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Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet
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      07-07-2010
Donald Knuth once remarked (I think it was him) that what matters for a program
is the name, and that he'd come up with a really good name, now all he'd had to
do was figure out what it should be all about.

And so considering Sturla Molden's recent posting about unavailability of MSVC
9.0 (aka Visual C++ 200 for creating Python extensions in Windows, and my
unimaginative reply proposing names like "pni" and "pynacoin" for a compiler
independent Python native code interface, suddenly, as if out of thin air, or
perhaps out of fish pudding, the name "pyni" occurred to me.

"pyni"! Pronounced like "tiny"! Yay!

I sat down and made my first Python extension module, following the tutorial in
the docs. It worked!

But, wait, perhaps some other extension is already named "piny"?

Google.

<url: http://code.google.com/p/pyni/>, "PyNI is [a] config file reader/writer".

Argh!


- Alf

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Richard Thomas
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      07-07-2010
On Jul 7, 3:11*am, "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach
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> Donald Knuth once remarked (I think it was him) that what matters for a program
> is the name, and that he'd come up with a really good name, now all he'd had to
> do was figure out what it should be all about.
>
> And so considering Sturla Molden's recent posting about unavailability of MSVC
> 9.0 (aka Visual C++ 200 for creating Python extensions in Windows, and my
> unimaginative reply proposing names like "pni" and "pynacoin" for a compiler
> independent Python native code interface, suddenly, as if out of thin air, or
> perhaps out of fish pudding, the name "pyni" occurred to me.
>
> "pyni"! Pronounced like "tiny"! Yay!
>
> I sat down and made my first Python extension module, following the tutorial in
> the docs. It worked!
>
> But, wait, perhaps some other extension is already named "piny"?
>
> Google.
>
> <url:http://code.google.com/p/pyni/>, "PyNI is [a] config file reader/writer".
>
> Argh!
>
> - Alf
>
> --
> blog at <url:http://alfps.wordpress.com>


PyNI seems to perform the same function as ConfigParser. I prefer the
pronunciation like tiny to Py-N-I. The latter seems clunky.

On a possibly related note I was disappointed to discover that
Python's QT bindings are called PyQT not QTPy.

Chard.
 
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Stephen Hansen
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      07-07-2010
On 7/6/10 8:25 PM, Shashwat Anand wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Richard Thomas <(E-Mail Removed)
> <(E-Mail Removed)>> wrote:
> On a possibly related note I was disappointed to discover that
> Python's QT bindings are called PyQT not QTPy.
> Isn't this the standard.
> Qt -> PyQt
> crypto -> pycrypto
> MT -> PyMT


I think the point is QTPy would be pronounced "cutie pie"

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rantingrick
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      07-07-2010
On Jul 6, 9:11*pm, "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach
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> "pyni"! Pronounced like "tiny"! Yay!


hmm, how's about an alternate spelling... "pyknee", or "pynee", or
"pynie" ... considering those are not taken either?

 
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Dennis Lee Bieber
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      07-07-2010
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 19:51:30 -0700 (PDT), Richard Thomas
<(E-Mail Removed)> declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:

> On a possibly related note I was disappointed to discover that
> Python's QT bindings are called PyQT not QTPy.
>

<snort>

And here I always felt that the HP <> Compaq "merger" should have
changed their stock listing to HQP (pronounced "hiccup" -- for Hewlett
ComPa[q|ck]ard)
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Rami Chowdhury
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      07-07-2010
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 22:42:25 rantingrick wrote:
> On Jul 6, 9:11 pm, "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach
>
> (E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > "pyni"! Pronounced like "tiny"! Yay!

>
> hmm, how's about an alternate spelling... "pyknee", or "pynee", or
> "pynie" ... considering those are not taken either?


Pynie's taken too -- it's the Python implementation on the Parrot VM.

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MRAB
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      07-07-2010
Rami Chowdhury wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 July 2010 22:42:25 rantingrick wrote:
>> On Jul 6, 9:11 pm, "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach
>>
>> (E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> "pyni"! Pronounced like "tiny"! Yay!

>> hmm, how's about an alternate spelling... "pyknee", or "pynee", or
>> "pynie" ... considering those are not taken either?

>
> Pynie's taken too -- it's the Python implementation on the Parrot VM.
>

"PyNatInt" gets no hits on Google.
 
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Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet
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      07-07-2010
* rantingrick, on 07.07.2010 07:42:
> On Jul 6, 9:11 pm, "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet"<alf.p.steinbach
> (E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> "pyni"! Pronounced like "tiny"! Yay!

>
> hmm, how's about an alternate spelling... "pyknee", or "pynee", or
> "pynie" ... considering those are not taken either?


Hm, for pure shock value I think I'll use the acronym PYthon Native Interface
Support.

pynis!

A set of C++ classes to ease the writing of extensions.

Like,


<code file="Ptr.h">
// progrock.pynis -- "Python Native Interface Support"
// A simple C++ framework for writing Python 3.x extensions.
//
// Copyright (C) Alf P. Steinbach, 2010.

#ifndef PYNIS_PTR_H
#define PYNIS_PTR_H
#include <progrock/cppx/devsupport/better_experience.h>


//----------------------------------------- Dependencies:

#include <Python.h>
#include <assert.h>
#include <algorithm>



//----------------------------------------- Interface:

namespace progrock{ namespace pynis {

enum DoAddRef { doAddRef };

class Ptr
{
private:
PyObject* p_;

public:
Ptr( PyObject* p = 0 ): p_( p )
{}

Ptr( PyObject* p, DoAddRef ): p_( p )
{
assert( p != 0 );
Py_INCREF( p_ );
}

Ptr( Ptr const& other ): p_( other.p_ )
{
Py_XINCREF( p_ );
}

~Ptr()
{
Py_XDECREF( p_ );
}

void swapWith( Ptr& other ) { std::swap( p_, other.p_ ); }
Ptr& operator=( Ptr other ) { swapWith( other ); return *this; }

PyObject* get() const { return p_; }

PyObject* release()
{
PyObject* const result = p_;
Py_XDECREF( p_ );
p_ = 0;
return result;
}
};

} } // namespace progrock:ynis


#endif
</code>


Cheers,

- Alf (shocked)

PS: Darn, forgot to google it. But I think it's unlikely the name's already in use!

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Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet
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      07-08-2010
* Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet, on 08.07.2010 01:47:
>
> enum DoAddRef { doAddRef };
>
> class Ptr
> {
> private:
> PyObject* p_;
>
> public:
> Ptr( PyObject* p = 0 ): p_( p )
> {}
>
> Ptr( PyObject* p, DoAddRef ): p_( p )
> {
> assert( p != 0 );
> Py_INCREF( p_ );
> }
>
> Ptr( Ptr const& other ): p_( other.p_ )
> {
> Py_XINCREF( p_ );
> }
>
> ~Ptr()
> {
> Py_XDECREF( p_ );
> }
>
> void swapWith( Ptr& other ) { std::swap( p_, other.p_ ); }
> Ptr& operator=( Ptr other ) { swapWith( other ); return *this; }
>
> PyObject* get() const { return p_; }
>
> PyObject* release()
> {
> PyObject* const result = p_;
> Py_XDECREF( p_ );


Hark. This Py_XDECREF shouldn't be there, I don't know how it got there. The
whole point of 'release', with conventional semantics, is to /not/ decrement the
reference count.


> p_ = 0;
> return result;
> }
> };



Sorry for posting unfinished code,

- Alf


PS: "pyni" was a good name. But in use! When I thought about adding the "s" as
disambiguation I thought the pure shock value of that was funny in a way, but
now it doesn't seem funny. Is "pytes" (Python Extension Support) a good name?

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Dennis Lee Bieber
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      07-08-2010
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 04:42:59 +0200, "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet"
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> PS: "pyni" was a good name. But in use! When I thought about adding the "s" as
> disambiguation I thought the pure shock value of that was funny in a way, but
> now it doesn't seem funny. Is "pytes" (Python Extension Support) a good name?


How about "pyes"... (which reminds me... dinner awaits)
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