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Tony
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      06-22-2010
But if the person was in Canaduh the odds would be 100 percent certain the
complete and total fault would lie with the internet service provider and
all their lies. What a difference a border makes.

chuckcar wrote:

> "Respondant" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:hvoj83$aog$(E-Mail Removed):
>
> > Here's what I know:
> >
> > - Windows Vista box.
> > - All worked well until 2 days ago.
> > - Sole computer in the home.
> > - No router.
> > - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they
> > was/wer the problem) yesterday.
> > - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no Internet
> > Connection"
> > - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
> >
> > Issues:
> >
> > - Still no Internet connection.
> > - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her
> > modem, and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's a
> > hardware issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
> > - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
> > - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
> >
> > What I Would Like to Know:
> >
> > - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking the
> > box and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
> >

> 1. Splitters
> 2. Phone cords over 10'
> 3. Bad filters on phone jacks
> 4. Anything but the network card and tcp/ip in networking
> 5. Malware
> 6. Phone line problems
> 7. Startup slowing down the computer to a crawl
> 8. Corrupted windows drivers - fixed by R&R connumications along with
> removing *everything* from network properties (or whatever MS decides to
> call it in that version of windows).
>
> You prove hardware is bad by eliminating all software causes.
>
> --
> (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )


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      06-22-2010
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:10:12 -0700, Jordon wrote:

[...]
>
> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds like an
> error from a wireless interface.


....and you think you can hear sound from a text-only newsgroup? Lemme
guess... you're related to Teh Chucktard, aren't you?

> I don't think I've ever seen that error
> with a wired connection.


Unless you can show that Vista is somehow different, it is entirely
possible to see that message with wired connection.


 
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      06-22-2010
Mike Yetto wrote:
> Respondant <(E-Mail Removed)> writes and having writ moves on.
>> Here's what I know:
>>
>> - Windows Vista box.
>> - All worked well until 2 days ago.
>> - Sole computer in the home.
>> - No router.
>> - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they
>> was/wer the problem) yesterday.
>> - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no
>> Internet Connection"
>> - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
>>
>> Issues:
>>
>> - Still no Internet connection.
>> - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her
>> modem, and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's
>> a hardware issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
>> - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
>> - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
>>
>> What I Would Like to Know:
>>
>> - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking
>> the box and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
>>

>
> Aside from the advice to check for DHCP misconfigurations and
> having a spare NIC to play with, I'd suggest looking for an ISP
> that has fewer asshats playing with the support phones. Being
> able to see the modem doesn't tell them if the signal is clean or
> within the proper dB range.
>
> If you can't fix it by adjusting the network settings or
> switching the NIC try calling the support wimps and ask for
> someone with some knowledge.
>
> Mike "nycap Road Runner just keeps looking better" Yetto


Printed all relevant replies. I'm gonna get over there Wednesday morning
and try all sugestions before replacing the NIC. I'll get back to this
thread then, and let y'all know how it turned out.


 
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Tony
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      06-22-2010
I'll tell you you're fortunate you don't live in Canada, home of the worst
broadband internet service in the entire world. Port blocking, FROGThrottle
boxes, minuscule caps, huge overuse charges. worst infrastructure in the
world, the first country in the world to drop usenet service and the paki
support line to shoot you endless spiel's of bullshit as to why your internet
service never works and is as slow as dial-up.

Respondant wrote:

> Mike Yetto wrote:
> > Respondant <(E-Mail Removed)> writes and having writ moves on.
> >> Here's what I know:
> >>
> >> - Windows Vista box.
> >> - All worked well until 2 days ago.
> >> - Sole computer in the home.
> >> - No router.
> >> - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they
> >> was/wer the problem) yesterday.
> >> - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no
> >> Internet Connection"
> >> - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
> >>
> >> Issues:
> >>
> >> - Still no Internet connection.
> >> - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her
> >> modem, and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's
> >> a hardware issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
> >> - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
> >> - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
> >>
> >> What I Would Like to Know:
> >>
> >> - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking
> >> the box and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
> >>

> >
> > Aside from the advice to check for DHCP misconfigurations and
> > having a spare NIC to play with, I'd suggest looking for an ISP
> > that has fewer asshats playing with the support phones. Being
> > able to see the modem doesn't tell them if the signal is clean or
> > within the proper dB range.
> >
> > If you can't fix it by adjusting the network settings or
> > switching the NIC try calling the support wimps and ask for
> > someone with some knowledge.
> >
> > Mike "nycap Road Runner just keeps looking better" Yetto

>
> Printed all relevant replies. I'm gonna get over there Wednesday morning
> and try all sugestions before replacing the NIC. I'll get back to this
> thread then, and let y'all know how it turned out.


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manners

Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day
on the job for potty mouth,

Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar

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the realm of understandability

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      06-22-2010
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:49:06 -0700, anyone ǝʇoɹʍ:

> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:10:12 -0700, Jordon wrote:
>
> [...]
>>
>> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds like an
>> error from a wireless interface.

>
> ...and you think you can hear sound from a text-only newsgroup? Lemme
> guess... you're related to Teh Chucktard, aren't you?


Jesus **** if you're going to insult someone make sure you have the
material to do it.
 
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      06-22-2010
Big 666 wrote:
> Jordon wrote:
>
>> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it
>> sounds like an error from a wireless interface. I don't
>> think I've ever seen that error with a wired connection.
>>

>
> That means the computer is trying to get a DHCP IP from a DHCP server,
> and it can't get one, so the O/S assigns the IP, which is an IP that
> will allow the machine to access another machine on a LAN, but the IP
> assigned by the O/S will not allow the IP to access the WAN/Internet
> "Limited or no Internet connection." And it pertains to a wired or
> wireless NIC that can't get a DHCP IP from the DHCP server on the network.


Then I guess that's why I've never seen it. I've been working
with networks since coax cable and BNC connectors were the
norm. It's probably been a long time since I've mis-configured
DHCP.
 
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      06-22-2010
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:21:41 -0700, Jordon ǝʇoɹʍ:

> Big 666 wrote:
>> Jordon wrote:
>>
>>> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds like an
>>> error from a wireless interface. I don't think I've ever seen that
>>> error with a wired connection.
>>>
>>>

>> That means the computer is trying to get a DHCP IP from a DHCP server,
>> and it can't get one, so the O/S assigns the IP, which is an IP that
>> will allow the machine to access another machine on a LAN, but the IP
>> assigned by the O/S will not allow the IP to access the WAN/Internet
>> "Limited or no Internet connection." And it pertains to a wired or
>> wireless NIC that can't get a DHCP IP from the DHCP server on the
>> network.

>
> Then I guess that's why I've never seen it. I've been working with
> networks since coax cable and BNC connectors were the norm. It's
> probably been a long time since I've mis-configured DHCP.


M$ tcp/ip stack always gives a 169.* addy when it can't get one from
DHCP. How the **** that box will talk on a 10.* or 192.* LAN I'dlove to
hear.
 
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      06-23-2010
Meat Plow wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:21:41 -0700, Jordon ??o??:
>
>> Big 666 wrote:
>>> Jordon wrote:
>>>
>>>> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds
>>>> like an error from a wireless interface. I don't think I've ever
>>>> seen that error with a wired connection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That means the computer is trying to get a DHCP IP from a DHCP
>>> server, and it can't get one, so the O/S assigns the IP, which is
>>> an IP that will allow the machine to access another machine on a
>>> LAN, but the IP assigned by the O/S will not allow the IP to access
>>> the WAN/Internet "Limited or no Internet connection." And it
>>> pertains to a wired or wireless NIC that can't get a DHCP IP from
>>> the DHCP server on the network.

>>
>> Then I guess that's why I've never seen it. I've been working with
>> networks since coax cable and BNC connectors were the norm. It's
>> probably been a long time since I've mis-configured DHCP.

>
> M$ tcp/ip stack always gives a 169.* addy when it can't get one from
> DHCP. How the **** that box will talk on a 10.* or 192.* LAN I'dlove
> to hear.


Bottom line is ....

In this particular case you were dead on the money. I tried the other stuff
people suggested but get this. Even after cycling both the machine and the
modem I kept coming up with an IP of 000.00.00.0.0. I NEVER have seen that
happen before. Regardless. Popped a new NIC in (it was an HP machine with
one of those onboard jobs that has like 4 USB connections as well), and
Tah-Dah. All's well.

Bill


 
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      06-23-2010
Respondant wrote:
> Meat Plow wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:21:41 -0700, Jordon ??o??:
>>
>>> Big 666 wrote:
>>>> Jordon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds
>>>>> like an error from a wireless interface. I don't think I've ever
>>>>> seen that error with a wired connection.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That means the computer is trying to get a DHCP IP from a DHCP
>>>> server, and it can't get one, so the O/S assigns the IP, which is
>>>> an IP that will allow the machine to access another machine on a
>>>> LAN, but the IP assigned by the O/S will not allow the IP to access
>>>> the WAN/Internet "Limited or no Internet connection." And it
>>>> pertains to a wired or wireless NIC that can't get a DHCP IP from
>>>> the DHCP server on the network.
>>>
>>> Then I guess that's why I've never seen it. I've been working with
>>> networks since coax cable and BNC connectors were the norm. It's
>>> probably been a long time since I've mis-configured DHCP.

>>
>> M$ tcp/ip stack always gives a 169.* addy when it can't get one from
>> DHCP. How the **** that box will talk on a 10.* or 192.* LAN I'dlove
>> to hear.

>
> Bottom line is ....
>
> In this particular case you were dead on the money. I tried the
> other stuff people suggested but get this. Even after cycling both
> the machine and the modem I kept coming up with an IP of
> 000.00.00.0.0. I NEVER have seen that happen before. Regardless. Popped
> a new NIC in (it was an HP machine with one of those onboard
> jobs that has like 4 USB connections as well), and Tah-Dah. All's
> well.
> Bill


Sorry. I put two extra zeros in the octet.

Bill


 
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      06-23-2010
Big 666 wrote:

> Respondant wrote:
>> Meat Plow wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:21:41 -0700, Jordon ??o??:
>>>
>>>> Big 666 wrote:
>>>>> Jordon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds
>>>>>> like an error from a wireless interface. I don't think I've ever
>>>>>> seen that error with a wired connection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> That means the computer is trying to get a DHCP IP from a DHCP
>>>>> server, and it can't get one, so the O/S assigns the IP, which is
>>>>> an IP that will allow the machine to access another machine on a
>>>>> LAN, but the IP assigned by the O/S will not allow the IP to
>>>>> access the WAN/Internet "Limited or no Internet connection." And
>>>>> it pertains to a wired or wireless NIC that can't get a DHCP IP
>>>>> from the DHCP server on the network.
>>>> Then I guess that's why I've never seen it. I've been working with
>>>> networks since coax cable and BNC connectors were the norm. It's
>>>> probably been a long time since I've mis-configured DHCP.
>>> M$ tcp/ip stack always gives a 169.* addy when it can't get one from
>>> DHCP. How the **** that box will talk on a 10.* or 192.* LAN I'dlove
>>> to hear.

>>
>> Bottom line is ....
>>
>> In this particular case you were dead on the money. I tried the
>> other stuff people suggested but get this. Even after cycling both
>> the machine and the modem I kept coming up with an IP of
>> 000.00.00.0.0. I NEVER have seen that happen before. Regardless. Popped
>> a new NIC in (it was an HP machine with one of those onboard
>> jobs that has like 4 USB connections as well), and Tah-Dah. All's
>> well.

>
>
> If the NIC was working, but for some other reason the NIC and the O/S
> couldn't get an IP from a DHCP server on the network, then the O/S
> would assign the 169. IP for limited connection on the LAN with no
> connection on the WAN.
>
> The NIC was not working period, and therefore, the NIC has a 0 IP.


That's why I found it odd that Comcast swore up and down they could see her
modem online BEFORE I swapped-out the NIC. That, And I've NEVER seen a NIC
report an IP as all zeros before. Whatever. It's fixed.


 
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