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On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:09:02 -0400, "Peter"
<> wrote:

>"otter" <> wrote in message
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>On Jul 14, 9:48 am, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/14/10 9:39 AM, in article
>> 4b537d8a-636c-4325-ae2c-a5d69a84e...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, "otter"
>
>
>> > I don't own any apple products now. I went down that road for a
>> > while, but finally got fed up with paying twice as much for every
>> > little thing, compatibility issues, and lack of software.
>>
>> Your loss. "Once you go Mac, you never go back".
>>
>>
>
>>That's interesting, because I did go Mac for awhile. However, I may try it
>>again some time. Not > completely ruling it out.
>
>
>I have used Photoshop and Corel on both the Mac and PC without noticing any
>significant difference.
>The graphics shops I know seem to prefer Mac, though that may be because of
>familiarity.

All of the schools around here that teach graphics use Macs, so the
graduates of those schools tend to buy Macs for personal use because
they are accustomed to them. Apple must have made some sweet deals
with the schools when the programs started. Good business move.

I took one course in Photoshop (old photo restoration) and was the
slowest person in the class. The instructor was a short-cut fanatic
and all lessons involved Mac short-cuts. I knew PC short-cuts and
instinctively tried to use them.

I saw no particular advantage to the Mac I used in class compared to
my home PC. Just different.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

"Peter" <> wrote in message
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> "otter" <> wrote in message
> news:c6162942-afda-425b-b018-...
> On Jul 14, 9:48 am, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/14/10 9:39 AM, in article
>> 4b537d8a-636c-4325-ae2c-a5d69a84e...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com,
>> "otter"
>
>
>> > I don't own any apple products now. I went down that road for a
>> > while, but finally got fed up with paying twice as much for every
>> > little thing, compatibility issues, and lack of software.
>>
>> Your loss. "Once you go Mac, you never go back".
>>
>>
>
>>That's interesting, because I did go Mac for awhile. However, I may try it
>>again some time. Not > completely ruling it out.
>
>
> I have used Photoshop and Corel on both the Mac and PC without noticing
> any significant difference.
> The graphics shops I know seem to prefer Mac, though that may be because
> of familiarity.

Or just less hassle, how many Mac owners spend a significant time
re-installing the OS every so often. Then there's viruses.
Most of the people I know use macs because they work better than PCs
or they have in the past.Macs also seem easier for most to understand.

>
> I use the PC because it has more of the programs I use and I also need a
> minimal futz factor when exchanging files. Although my new i7 machine
> beats anything I have previously used, I am confident that the new Macs
> also have the speed.
>
> You are correct though lower operating costs on a PC.
> And Yes I know about compatibility.

I'm not to sure about the lower operating costs, it might seem that way on
the surface and it depends how compedent you are at solving problems.

"tony cooper" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:09:02 -0400, "Peter"
> <> wrote:
>
>>"otter" <> wrote in message
>>news:c6162942-afda-425b-b018-...
>>On Jul 14, 9:48 am, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/14/10 9:39 AM, in article
>>> 4b537d8a-636c-4325-ae2c-a5d69a84e...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com,
>>> "otter"
>>
>>
>>> > I don't own any apple products now. I went down that road for a
>>> > while, but finally got fed up with paying twice as much for every
>>> > little thing, compatibility issues, and lack of software.
>>>
>>> Your loss. "Once you go Mac, you never go back".
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>That's interesting, because I did go Mac for awhile. However, I may try
>>>it
>>>again some time. Not > completely ruling it out.
>>
>>
>>I have used Photoshop and Corel on both the Mac and PC without noticing
>>any
>>significant difference.
>>The graphics shops I know seem to prefer Mac, though that may be because
>>of
>>familiarity.
>
> All of the schools around here that teach graphics use Macs, so the
> graduates of those schools tend to buy Macs for personal use because
> they are accustomed to them. Apple must have made some sweet deals
> with the schools when the programs started. Good business move.
>
> I took one course in Photoshop (old photo restoration) and was the
> slowest person in the class. The instructor was a short-cut fanatic
> and all lessons involved Mac short-cuts. I knew PC short-cuts and
> instinctively tried to use them.
>
> I saw no particular advantage to the Mac I used in class compared to
> my home PC. Just different.
>


Can we fairly say that this shows that the saying: "familiarity breeds
contempt," doesn't always apply.

--
Peter

"tony cooper" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:09:02 -0400, "Peter"
> <> wrote:
>
>>"otter" <> wrote in message
>>news:c6162942-afda-425b-b018-...
>>On Jul 14, 9:48 am, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/14/10 9:39 AM, in article
>>> 4b537d8a-636c-4325-ae2c-a5d69a84e...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com,
>>> "otter"
>>
>>
>>> > I don't own any apple products now. I went down that road for a
>>> > while, but finally got fed up with paying twice as much for every
>>> > little thing, compatibility issues, and lack of software.
>>>
>>> Your loss. "Once you go Mac, you never go back".
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>That's interesting, because I did go Mac for awhile. However, I may try
>>>it
>>>again some time. Not > completely ruling it out.
>>
>>
>>I have used Photoshop and Corel on both the Mac and PC without noticing
>>any
>>significant difference.
>>The graphics shops I know seem to prefer Mac, though that may be because
>>of
>>familiarity.
>
> All of the schools around here that teach graphics use Macs, so the
> graduates of those schools tend to buy Macs for personal use because
> they are accustomed to them. Apple must have made some sweet deals
> with the schools when the programs started. Good business move.

I wonder if tehy did, I bet most don;t get any special deals other than the
educational discount which isn';t a great deal maybe 10% so it's not like
they give them away.
But they do a good deal on Applecare for education.


> I took one course in Photoshop (old photo restoration) and was the
> slowest person in the class. The instructor was a short-cut fanatic
> and all lessons involved Mac short-cuts. I knew PC short-cuts and
> instinctively tried to use them.

Even after over 20 years of using both the ctrl and command key swaps still
**** me off, but I'll survive.

My dad failed to learn to edit his photos on a Mac as his 'instructor'
couldn't find or create the short-cuts !!!!!!


> I saw no particular advantage to the Mac I used in class compared to
> my home PC. Just different.

There shouldn't be really, but I've found the OS of Macs to be much more
stable and nice to use. I started off with a BBC micro and a unix system and
the first computer I used was a PET.

"George Kerby" <> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> On 7/14/10 10:09 AM, in article
> 4c3dd3ac$0$5549$, "Peter"
> <> wrote:
>
>> "otter" <> wrote in message
>> news:c6162942-afda-425b-b018-...
>> On Jul 14, 9:48 am, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/14/10 9:39 AM, in article
>>> 4b537d8a-636c-4325-ae2c-a5d69a84e...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com,
>>> "otter"
>>
>>
>>>> I don't own any apple products now. I went down that road for a
>>>> while, but finally got fed up with paying twice as much for every
>>>> little thing, compatibility issues, and lack of software.
>>>
>>> Your loss. "Once you go Mac, you never go back".
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> That's interesting, because I did go Mac for awhile. However, I may try
>>> it
>>> again some time. Not > completely ruling it out.
>>
>>
>> I have used Photoshop and Corel on both the Mac and PC without noticing
>> any
>> significant difference.
>> The graphics shops I know seem to prefer Mac, though that may be because
>> of
>> familiarity.
>>
>> I use the PC because it has more of the programs I use and I also need a
>> minimal futz factor when exchanging files. Although my new i7 machine
>> beats
>> anything I have previously used, I am confident that the new Macs also
>> have
>> the speed.
>>
>> You are correct though lower operating costs on a PC.
>> And Yes I know about compatibility.
>>
> There IS a reason that AAPL has shot through the roof and it is known as
> 'Customer Satisfaction'. Meanwhile, MSFT and other PC makers shares have
> languished.
>
> Graphic pros, videographers and pro photographers use Mac because of ease
> of
> use and 'user friendliness'. Twenty-five years ago Mac LaserWriter put
> Page
> Layout in the hands of those who previously had to rely on expensive
> Typography services. A program, "Digital Darkroom" was on the Mac before
> Aldus brought out Photoshop, so pro photographers naturally leaned that
> way.
> And Final Cut Pro is the chosen tool over Premiere by Video pros.
>
> The initial cost may be more, but time is money and when all is
> considered,
> including the packaged software, the Mac is the choice of most
> professionals.
>


For the reasons stated above and since I am not a professional and don't use
Final Cut, or any other video editing program, I will stick with PC.

Obviously you are a professional and should do whatever makes you feel
better.
--
Peter

On Jul 13, 11:00*pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 13/07/10 7:30 PM, Rich wrote:
>
> > The new model will be the iPhone DT a special model that includes a
> > 1/2" x 2" strip of duct tape, for only $25.00 over the cost of the
> > current iPhone.
>
> I'm sure a bunch of manufacturers in China are gearing up production of
> 1/2" x 2" pieces of duct tape and it will be available after-market for
> much less than $25.

Seriously, Apple should simply provide a piece of opaque or clear
tape, with a good acrylic or silicone adhesive. Once applied, it will
stay put forever.

"Allen" <> wrote in message
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> <snip>

> The main difference between people and sheep is that humans are divided
> into two groups: PC users and Apple users.
> Allen



What about Linux & Solaris?
And then there are the Linux distributions. You think Canon v Nikon gets
abusive?

--
Peter

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:40:51 -0500, George Kerby
<> wrote:

>Graphic pros, videographers and pro photographers use Mac because of ease of
>use and 'user friendliness'. Twenty-five years ago Mac LaserWriter put Page
>Layout in the hands of those who previously had to rely on expensive
>Typography services. A program, "Digital Darkroom" was on the Mac before
>Aldus brought out Photoshop, so pro photographers naturally leaned that way.
>And Final Cut Pro is the chosen tool over Premiere by Video pros.
>

That's a popular theory, but it seems to imply a choice made after
evaluating two alternatives. I don't think it works like that.

Unless you are completely self-taught and have always worked alone,
you've been taught on a particular system and/or have used a
work-provided computer. When you buy your own system you will most
likely buy that same brand.

That means that whatever is used in the schools, or in the shops that
started as the field emerged is the type that will get the most use by
the profession.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

On Jul 14, 2:16*pm, Allen <all...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> otter wrote:
>
> <snip>> I worked on a sheep ranch when I was a kid. *Sheep are pretty laid-
> > back. *These were more like monkeys. *The atmosphere was frenetic.
> > The last time I recall seeing this much excitement in a computer store
> > was when the original macs came out.
>
> <snip>
> My father was a part-time sheep rancher, so I was around a lot of sheep
> in my very much younger days. One thing I can say is that they are the
> ultimate herd animals: they will follow their leader, no matter what. I
> especially remember a story in the newspapers in about 1957 from the
> sheep-raising country in France. The lead sheep walked over the edge of
> a tall cliff and the entire herd followed, resulting in 2,200 dead
> sheep. The truckers and shearers who move a lot of sheep use Judas goats
> to lead them wherever they need them to go. The main difference between
> people and sheep is that humans are divided into two groups: PC users
> and Apple users.
> Allen

I don't remember the follow-the-leader thing with sheep so much.
Seemed like there were always some that wanted to go their own way.
But that's why we had sheep dogs. Watching a good sheep dog work is a
thing of beauty.

We had a fair number of Basque sheep herders in northern Colorado
where I was at. Maybe they were from close to the same area in
France?

The one thing that sticks in my mind is what we used to do in the
Spring to young male lambs using rubber bands.

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:16:03 -0500, Allen <>
wrote:
>
> The main difference between people and sheep is that humans
> are divided into two groups: PC users and Apple users.


Surely you meant "Nikon users and Canon users"?