A, +12V @ 10A, 3.3V @ 14A, 5VSB @ 2.0A
3.3 & 5V combined power less than 135W
Output 200W max (means all rails combined)

http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061201.shtml (picture)

http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...500612tc.shtml (other views)

Unfortunately, I don't have any views (yet) of the things bolted
to the supply, like any brackets or adapters.

OK, the piece of metal with the two screws in it, shown here,
creates a lip. The green plastic tab, snaps into place in a
hole in the ceiling of the tower case. When it does that,
part of the plastic catches against the thickness of this bracket,
as near as I can tell. That means the dimensions of the power
supply are critical to a good fit. It isn't even clear,
how the green tab releases in the first place. I can see
how it would snap in, but it isn't clear how you make
it release.

http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/POWE.../650061202.jpg

*******

OK, this is the inside of a "Pinta case". There is a power
supply with external fan present.

http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501234iv.shtml

This is "power supply removal" for this particular one.

http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...234lvr22.shtml

It uses two metal tabs behind the supply for support, plus
a plastic tab to hold it in place. Pretty flimsy looking,
if that is how yours works.

http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/case.../350123430.jpg

I particularly enjoy, how the Gateway site is hyperlinked. You
can't get back to the master page, from a sub-page like the ones
above. It's important to note where a page came from. The
main installation page for that Pinta case is here.

http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501313tc.shtml

Anyway, compare the picture of the flimsy fastening method
to your computer innards. One view of the power supply,
shows a long rectangular slot, and that is what hooks the
metal tabs on the case. The rectangular slot is elongated,
to allow the power supply to be slid towards the back of
the case. That's why the hole in the power supply, is bigger
than the tab, to give room for movement while sliding the
PSU.

*******

My suspicion, after looking at a lot of web pages, is there
must have been quite a few different sub-models of "500S".
It's hard to say whether the internal details on all of
them would be the same or not. Some used 845 chipset and
others 865, so the production must have spanned a few years
in total.

Paul

On Jul 24, 11:38*am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> KOS wrote:
> > On Jul 23, 5:53 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> >> KOS wrote:
> >>> On Jul 23, 10:55 am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> "James D. Andrews" <jamesdandr...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i27t13$21km$...
> >>>>> "KOS" <computerstu...@excite.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:befdcb61-ecf1-4967-8e9e-...
> >>>>>> Hi, I have a desktop that is making a loud noise. coming from the
> >>>>>> powersupply. I want to replace the entire power supply, *I have read
> >>>>>> that I should not do this as it is dangerous and I could get
> >>>>>> electrocuted... Is this true, is this something that lay people should
> >>>>>> not do? Thanks
> >>>>>> KOS
> >>>>> It's not dangerous to replace the power supply unless you keep it plugged
> >>>>> in while doing it. *NEVER keep it plugged in while working inside your
> >>>>> computer.
> >>>> And the danger there is to the computer, not to the person.
> >>> PAUL
> >>> what about this power supply?
> >>>http://www.skyline-eng.com/index.cfm....display&produ...
> >>> does this look like it would fit the gateway 500s? I have a newton
> >>> power supply now *model NPS 200PB
> >> If you've satisfied yourself that:
>
> >> 1) The form factor and mounting holes needed (i.e. to transfer the mounting
> >> * * bracket from the old one) are all present.
>
> >> 2) The power rating is greater than or equal to the old one. In the
> >> * * Skyline advert, they don't give a closeup view of the label on the supply.
>
> >> 3) It has enough connectors. That usually isn't a problem, but it's part
> >> * * of the checking process.
>
> >> I see two competing interests here in the selection process. There are
> >> the mechanical mounting details. You need to look at the supply you have
> >> currently, and see if there is a bracket that fastens to it, as part of the
> >> mounting. It would be best to get a supply that supports the bracket. In
> >> that case, one of the Skyline products might be the best choice.
>
> >> If I was doing it myself, I would prefer to use a standard ATX (Newegg or
> >> equivalent, something where I can read the customer reviews to see if
> >> it is a quality product), say a 300 or 350W, which gives a little bit
> >> of overcapacity. Overcapacity is OK, as long as a supply doesn't have
> >> minimum load requirements that are hard to meet.
>
> >> But the thing is, if there is no way, using that computer case, to
> >> properly support a standard ATX, then the Skyline might be the one
> >> to get.
>
> >> I still think, you need to double check that part number. There
> >> are probably some more digits after the NPS-200PB-xxxx. Also,
> >> if you can manage to find your 500S details on the Gateway site,
> >> you may be able to find the Gateway part number (as mentioned in
> >> the Skyline advert). When Gateway specifies power supplies, they
> >> have their number, which would call up, up to three different
> >> manufacturer power supply part numbers. That is why the
> >> Skyline advert has a number like 6500457 (Gateway part number),
> >> as well as the Newton NPS-200PB-xxxx.
>
> >> So far, I don't see a lot of drama here, just the need to
> >> get the mechanical mounting details right. All my standard
> >> ATX cases here, have the power supply fastened by four
> >> rear screws. If your computer case doesn't mount the
> >> supply that way, then somehow, you'd need to secure the
> >> replacement supply in that case.
>
> >> Your old supply was 200W. Perhaps the 12V rail was rated at 6 or 7 amps.
> >> Generally, if I was blindfolded and put in front of a P4 machine,
> >> I'd specify 300-350W and 12V @ 15A without looking at the label,
> >> for best general power needs. It is possible to use lower power
> >> supplies, but a person doing so, has to be absolutely assured
> >> that the computer is not overloading the supply. I could be,
> >> in fact, that Skyline is using a 300-350W chassis and using
> >> it as an exact replacement for your 200W. It may be the reason
> >> several of their supplies are the same price - it could be a
> >> "one size fits all" solution, with the extra mounting holes added
> >> so it can be used with the various Gateway computer cases.
>
> >> If I was in the room with you, getting as much info off the
> >> existing unit as possible, would all be part of determining
> >> who I'd buy it from, and what I'd be looking for. Many supplies
> >> will fit the bill, but some of them may make the job easier than
> >> others. If the computer case was defacto standard design,
> >> with mounting holes on the back, we'd probably have a couple
> >> hundred supplies to choose from, to do the replacement.
>
> >> HTH,
> >> * * * Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > hi there Paul,
> > skyline says its the same exact powersupply and will fit- my complete
> > model number is NPS- 200PB 119 C *Rev:00
> > I'm going to go with this skyline-.. looking at my powersupply in the
> > computer looks like it will be kind of hard removing the powersupply,
> > im trying to figure out if that blule bracket comes out and where the
> > heck the screws are..looks like i will need a very short screwdriver
>
> I found a picture of the label on the side of your supply.
> This one is made in Thailand. The root Gateway part number
> is 6500612, which you can see near the bottom of the label.
>
> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061204.shtml
>
> * * Part Number: 6500612200-Watt Power Supply Revision 1
> * * ----------------------------------------------------
>
> * * 5V @ 22A, -12V @ 1.0A, +12V @ 10A, 3.3V @ 14A, 5VSB @ 2.0A
> * * 3.3 & 5V combined power less than 135W
> * * Output 200W max (means all rails combined)
>
> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061201.shtml* (picture)
>
> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...500612tc.shtml*(other views)
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have any views (yet) of the things bolted
> to the supply, like any brackets or adapters.
>
> OK, the piece of metal with the two screws in it, shown here,
> creates a lip. The green plastic tab, snaps into place in a
> hole in the ceiling of the tower case. When it does that,
> part of the plastic catches against the thickness of this bracket,
> as near as I can tell. That means the dimensions of the power
> supply are critical to a good fit. It isn't even clear,
> how the green tab releases in the first place. I can see
> how it would snap in, but it isn't clear how you make
> it release.
>
> http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/POWE.../650061202.jpg
>
> *******
>
> OK, this is the inside of a "Pinta case". There is a power
> supply with external fan present.
>
> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501234iv.shtml
>
> This is "power supply removal" for this particular one.
>
> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...234lvr22.shtml
>
> It uses two metal tabs behind the supply for support, plus
> a plastic tab to hold it in place. Pretty flimsy looking,
> if that is how yours works.
>
> http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/case.../350123430.jpg
>
> I particularly enjoy, how the Gateway site is hyperlinked. You
> can't get back to the master page, from a sub-page like the ones
> above. It's important to note where a page came from. The
> main installation page for that Pinta case is here.
>
> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501313tc.shtml
>
> Anyway, compare the picture of the flimsy fastening method
> to your computer innards. One view of the power supply,
> shows a long rectangular slot, and that is what hooks the
> metal tabs on the case. The rectangular slot is elongated,
> to allow the power supply to be slid towards the back of
> the case. That's why the hole in the power supply, is bigger
> than the tab, to give room for movement while sliding the
> PSU.
>
> *******
>
> My suspicion, after looking at a lot of web pages, is there
> must have been quite a few different sub-models of "500S".
> It's hard to say whether the internal details on all of
> them would be the same or not. Some used 845 chipset and
> others 865, so the production must have spanned a few years
> in total.
>
> * * Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501234iv.shtml
that is definitely my pc.. with that light green fastener.
im going to order the skyline psupply.. hoping it will fit.. like i
said, guy said it would, that its designed for my pc.. after all the
stuff you read, what is your guess? think it will fit

KOS wrote:
> On Jul 24, 11:38 am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>> KOS wrote:
>>> On Jul 23, 5:53 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>>>> KOS wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 23, 10:55 am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "James D. Andrews" <jamesdandr...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i27t13$21km$...
>>>>>>> "KOS" <computerstu...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:befdcb61-ecf1-4967-8e9e-...
>>>>>>>> Hi, I have a desktop that is making a loud noise. coming from the
>>>>>>>> powersupply. I want to replace the entire power supply, I have read
>>>>>>>> that I should not do this as it is dangerous and I could get
>>>>>>>> electrocuted... Is this true, is this something that lay people should
>>>>>>>> not do? Thanks
>>>>>>>> KOS
>>>>>>> It's not dangerous to replace the power supply unless you keep it plugged
>>>>>>> in while doing it. NEVER keep it plugged in while working inside your
>>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>> And the danger there is to the computer, not to the person.
>>>>> PAUL
>>>>> what about this power supply?
>>>>> http://www.skyline-eng.com/index.cfm....display&produ...
>>>>> does this look like it would fit the gateway 500s? I have a newton
>>>>> power supply now model NPS 200PB
>>>> If you've satisfied yourself that:
>>>> 1) The form factor and mounting holes needed (i.e. to transfer the mounting
>>>> bracket from the old one) are all present.
>>>> 2) The power rating is greater than or equal to the old one. In the
>>>> Skyline advert, they don't give a closeup view of the label on the supply.
>>>> 3) It has enough connectors. That usually isn't a problem, but it's part
>>>> of the checking process.
>>>> I see two competing interests here in the selection process. There are
>>>> the mechanical mounting details. You need to look at the supply you have
>>>> currently, and see if there is a bracket that fastens to it, as part of the
>>>> mounting. It would be best to get a supply that supports the bracket. In
>>>> that case, one of the Skyline products might be the best choice.
>>>> If I was doing it myself, I would prefer to use a standard ATX (Newegg or
>>>> equivalent, something where I can read the customer reviews to see if
>>>> it is a quality product), say a 300 or 350W, which gives a little bit
>>>> of overcapacity. Overcapacity is OK, as long as a supply doesn't have
>>>> minimum load requirements that are hard to meet.
>>>> But the thing is, if there is no way, using that computer case, to
>>>> properly support a standard ATX, then the Skyline might be the one
>>>> to get.
>>>> I still think, you need to double check that part number. There
>>>> are probably some more digits after the NPS-200PB-xxxx. Also,
>>>> if you can manage to find your 500S details on the Gateway site,
>>>> you may be able to find the Gateway part number (as mentioned in
>>>> the Skyline advert). When Gateway specifies power supplies, they
>>>> have their number, which would call up, up to three different
>>>> manufacturer power supply part numbers. That is why the
>>>> Skyline advert has a number like 6500457 (Gateway part number),
>>>> as well as the Newton NPS-200PB-xxxx.
>>>> So far, I don't see a lot of drama here, just the need to
>>>> get the mechanical mounting details right. All my standard
>>>> ATX cases here, have the power supply fastened by four
>>>> rear screws. If your computer case doesn't mount the
>>>> supply that way, then somehow, you'd need to secure the
>>>> replacement supply in that case.
>>>> Your old supply was 200W. Perhaps the 12V rail was rated at 6 or 7 amps.
>>>> Generally, if I was blindfolded and put in front of a P4 machine,
>>>> I'd specify 300-350W and 12V @ 15A without looking at the label,
>>>> for best general power needs. It is possible to use lower power
>>>> supplies, but a person doing so, has to be absolutely assured
>>>> that the computer is not overloading the supply. I could be,
>>>> in fact, that Skyline is using a 300-350W chassis and using
>>>> it as an exact replacement for your 200W. It may be the reason
>>>> several of their supplies are the same price - it could be a
>>>> "one size fits all" solution, with the extra mounting holes added
>>>> so it can be used with the various Gateway computer cases.
>>>> If I was in the room with you, getting as much info off the
>>>> existing unit as possible, would all be part of determining
>>>> who I'd buy it from, and what I'd be looking for. Many supplies
>>>> will fit the bill, but some of them may make the job easier than
>>>> others. If the computer case was defacto standard design,
>>>> with mounting holes on the back, we'd probably have a couple
>>>> hundred supplies to choose from, to do the replacement.
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Paul- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> hi there Paul,
>>> skyline says its the same exact powersupply and will fit- my complete
>>> model number is NPS- 200PB 119 C Rev:00
>>> I'm going to go with this skyline-.. looking at my powersupply in the
>>> computer looks like it will be kind of hard removing the powersupply,
>>> im trying to figure out if that blule bracket comes out and where the
>>> heck the screws are..looks like i will need a very short screwdriver
>> I found a picture of the label on the side of your supply.
>> This one is made in Thailand. The root Gateway part number
>> is 6500612, which you can see near the bottom of the label.
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061204.shtml
>>
>> Part Number: 6500612200-Watt Power Supply Revision 1
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 5V @ 22A, -12V @ 1.0A, +12V @ 10A, 3.3V @ 14A, 5VSB @ 2.0A
>> 3.3 & 5V combined power less than 135W
>> Output 200W max (means all rails combined)
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061201.shtml (picture)
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...500612tc.shtml (other views)
>>
>> Unfortunately, I don't have any views (yet) of the things bolted
>> to the supply, like any brackets or adapters.
>>
>> OK, the piece of metal with the two screws in it, shown here,
>> creates a lip. The green plastic tab, snaps into place in a
>> hole in the ceiling of the tower case. When it does that,
>> part of the plastic catches against the thickness of this bracket,
>> as near as I can tell. That means the dimensions of the power
>> supply are critical to a good fit. It isn't even clear,
>> how the green tab releases in the first place. I can see
>> how it would snap in, but it isn't clear how you make
>> it release.
>>
>> http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/POWE.../650061202.jpg
>>
>> *******
>>
>> OK, this is the inside of a "Pinta case". There is a power
>> supply with external fan present.
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501234iv.shtml
>>
>> This is "power supply removal" for this particular one.
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...234lvr22.shtml
>>
>> It uses two metal tabs behind the supply for support, plus
>> a plastic tab to hold it in place. Pretty flimsy looking,
>> if that is how yours works.
>>
>> http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/case.../350123430.jpg
>>
>> I particularly enjoy, how the Gateway site is hyperlinked. You
>> can't get back to the master page, from a sub-page like the ones
>> above. It's important to note where a page came from. The
>> main installation page for that Pinta case is here.
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501313tc.shtml
>>
>> Anyway, compare the picture of the flimsy fastening method
>> to your computer innards. One view of the power supply,
>> shows a long rectangular slot, and that is what hooks the
>> metal tabs on the case. The rectangular slot is elongated,
>> to allow the power supply to be slid towards the back of
>> the case. That's why the hole in the power supply, is bigger
>> than the tab, to give room for movement while sliding the
>> PSU.
>>
>> *******
>>
>> My suspicion, after looking at a lot of web pages, is there
>> must have been quite a few different sub-models of "500S".
>> It's hard to say whether the internal details on all of
>> them would be the same or not. Some used 845 chipset and
>> others 865, so the production must have spanned a few years
>> in total.
>>
>> Paul- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501234iv.shtml
> that is definitely my pc.. with that light green fastener.
> im going to order the skyline psupply.. hoping it will fit.. like i
> said, guy said it would, that its designed for my pc.. after all the
> stuff you read, what is your guess? think it will fit

I threw in the last post, to give you some idea how the old one
might come out. As long as the new one has that strip of metal
and two screws (provides a ledge for the green plastic thing), and
the case of the PSU is exactly the same length, it should snap in place.

If it doesn't work you, then you own a spare power supply

Don't forget to make notes of how all the power cables fit in
there. Which side the wire colors are on and so on. Most connectors
are pretty effectively keyed and only go on one way. But every
once in a while, we run into a person who jams a connector on
backwards, and claims it didn't take excessive force to do that.

If something isn't fitting right, you'll want your notes on how
the thing is oriented, to know whether you should continue bashing
on it. Like, one connector that is going to annoy you, is the floppy
power connector. You may have to tilt it on an angle, to get
it to engage.

There is a 2x2 power connector near the P4 processor, and that
is the ATX12V connector. It has two yellow wires and two black
wires (12V and GND). If you take note of the wire colors, it
reduces the risk of grabbing some other 2x2 connector and
using it by accident. Again, the keying probably wouldn't work
for the wrong connector, but if you watch your wire colors, it's
one way to catch a mistake before powering up the new supply.

The two main power connectors on your motherboard (20 pin and 2x2
pin), have a plastic latch on the side. It mates with a latch
on the motherboard connector. To release the old power supply,
you have to press the latch, then pull up on those connectors.
The new supply connector will easily go into place. You want to
make sure the latch is engaged on both connectors, when you're
finished. The latch is there to prevent the connector from "walking
backwards" out of its mate. Thermal expansion tends to do
that to connectors, which is why those two have latches on
them.

Your hard drive connector is an "interference fit", and doesn't
use a latch. If anything, those can be overly difficult to
remove, mainly because you can't get a grip on them. Some
newer versions of the Molex 1x4, have a release mechanism,
to help ease the connector out, which is a welcome improvement.
That makes up, for the lack of a good grip. (I use my fingers
on the old ones, due to the danger of pliers slipping and
ruining something.)

Good luck,
Paul

KOS wrote:
> On Jul 24, 11:38 am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>> KOS wrote:
>>> On Jul 23, 5:53 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>>>> KOS wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 23, 10:55 am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "James D. Andrews" <jamesdandr...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i27t13$21km$...
>>>>>>> "KOS" <computerstu...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:befdcb61-ecf1-4967-8e9e-...
>>>>>>>> Hi, I have a desktop that is making a loud noise. coming from the
>>>>>>>> powersupply. I want to replace the entire power supply, I have read
>>>>>>>> that I should not do this as it is dangerous and I could get
>>>>>>>> electrocuted... Is this true, is this something that lay people should
>>>>>>>> not do? Thanks
>>>>>>>> KOS
>>>>>>> It's not dangerous to replace the power supply unless you keep it plugged
>>>>>>> in while doing it. NEVER keep it plugged in while working inside your
>>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>> And the danger there is to the computer, not to the person.
>>>>> PAUL
>>>>> what about this power supply?
>>>>> http://www.skyline-eng.com/index.cfm....display&produ...
>>>>> does this look like it would fit the gateway 500s? I have a newton
>>>>> power supply now model NPS 200PB
>>>> If you've satisfied yourself that:
>>>> 1) The form factor and mounting holes needed (i.e. to transfer the mounting
>>>> bracket from the old one) are all present.
>>>> 2) The power rating is greater than or equal to the old one. In the
>>>> Skyline advert, they don't give a closeup view of the label on the supply.
>>>> 3) It has enough connectors. That usually isn't a problem, but it's part
>>>> of the checking process.
>>>> I see two competing interests here in the selection process. There are
>>>> the mechanical mounting details. You need to look at the supply you have
>>>> currently, and see if there is a bracket that fastens to it, as part of the
>>>> mounting. It would be best to get a supply that supports the bracket. In
>>>> that case, one of the Skyline products might be the best choice.
>>>> If I was doing it myself, I would prefer to use a standard ATX (Newegg or
>>>> equivalent, something where I can read the customer reviews to see if
>>>> it is a quality product), say a 300 or 350W, which gives a little bit
>>>> of overcapacity. Overcapacity is OK, as long as a supply doesn't have
>>>> minimum load requirements that are hard to meet.
>>>> But the thing is, if there is no way, using that computer case, to
>>>> properly support a standard ATX, then the Skyline might be the one
>>>> to get.
>>>> I still think, you need to double check that part number. There
>>>> are probably some more digits after the NPS-200PB-xxxx. Also,
>>>> if you can manage to find your 500S details on the Gateway site,
>>>> you may be able to find the Gateway part number (as mentioned in
>>>> the Skyline advert). When Gateway specifies power supplies, they
>>>> have their number, which would call up, up to three different
>>>> manufacturer power supply part numbers. That is why the
>>>> Skyline advert has a number like 6500457 (Gateway part number),
>>>> as well as the Newton NPS-200PB-xxxx.
>>>> So far, I don't see a lot of drama here, just the need to
>>>> get the mechanical mounting details right. All my standard
>>>> ATX cases here, have the power supply fastened by four
>>>> rear screws. If your computer case doesn't mount the
>>>> supply that way, then somehow, you'd need to secure the
>>>> replacement supply in that case.
>>>> Your old supply was 200W. Perhaps the 12V rail was rated at 6 or 7 amps.
>>>> Generally, if I was blindfolded and put in front of a P4 machine,
>>>> I'd specify 300-350W and 12V @ 15A without looking at the label,
>>>> for best general power needs. It is possible to use lower power
>>>> supplies, but a person doing so, has to be absolutely assured
>>>> that the computer is not overloading the supply. I could be,
>>>> in fact, that Skyline is using a 300-350W chassis and using
>>>> it as an exact replacement for your 200W. It may be the reason
>>>> several of their supplies are the same price - it could be a
>>>> "one size fits all" solution, with the extra mounting holes added
>>>> so it can be used with the various Gateway computer cases.
>>>> If I was in the room with you, getting as much info off the
>>>> existing unit as possible, would all be part of determining
>>>> who I'd buy it from, and what I'd be looking for. Many supplies
>>>> will fit the bill, but some of them may make the job easier than
>>>> others. If the computer case was defacto standard design,
>>>> with mounting holes on the back, we'd probably have a couple
>>>> hundred supplies to choose from, to do the replacement.
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Paul- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> hi there Paul,
>>> skyline says its the same exact powersupply and will fit- my complete
>>> model number is NPS- 200PB 119 C Rev:00
>>> I'm going to go with this skyline-.. looking at my powersupply in the
>>> computer looks like it will be kind of hard removing the powersupply,
>>> im trying to figure out if that blule bracket comes out and where the
>>> heck the screws are..looks like i will need a very short screwdriver
>> I found a picture of the label on the side of your supply.
>> This one is made in Thailand. The root Gateway part number
>> is 6500612, which you can see near the bottom of the label.
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061204.shtml
>>
>> Part Number: 6500612200-Watt Power Supply Revision 1
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 5V @ 22A, -12V @ 1.0A, +12V @ 10A, 3.3V @ 14A, 5VSB @ 2.0A
>> 3.3 & 5V combined power less than 135W
>> Output 200W max (means all rails combined)
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061201.shtml (picture)
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...500612tc.shtml (other views)
>>
>> Unfortunately, I don't have any views (yet) of the things bolted
>> to the supply, like any brackets or adapters.
>>
>> OK, the piece of metal with the two screws in it, shown here,
>> creates a lip. The green plastic tab, snaps into place in a
>> hole in the ceiling of the tower case. When it does that,
>> part of the plastic catches against the thickness of this bracket,
>> as near as I can tell. That means the dimensions of the power
>> supply are critical to a good fit. It isn't even clear,
>> how the green tab releases in the first place. I can see
>> how it would snap in, but it isn't clear how you make
>> it release.
>>
>> http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/POWE.../650061202.jpg
>>
>> *******
>>
>> OK, this is the inside of a "Pinta case". There is a power
>> supply with external fan present.
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501234iv.shtml
>>
>> This is "power supply removal" for this particular one.
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...234lvr22.shtml
>>
>> It uses two metal tabs behind the supply for support, plus
>> a plastic tab to hold it in place. Pretty flimsy looking,
>> if that is how yours works.
>>
>> http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/case.../350123430.jpg
>>
>> I particularly enjoy, how the Gateway site is hyperlinked. You
>> can't get back to the master page, from a sub-page like the ones
>> above. It's important to note where a page came from. The
>> main installation page for that Pinta case is here.
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501313tc.shtml
>>
>> Anyway, compare the picture of the flimsy fastening method
>> to your computer innards. One view of the power supply,
>> shows a long rectangular slot, and that is what hooks the
>> metal tabs on the case. The rectangular slot is elongated,
>> to allow the power supply to be slid towards the back of
>> the case. That's why the hole in the power supply, is bigger
>> than the tab, to give room for movement while sliding the
>> PSU.
>>
>> *******
>>
>> My suspicion, after looking at a lot of web pages, is there
>> must have been quite a few different sub-models of "500S".
>> It's hard to say whether the internal details on all of
>> them would be the same or not. Some used 845 chipset and
>> others 865, so the production must have spanned a few years
>> in total.
>>
>> Paul- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501234iv.shtml
> that is definitely my pc.. with that light green fastener.
> im going to order the skyline psupply.. hoping it will fit.. like i
> said, guy said it would, that its designed for my pc.. after all the
> stuff you read, what is your guess? think it will fit

I threw in the last post, to give you some idea how the old one
might come out. As long as the new one has that strip of metal
and two screws (provides a ledge for the green plastic thing), and
the case of the PSU is exactly the same length, it should snap in place.

If it doesn't work you, then you own a spare power supply

Don't forget to make notes of how all the power cables fit in
there. Which side the wire colors are on and so on. Most connectors
are pretty effectively keyed and only go on one way. But every
once in a while, we run into a person who jams a connector on
backwards, and claims it didn't take excessive force to do that.

If something isn't fitting right, you'll want your notes on how
the thing is oriented, to know whether you should continue bashing
on it. Like, one connector that is going to annoy you, is the floppy
power connector. You may have to tilt it on an angle, to get
it to engage.

There is a 2x2 power connector near the P4 processor, and that
is the ATX12V connector. It has two yellow wires and two black
wires (12V and GND). If you take note of the wire colors, it
reduces the risk of grabbing some other 2x2 connector and
using it by accident. Again, the keying probably wouldn't work
for the wrong connector, but if you watch your wire colors, it's
one way to catch a mistake before powering up the new supply.

The two main power connectors on your motherboard (20 pin and 2x2
pin), have a plastic latch on the side. It mates with a latch
on the motherboard connector. To release the old power supply,
you have to press the latch, then pull up on those connectors.
The new supply connector will easily go into place. You want to
make sure the latch is engaged on both connectors, when you're
finished. The latch is there to prevent the connector from "walking
backwards" out of its mate. Thermal expansion tends to do
that to connectors, which is why those two have latches on
them.

Your hard drive connector is an "interference fit", and doesn't
use a latch. If anything, those can be overly difficult to
remove, mainly because you can't get a grip on them. Some
newer versions of the Molex 1x4, have a release mechanism,
to help ease the connector out, which is a welcome improvement.
That makes up, for the lack of a good grip. (I use my fingers
on the old ones, due to the danger of pliers slipping and
ruining something.)

HTH,
Paul

On Jul 24, 10:31*pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> KOS wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 11:38 am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> >> KOS wrote:
> >>> On Jul 23, 5:53 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> >>>> KOS wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 23, 10:55 am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "James D. Andrews" <jamesdandr...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i27t13$21km$...
> >>>>>>> "KOS" <computerstu...@excite.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:befdcb61-ecf1-4967-8e9e-..com...
> >>>>>>>> Hi, I have a desktop that is making a loud noise. coming from the
> >>>>>>>> powersupply. I want to replace the entire power supply, *I have read
> >>>>>>>> that I should not do this as it is dangerous and I could get
> >>>>>>>> electrocuted... Is this true, is this something that lay people should
> >>>>>>>> not do? Thanks
> >>>>>>>> KOS
> >>>>>>> It's not dangerous to replace the power supply unless you keep it plugged
> >>>>>>> in while doing it. *NEVER keep it plugged in while working inside your
> >>>>>>> computer.
> >>>>>> And the danger there is to the computer, not to the person.
> >>>>> PAUL
> >>>>> what about this power supply?
> >>>>>http://www.skyline-eng.com/index.cfm....display&produ...
> >>>>> does this look like it would fit the gateway 500s? I have a newton
> >>>>> power supply now *model NPS 200PB
> >>>> If you've satisfied yourself that:
> >>>> 1) The form factor and mounting holes needed (i.e. to transfer the mounting
> >>>> * * bracket from the old one) are all present.
> >>>> 2) The power rating is greater than or equal to the old one. In the
> >>>> * * Skyline advert, they don't give a closeup view of the label on the supply.
> >>>> 3) It has enough connectors. That usually isn't a problem, but it's part
> >>>> * * of the checking process.
> >>>> I see two competing interests here in the selection process. There are
> >>>> the mechanical mounting details. You need to look at the supply you have
> >>>> currently, and see if there is a bracket that fastens to it, as part of the
> >>>> mounting. It would be best to get a supply that supports the bracket.. In
> >>>> that case, one of the Skyline products might be the best choice.
> >>>> If I was doing it myself, I would prefer to use a standard ATX (Newegg or
> >>>> equivalent, something where I can read the customer reviews to see if
> >>>> it is a quality product), say a 300 or 350W, which gives a little bit
> >>>> of overcapacity. Overcapacity is OK, as long as a supply doesn't have
> >>>> minimum load requirements that are hard to meet.
> >>>> But the thing is, if there is no way, using that computer case, to
> >>>> properly support a standard ATX, then the Skyline might be the one
> >>>> to get.
> >>>> I still think, you need to double check that part number. There
> >>>> are probably some more digits after the NPS-200PB-xxxx. Also,
> >>>> if you can manage to find your 500S details on the Gateway site,
> >>>> you may be able to find the Gateway part number (as mentioned in
> >>>> the Skyline advert). When Gateway specifies power supplies, they
> >>>> have their number, which would call up, up to three different
> >>>> manufacturer power supply part numbers. That is why the
> >>>> Skyline advert has a number like 6500457 (Gateway part number),
> >>>> as well as the Newton NPS-200PB-xxxx.
> >>>> So far, I don't see a lot of drama here, just the need to
> >>>> get the mechanical mounting details right. All my standard
> >>>> ATX cases here, have the power supply fastened by four
> >>>> rear screws. If your computer case doesn't mount the
> >>>> supply that way, then somehow, you'd need to secure the
> >>>> replacement supply in that case.
> >>>> Your old supply was 200W. Perhaps the 12V rail was rated at 6 or 7 amps.
> >>>> Generally, if I was blindfolded and put in front of a P4 machine,
> >>>> I'd specify 300-350W and 12V @ 15A without looking at the label,
> >>>> for best general power needs. It is possible to use lower power
> >>>> supplies, but a person doing so, has to be absolutely assured
> >>>> that the computer is not overloading the supply. I could be,
> >>>> in fact, that Skyline is using a 300-350W chassis and using
> >>>> it as an exact replacement for your 200W. It may be the reason
> >>>> several of their supplies are the same price - it could be a
> >>>> "one size fits all" solution, with the extra mounting holes added
> >>>> so it can be used with the various Gateway computer cases.
> >>>> If I was in the room with you, getting as much info off the
> >>>> existing unit as possible, would all be part of determining
> >>>> who I'd buy it from, and what I'd be looking for. Many supplies
> >>>> will fit the bill, but some of them may make the job easier than
> >>>> others. If the computer case was defacto standard design,
> >>>> with mounting holes on the back, we'd probably have a couple
> >>>> hundred supplies to choose from, to do the replacement.
> >>>> HTH,
> >>>> * * * Paul- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> hi there Paul,
> >>> skyline says its the same exact powersupply and will fit- my complete
> >>> model number is NPS- 200PB 119 C *Rev:00
> >>> I'm going to go with this skyline-.. looking at my powersupply in the
> >>> computer looks like it will be kind of hard removing the powersupply,
> >>> im trying to figure out if that blule bracket comes out and where the
> >>> heck the screws are..looks like i will need a very short screwdriver
> >> I found a picture of the label on the side of your supply.
> >> This one is made in Thailand. The root Gateway part number
> >> is 6500612, which you can see near the bottom of the label.
>
> >>http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061204.shtml
>
> >> * * Part Number: 6500612200-Watt Power Supply Revision 1
> >> * * ----------------------------------------------------
>
> >> * * 5V @ 22A, -12V @ 1.0A, +12V @ 10A, 3.3V @ 14A, 5VSB @ 2.0A
> >> * * 3.3 & 5V combined power less than 135W
> >> * * Output 200W max (means all rails combined)
>
> >>http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061201.shtml*(picture)
>
> >>http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...tc.shtml(other views)
>
> >> Unfortunately, I don't have any views (yet) of the things bolted
> >> to the supply, like any brackets or adapters.
>
> >> OK, the piece of metal with the two screws in it, shown here,
> >> creates a lip. The green plastic tab, snaps into place in a
> >> hole in the ceiling of the tower case. When it does that,
> >> part of the plastic catches against the thickness of this bracket,
> >> as near as I can tell. That means the dimensions of the power
> >> supply are critical to a good fit. It isn't even clear,
> >> how the green tab releases in the first place. I can see
> >> how it would snap in, but it isn't clear how you make
> >> it release.
>
> >>http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/POWE.../650061202.jpg
>
> >> *******
>
> >> OK, this is the inside of a "Pinta case". There is a power
> >> supply with external fan present.
>
> >>http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501234iv.shtml
>
> >> This is "power supply removal" for this particular one.
>
> >>http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...234lvr22.shtml
>
> >> It uses two metal tabs behind the supply for support, plus
> >> a plastic tab to hold it in place. Pretty flimsy looking,
> >> if that is how yours works.
>
> >>http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/case.../350123430.jpg
>
> >> I particularly enjoy, how the Gateway site is hyperlinked. You
> >> can't get back to the master page, from a sub-page like the ones
> >> above. It's important to note where a page came from. The
> >> main installation page for that Pinta case is here.
>
> >>http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501313tc.shtml
>
> >> Anyway, compare the picture of the flimsy fastening method
> >> to your computer innards. One view of the power supply,
> >> shows a long rectangular slot, and that is what hooks the
> >> metal tabs on the case. The rectangular slot is elongated,
> >> to allow the power supply to be slid towards the back of
> >> the case. That's why the hole in the power supply, is bigger
> >> than the tab, to give room for movement while sliding the
> >> PSU.
>
> >> *******
>
> >> My suspicion, after looking at a lot of web pages, is there
> >> must have been quite a few different sub-models of "500S".
> >> It's hard to say whether the internal details on all of
> >> them would be the same or not. Some used 845 chipset and
> >> others 865, so the production must have spanned a few years
> >> in total.
>
> >> * * Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501234iv.shtml
> > that is definitely my pc.. with that light green fastener.
> > im going to order the skyline psupply.. hoping it will fit.. like i
> > said, guy said it would, that its designed for my pc.. after all the
> > stuff you read, what is your guess? think it will fit
>
> I threw in the last post, to give you some idea how the old one
> might come out. As long as the new one has that strip of metal
> and two screws (provides a ledge for the green plastic thing), and
> the case of the PSU is exactly the same length, it should snap in place.
>
> If it doesn't work you, then you own a spare power supply
>
> Don't forget to make notes of how all the power cables fit in
> there. Which side the wire colors are on and so on. Most connectors
> are pretty effectively keyed and only go on one way. But every
> once in a while, we run into a person who jams a connector on
> backwards, and claims it didn't take excessive force to do that.
>
> If something isn't fitting right, you'll want your notes on how
> the thing is oriented, to know whether you should continue bashing
> on it. Like, one connector that is going to annoy you, is the floppy
> power connector. You may have to tilt it on an angle, to get
> it to engage.
>
> There is a 2x2 power connector near the P4 processor, and that
> is the ATX12V connector. It has two yellow wires and two black
> wires (12V and GND). If you take note of the wire colors, it
> reduces the risk of grabbing some other 2x2 connector and
> using it by accident. Again, the keying probably wouldn't work
> for the wrong connector, but if you watch your wire colors, it's
> one way to catch a mistake before powering up the new supply.
>
> The two main power connectors on your motherboard (20 pin and 2x2
> pin), have a plastic latch on the side. It mates with a latch
> on the motherboard connector. To release the old power supply,
> you have to press the latch, then pull up on those connectors.
> The new supply connector will easily go into place. You want to
> make sure the latch is engaged on both connectors, when you're
> finished. *The latch is there to prevent the connector from "walking
> backwards" out of its mate. Thermal expansion tends to do
> that to connectors, which is why those two have latches on
> them.
>
> Your hard drive connector is an "interference fit", and doesn't
> use a latch. If anything, those can be overly difficult to
> remove, mainly because you can't get a grip on them. Some
> newer versions of the Molex 1x4, have a release mechanism,
> to help ease the connector out, which is a welcome improvement.
> That makes up, for the lack of a good grip. (I use my fingers
> on the old ones, due to the danger of pliers slipping and
> ruining something.)
>
> Good luck,
> * * Paul

Paul, thanks so much for your input. Got another question... My
gateway's powersupply was making a really lloud sound, it was the fan
- now though the thing died completely.. When I press the power
button, computer does not turn on...At all.. There is though a light
on the motherboard... Is this what happens when the powersupply dies?
Could it also be that the power button blew out too?? the button to
turn on the PC? Again, the fan was really making a loud noise (the
power supply fan)- now pc is dead.

KOS wrote:

>
> Paul, thanks so much for your input. Got another question... My
> gateway's powersupply was making a really lloud sound, it was the fan
> - now though the thing died completely.. When I press the power
> button, computer does not turn on...At all.. There is though a light
> on the motherboard... Is this what happens when the powersupply dies?
> Could it also be that the power button blew out too?? the button to
> turn on the PC? Again, the fan was really making a loud noise (the
> power supply fan)- now pc is dead.

So the fan speed went up, because the power supply was overheating
inside. Now the power supply is dead, finally succumbing to whatever
was ailing it. Since you've let that happen (run to failure), now
the replacement isn't guaranteed to fix it. The thing is, when some
power supplies fail, they damage the motherboard, or the hard drive,
or optical drive, keyboard or mouse.

When you get the replacement, it'll be interesting to see whether
it boots again. Then you'll have your answer, as to whether there
was collateral damage.

When someone reports "a noise", I can't tell from that description
what kind of noise it is. My assumption, in your case, was fan bearing
failure, leading to "grumbling" noise or squeaking or the like.
(In other words, *only* a fan failure.) So then, your noise was
actually the fan, operating normally but at high RPM speed, trying
to cool something hotter than normal. (Maybe you have a plugged
cooling vent or cooling path - hair, dust, or fur gathered somewhere ?
I've seen some pretty amazing plugged up cooling before.)

If you had a certain model of Bestec 250W power supply, there'd be pretty
well a guarantee of damaged hardware. It's really a coin toss for the
rest of the supply brands and types, with a lot of modern supplies
causing no problems at all when they fail. Down to the $20 supplies,
which raise the odds of getting a rude surprise. The lower the price
of the supply, and the lower sophistication of protection features,
the poorer the odds of survival of the other hardware. The Bestec
model, used to over-volt before failure, which is why the other hardware
would blow out.

Some computers in the past, used the power supply fan for system cooling
as well as power supply cooling. In fact, there was a three pin
fan connector, which plugged from the supply, down to a keyed motherboard
fan header. The motherboard in that case, actually controls the fan
speed, and can turn up the fan if the CPU gets too hot. Now that you
can't run the computer, we cannot verify whether the CPU was too hot
or not. (Sometimes, the BIOS has a hardware monitor page, with CPU
temperature listed, or you can use a utility like Speedfan from
almico.com .)

What could happen, is you connect the new supply, get all the connectors
right, fire it up, and hear the same level of high speed fan operation.
It could be caused by the CPU operating hotter than it should. In some
cases, that is caused by the CPU heatsink coming loose from the motherboard.
Intel in the past, has used plastic parts, under tension. And after
enough time, something like that could crack and fail. So that is
something else for you to check on, when you're inside the case.
Whether any heat sink clamp or latch is secure.

You may also want to look at any smaller heatsink on the Northbridge chip.
Machines of that era, used a wire that fastens into two metal hook eyes,
and the hook eyes are soldered to the motherboard. The metal used
for the hook eye, is selected for strength, instead of for its ability
to solder well. What happens, is the hook eye pulls out of the motherboard,
because the solder isn't really securing it. At least one brand of
motherboard, actually has an electrical continuity check, where it
can detect the hooks and spring wire are no longer doing what they're supposed
to do. In any case, you'd look at the Northbridge, and make sure it's
heatsink is still fastened properly.

Good luck,
Paul

Paul wrote:
> KOS wrote:
>> On Jul 24, 11:38 am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>>> KOS wrote:
>>>> On Jul 23, 5:53 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>>>>> KOS wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 23, 10:55 am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> "James D. Andrews" <jamesdandr...@att.net> wrote in
>>>>>>> messagenews:i27t13$21km$...
>>>>>>>> "KOS" <computerstu...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:befdcb61-ecf1-4967-8e9e-...
>>>>>>>>> Hi, I have a desktop that is making a loud noise. coming from
>>>>>>>>> the powersupply. I want to replace the entire power supply, I have
>>>>>>>>> read that I should not do this as it is dangerous and
>>>>>>>>> I could get electrocuted... Is this true, is this something
>>>>>>>>> that lay people should not do? Thanks
>>>>>>>>> KOS
>>>>>>>> It's not dangerous to replace the power supply unless you keep
>>>>>>>> it plugged in while doing it. NEVER keep it plugged in while
>>>>>>>> working inside your computer.
>>>>>>> And the danger there is to the computer, not to the person.
>>>>>> PAUL
>>>>>> what about this power supply?
>>>>>> http://www.skyline-eng.com/index.cfm....display&produ...
>>>>>> does this look like it would fit the gateway 500s? I have a
>>>>>> newton power supply now model NPS 200PB
>>>>> If you've satisfied yourself that:
>>>>> 1) The form factor and mounting holes needed (i.e. to transfer
>>>>> the mounting bracket from the old one) are all present.
>>>>> 2) The power rating is greater than or equal to the old one. In
>>>>> the Skyline advert, they don't give a closeup view of the
>>>>> label on the supply. 3) It has enough connectors. That usually
>>>>> isn't a problem, but it's part of the checking process.
>>>>> I see two competing interests here in the selection process.
>>>>> There are the mechanical mounting details. You need to look at the
>>>>> supply
>>>>> you have currently, and see if there is a bracket that fastens to
>>>>> it, as part of the mounting. It would be best to get a supply
>>>>> that supports the bracket. In that case, one of the Skyline products
>>>>> might be the best choice.
>>>>> If I was doing it myself, I would prefer to use a standard ATX
>>>>> (Newegg or equivalent, something where I can read the customer
>>>>> reviews to see if it is a quality product), say a 300 or 350W, which
>>>>> gives a little
>>>>> bit of overcapacity. Overcapacity is OK, as long as a supply doesn't
>>>>> have minimum load requirements that are hard to meet.
>>>>> But the thing is, if there is no way, using that computer case, to
>>>>> properly support a standard ATX, then the Skyline might be the one
>>>>> to get.
>>>>> I still think, you need to double check that part number. There
>>>>> are probably some more digits after the NPS-200PB-xxxx. Also,
>>>>> if you can manage to find your 500S details on the Gateway site,
>>>>> you may be able to find the Gateway part number (as mentioned in
>>>>> the Skyline advert). When Gateway specifies power supplies, they
>>>>> have their number, which would call up, up to three different
>>>>> manufacturer power supply part numbers. That is why the
>>>>> Skyline advert has a number like 6500457 (Gateway part number),
>>>>> as well as the Newton NPS-200PB-xxxx.
>>>>> So far, I don't see a lot of drama here, just the need to
>>>>> get the mechanical mounting details right. All my standard
>>>>> ATX cases here, have the power supply fastened by four
>>>>> rear screws. If your computer case doesn't mount the
>>>>> supply that way, then somehow, you'd need to secure the
>>>>> replacement supply in that case.
>>>>> Your old supply was 200W. Perhaps the 12V rail was rated at 6 or
>>>>> 7 amps. Generally, if I was blindfolded and put in front of a P4
>>>>> machine, I'd specify 300-350W and 12V @ 15A without looking at the
>>>>> label,
>>>>> for best general power needs. It is possible to use lower power
>>>>> supplies, but a person doing so, has to be absolutely assured
>>>>> that the computer is not overloading the supply. I could be,
>>>>> in fact, that Skyline is using a 300-350W chassis and using
>>>>> it as an exact replacement for your 200W. It may be the reason
>>>>> several of their supplies are the same price - it could be a
>>>>> "one size fits all" solution, with the extra mounting holes added
>>>>> so it can be used with the various Gateway computer cases.
>>>>> If I was in the room with you, getting as much info off the
>>>>> existing unit as possible, would all be part of determining
>>>>> who I'd buy it from, and what I'd be looking for. Many supplies
>>>>> will fit the bill, but some of them may make the job easier than
>>>>> others. If the computer case was defacto standard design,
>>>>> with mounting holes on the back, we'd probably have a couple
>>>>> hundred supplies to choose from, to do the replacement.
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>> Paul- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> hi there Paul,
>>>> skyline says its the same exact powersupply and will fit- my
>>>> complete model number is NPS- 200PB 119 C Rev:00
>>>> I'm going to go with this skyline-.. looking at my powersupply in
>>>> the computer looks like it will be kind of hard removing the
>>>> powersupply, im trying to figure out if that blule bracket comes
>>>> out and where the heck the screws are..looks like i will need a
>>>> very short screwdriver
>>> I found a picture of the label on the side of your supply.
>>> This one is made in Thailand. The root Gateway part number
>>> is 6500612, which you can see near the bottom of the label.
>>>
>>> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061204.shtml
>>>
>>> Part Number: 6500612200-Watt Power Supply Revision 1
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> 5V @ 22A, -12V @ 1.0A, +12V @ 10A, 3.3V @ 14A, 5VSB @ 2.0A
>>> 3.3 & 5V combined power less than 135W
>>> Output 200W max (means all rails combined)
>>>
>>> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...50061201.shtml (picture)
>>> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6...500612tc.shtml (other
>>> views) Unfortunately, I don't have any views (yet) of the things bolted
>>> to the supply, like any brackets or adapters.
>>>
>>> OK, the piece of metal with the two screws in it, shown here,
>>> creates a lip. The green plastic tab, snaps into place in a
>>> hole in the ceiling of the tower case. When it does that,
>>> part of the plastic catches against the thickness of this bracket,
>>> as near as I can tell. That means the dimensions of the power
>>> supply are critical to a good fit. It isn't even clear,
>>> how the green tab releases in the first place. I can see
>>> how it would snap in, but it isn't clear how you make
>>> it release.
>>>
>>> http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/POWE.../650061202.jpg
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> OK, this is the inside of a "Pinta case". There is a power
>>> supply with external fan present.
>>>
>>> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501234iv.shtml
>>>
>>> This is "power supply removal" for this particular one.
>>>
>>> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...234lvr22.shtml
>>>
>>> It uses two metal tabs behind the supply for support, plus
>>> a plastic tab to hold it in place. Pretty flimsy looking,
>>> if that is how yours works.
>>>
>>> http://cdnsupport.gateway.com/s/case.../350123430.jpg
>>>
>>> I particularly enjoy, how the Gateway site is hyperlinked. You
>>> can't get back to the master page, from a sub-page like the ones
>>> above. It's important to note where a page came from. The
>>> main installation page for that Pinta case is here.
>>>
>>> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501313tc.shtml
>>>
>>> Anyway, compare the picture of the flimsy fastening method
>>> to your computer innards. One view of the power supply,
>>> shows a long rectangular slot, and that is what hooks the
>>> metal tabs on the case. The rectangular slot is elongated,
>>> to allow the power supply to be slid towards the back of
>>> the case. That's why the hole in the power supply, is bigger
>>> than the tab, to give room for movement while sliding the
>>> PSU.
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> My suspicion, after looking at a lot of web pages, is there
>>> must have been quite a few different sub-models of "500S".
>>> It's hard to say whether the internal details on all of
>>> them would be the same or not. Some used 845 chipset and
>>> others 865, so the production must have spanned a few years
>>> in total.
>>>
>>> Paul- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/CASES/3...501234iv.shtml
>> that is definitely my pc.. with that light green fastener.
>> im going to order the skyline psupply.. hoping it will fit.. like i
>> said, guy said it would, that its designed for my pc.. after all the
>> stuff you read, what is your guess? think it will fit
>
> I threw in the last post, to give you some idea how the old one
> might come out. As long as the new one has that strip of metal
> and two screws (provides a ledge for the green plastic thing), and
> the case of the PSU is exactly the same length, it should snap in
> place.
> If it doesn't work you, then you own a spare power supply
>
> Don't forget to make notes of how all the power cables fit in
> there. Which side the wire colors are on and so on. Most connectors
> are pretty effectively keyed and only go on one way. But every
> once in a while, we run into a person who jams a connector on
> backwards, and claims it didn't take excessive force to do that.
>
> If something isn't fitting right, you'll want your notes on how
> the thing is oriented, to know whether you should continue bashing
> on it. Like, one connector that is going to annoy you, is the floppy
> power connector. You may have to tilt it on an angle, to get
> it to engage.
>
> There is a 2x2 power connector near the P4 processor, and that
> is the ATX12V connector. It has two yellow wires and two black
> wires (12V and GND). If you take note of the wire colors, it
> reduces the risk of grabbing some other 2x2 connector and
> using it by accident. Again, the keying probably wouldn't work
> for the wrong connector, but if you watch your wire colors, it's
> one way to catch a mistake before powering up the new supply.
>
> The two main power connectors on your motherboard (20 pin and 2x2
> pin), have a plastic latch on the side. It mates with a latch
> on the motherboard connector. To release the old power supply,
> you have to press the latch, then pull up on those connectors.
> The new supply connector will easily go into place. You want to
> make sure the latch is engaged on both connectors, when you're
> finished. The latch is there to prevent the connector from "walking
> backwards" out of its mate. Thermal expansion tends to do
> that to connectors, which is why those two have latches on
> them.
>
> Your hard drive connector is an "interference fit", and doesn't
> use a latch. If anything, those can be overly difficult to
> remove, mainly because you can't get a grip on them. Some
> newer versions of the Molex 1x4, have a release mechanism,
> to help ease the connector out, which is a welcome improvement.
> That makes up, for the lack of a good grip. (I use my fingers
> on the old ones, due to the danger of pliers slipping and
> ruining something.)
>
> HTH,
> Paul

Or the OP could just replace the fan in the PSU which is probably where the
noise is coming from.

Neil Green wrote:

>
> Or the OP could just replace the fan in the PSU which is probably where the
> noise is coming from.
>

Yes, if you know what you're doing.

Paul