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Dudley Hanks
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      06-27-2010

"Peter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Dudley Hanks" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Robert Coe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 21:56:54 +0100, Paul Heslop
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>> wrote:
>>> : Jane Galt wrote:
>>> : >
>>> : > FYI, for the few friendlies here, I decided to order the SD4000IS.
>>> : >
>>> : > But this group is too infested with communist types to have a viable
>>> : > discussion about photo topics.
>>> : >
>>> : heh, communist types.
>>>
>>> Well, consider the source. Jane appears to have named herself after a
>>> character in one of Ayn Rand's ultra-capitalist screeds. Everything
>>> looks
>>> yellow to a jaundiced eye.
>>>
>>> Not that the group actually is infested with communist types, but that
>>> wouldn't preclude a viable discussion about photo topics. After all, the
>>> Exakta was made in East Germany. ;^)
>>>
>>> Bob

>>
>> To Jane, you have to be far right of a Republican to avoid the
>> "communist" label...
>>

>
>
> Coming from her, the "communist" label is a badge of honor
>
> --
> Peter


Indeed, she does seem to apply it to only those who think...

Take Care,
Dudley


 
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      06-27-2010

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> Peter wrote:
>> "Dudley Hanks" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:3PJVn.7809$Z6.2133@edtnps82...
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>>> "Robert Coe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 21:56:54 +0100, Paul Heslop
>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> : Jane Galt wrote:
>>>> : >
>>>> : > FYI, for the few friendlies here, I decided to order the SD4000IS.
>>>> : >
>>>> : > But this group is too infested with communist types to have a
>>>> viable
>>>> : > discussion about photo topics.
>>>> : >
>>>> : heh, communist types.
>>>>
>>>> Well, consider the source. Jane appears to have named herself after a
>>>> character in one of Ayn Rand's ultra-capitalist screeds. Everything
>>>> looks
>>>> yellow to a jaundiced eye.
>>>>
>>>> Not that the group actually is infested with communist types, but that
>>>> wouldn't preclude a viable discussion about photo topics. After all,
>>>> the
>>>> Exakta was made in East Germany. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>
>>> To Jane, you have to be far right of a Republican to avoid the
>>> "communist" label...
>>>

>>
>>
>> Coming from her, the "communist" label is a badge of honor
>>

> I wonder if she is planning to apologize to BP, a la Joe Barton, to whom
> "bidnesses", especially corporations, can do no wrong? Incidentally, I
> have found a good place in my killfile for "Jane Galt", whoever he/she/it
> may be.
> Allen


Yep, she's in mine too, keeping LOL and Navas company...

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Dudley Hanks
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      06-27-2010

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> Savageduck wrote:
>>
>> For the most part, the terms "communist", "socialist", "leftist",
>> "fascist", "elitist", etc. etc. are epithets ignorantly thrown about by
>> knee-jerk reactionaries. They might as well use, "bastard" or "SOB"
>> because their ignorance of the true meaning of the words makes the insult
>> lame.

>
> Yes, and they do! Ignorance and churlishness at the extremes of both left
> and right are the rule, not the exception. Please note I say "extremes".
> (Not underlining for you, Duck, but a few others.)
>
> --
> john mcwilliams


Yep, if you go far enough left or right, you end up at the same place,
justified by somewhat different rationales, but the same place
nonetheless...

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Dudley


 
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Robert Coe
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      06-28-2010
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:24:34 -0500, Jane Galt <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
: Not to mention the pervasive communist-socialist influence in Hollywood:
:
: http://vivirlatino.com/2007/06/26/ca...se-****es-off-
: peruvians.php
:
: Cameron Diaz’s purse ****es off Peruvians
:
: 1:52 pm By Jennifer Woodard Maderazo · Celebrities|Fashion|Peru|Politics
: 26 Jun 2007
:
: diazperu-cp-201618.jpgCameron Diaz is saying sorry today for a cultural faux
: pas related to her choice of purses. Last week she was photographed at Machu
: Pichu sporting a Maoist-themed bag which stirred up all kinds of emotions:
:
: The voice of Princess Fiona in the animated “Shrek” films visited the
: Incan city of Machu Picchu in Peru’s Andes on Friday carrying an olive green
: bag emblazoned with a red star and the words “Serve the People” printed in
: Chinese, perhaps Chinese Communist leader Mao Zedong’s most famous political
: slogan.
:
: The bags are marketed as fashion accessories in some world capitals, but
: in Peru the slogan evokes memories of the Maoist Shining Path insurgency that
: fought the government in the 1980s and early 1990s in a bloody conflict that
: left nearly 70,000 people dead.
:
: Not even to mention the fact that Mao killed 70 million chinese.

I'm not sure what point you're making here, Jane, but as a committed
libertarian, you've gotta stand up for Ms Díaz. Free Speech, ya know.

Bob
 
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      06-28-2010
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:08:42 -0500, Jane Galt <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
: Robert Coe <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote :
:
: > On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 21:56:54 +0100, Paul Heslop
: > <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
: >: Jane Galt wrote:
: >: >
: >: > FYI, for the few friendlies here, I decided to order the SD4000IS.
: >: >
: >: > But this group is too infested with communist types to have a viable
: >: > discussion about photo topics.
: >: >
: >: heh, communist types.
: >
: > Well, consider the source. Jane appears to have named herself after a
: > character in one of Ayn Rand's ultra-capitalist screeds. Everything
: > looks yellow to a jaundiced eye.
:
: Smear people who believe in freedom. Very nice.

You obviously think I'm one of your "communist types". This may come as a
shock to you; but given the demographics of Usenet, the odds are that I've
been a registered Republican for longer than you've been alive.

: > Not that the group actually is infested with communist types, but that
: > wouldn't preclude a viable discussion about photo topics. After all, the
: > Exakta was made in East Germany. ;^)
:
: The what? LOL

I'm sure none of us are surprised that you don't know what it was.

Bob
 
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Robert Coe
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      06-28-2010
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:18:08 -0500, Jane Galt <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
: Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote :
:
:
: > As a 61 year old atheist, American, I have known many non-communist
: > socialists, but I have only personally known one affirmed
: > communist/Marxist/socialist. He was the black sheep of a prominent and
: > wealthy South African family. He headed the Chilean radio service under
: > Allende, and was lucky to get away with his head after the 1973 CIA
: > supported coup which backed that fine upstanding conservative right
: > winger, Pinochet.
: >
: > The last I heard of him, some 15 years ago, he had assumed a bit of a
: > capitalist mantle, running an oyster farming operating on an island off
: > the Chilean coast.
: >
: > For the most part, the terms "communist", "socialist", "leftist",
: > "fascist", "elitist", etc. etc. are epithets ignorantly thrown about by
: > knee-jerk reactionaries. They might as well use, "bastard" or "SOB"
: > because their ignorance of the true meaning of the words makes the
: > insult lame.
: >
:
:
: This is like shooting Savage Ducks in a barrel. LOL!
:
: http://www.cpusa.org/
:
: http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/
:
: " But what about Obama’s secret political life? It turns out that Obama’s
: childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.
:
: In his books, Obama admits attending “socialist conferences” and coming
: into contact with Marxist literature."
:
: "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The
: more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos.
: The Marxist professors and structural feminists." - Barack Obama
:
: "Oooh. Van Jones, alright! So, Van Jones. We were so delighted to be able
: to recruit him into the White House. We were watching him, uh, really, he’s
: not that old, for as long as he’s been active out in Oakland. And all the
: creative ideas he has. And so now, we have captured that. And we have all
: that energy in the White House." - Valerie Jarrett, senior advisor and
: assistant to the president for Public Engagement and Intergovernmental
: Affairs for the Obama administration.
:
: Van Jones:
:
: "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down
: on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist.
:
: "I met all these young radical people of color - I mean really radical:
: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a
: part of.' I spent the next 10 years of my life working with a lot of those
: people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary," he said." ( 2002 )
:
: "I'm willing to forego the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the
: deep satisfaction of radical ends." -- Van Jones, 2009, after he was
: transferred out of the White House when the above statements were exposed
: on the Glenn Beck Program.
:
:
: Note "redistributive", as in "redistribution of wealth":
:
: Barack Obama, in 2001:
:
: You know, if you look at the victories and failures of the civil-rights
: movement, and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it
: succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So
: that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a
: lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it, I’d be okay, but
: the Supreme Court never entered into the issues of redistribution of
: wealth, and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in
: this society.
:
: And uh, to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize
: the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the
: essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the
: Constitution — at least as it’s been interpreted, and Warren Court
: interpreted it in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a
: charter of negative liberties: [It] says what the states can’t do to you,
: says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what
: the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.
:
: And that hasn’t shifted, and one of the, I think, the tragedies of the
: civil-rights movement was because the civil-rights movement became so
: court-focused, uh, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the
: political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are
: able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring
: about redistributive change. And in some ways we still suffer from that.
:
: A caller then helpfully asks: “The gentleman made the point that the Warren
: Court wasn’t terribly radical. My question is (with economic changes)… my
: question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work, economically,
: and is that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to change
: place?”
:
: Obama replies:
:
: You know, I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive
: change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.
: [snip] You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues, you
: know, in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that
: essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time. You know, the court
: is just not very good at it, and politically, it’s just very hard to
: legitimize opinions from the court in that regard."
:
:
: Want more?
:
: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the
: name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program
: until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how
: it happened." – Norman Thomas, Socialist Party presidential candidate 1936-
: 1968, co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union
:
: "We can’t expect the American people to jump from Capitalism to Communism,
: but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of
: Socialism UNTIL they awaken one day to find they HAVE COMMUNISM." -- Nikita
: Kruschev, 1959
:
: "There is no such thing as a liberal...There hasn't been for a long, long
: time. I never use the word and you shouldn't either - nobody should.
: 'Liberal' is what socialists call themselves when they don't want you to
: understand that they plan to take away your rights, your property, and
: eventually your life." -- Alexander Hope
:
: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/g...115&type=issue

Barack Obama is a centerist who would have made a good Republican. At an
earlier time in American history (various earlier times, actually) he might
well have been one. The intellectual bankruptcy of the current Republican
party, which pains me deeply since I am a Republican, is illustrated by the
absurdity of the proposition that Obama could ever choose to be a Republican
today.

Bob
 
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      06-28-2010

"Robert Coe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:24:34 -0500, Jane Galt <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> : Not to mention the pervasive communist-socialist influence in Hollywood:
> :
> : http://vivirlatino.com/2007/06/26/ca...se-****es-off-
> : peruvians.php
> :
> : Cameron Diaz's purse ****es off Peruvians
> :
> : 1:52 pm By Jennifer Woodard Maderazo · Celebrities|Fashion|Peru|Politics
> : 26 Jun 2007
> :
> : diazperu-cp-201618.jpgCameron Diaz is saying sorry today for a cultural
> faux
> : pas related to her choice of purses. Last week she was photographed at
> Machu
> : Pichu sporting a Maoist-themed bag which stirred up all kinds of
> emotions:
> :
> : The voice of Princess Fiona in the animated "Shrek" films visited
> the
> : Incan city of Machu Picchu in Peru's Andes on Friday carrying an olive
> green
> : bag emblazoned with a red star and the words "Serve the People" printed
> in
> : Chinese, perhaps Chinese Communist leader Mao Zedong's most famous
> political
> : slogan.
> :
> : The bags are marketed as fashion accessories in some world capitals,
> but
> : in Peru the slogan evokes memories of the Maoist Shining Path insurgency
> that
> : fought the government in the 1980s and early 1990s in a bloody conflict
> that
> : left nearly 70,000 people dead.
> :
> : Not even to mention the fact that Mao killed 70 million chinese.
>
> I'm not sure what point you're making here, Jane, but as a committed
> libertarian, you've gotta stand up for Ms Díaz. Free Speech, ya know.
>
> Bob


It's only free speech when you say what Jane wants you to ...

Take Care,
Dudley


 
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      06-28-2010
Jane Galt <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Paul Heslop <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote :
>> Pete wrote:
>>> On 2010-06-27 16:07:43 +0100, Dudley Hanks said:


>>> > To Jane, you have to be far right of a Republican to avoid the
>>> > "communist" label...
>>>
>>> And agree with everything she says.
>>>

>> that's the magic answer!

>
>Very funny guys, but in fact it's the socialist left that's now pushing for


Rightards use the word "socialist" but don't even know what it means.

>the "fairness doctrine" so they can shut down the free speech of anyone who
>disagrees with them. ( like for example Glenn Beck )


Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying.

>90% of the media leans socialist,


The truth has a well-known liberal bias.

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      06-28-2010
Jane Galt <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Not to mention the pervasive communist-socialist influence in Hollywood:


Kook.

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Jane Galt <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Robert Coe <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote :
>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 21:56:54 +0100, Paul Heslop
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>: Jane Galt wrote:
>>: >
>>: > FYI, for the few friendlies here, I decided to order the SD4000IS.
>>: >
>>: > But this group is too infested with communist types to have a viable
>>: > discussion about photo topics.
>>: >
>>: heh, communist types.
>>
>> Well, consider the source. Jane appears to have named herself after a
>> character in one of Ayn Rand's ultra-capitalist screeds. Everything
>> looks yellow to a jaundiced eye.

>
>Smear people who believe in freedom. Very nice.


But you don't believe in freedom. You believe in having everybody do
as you say.

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