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In article
<4be409ae-e27a-4084-a551->,
spinoza1111 <> wrote:

> On Jun 2, 8:45*pm, Tim Streater <timstrea...@waitrose.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <d3a189c5-4aea-426c-8fe3-6d9e92ecf...@t14g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > *spinoza1111<spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Jun 2, 2:27*pm, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> > > > 2. *What makes a good teacher's mistakes useful is that the teacher can
> > > > point them out and explain why they are mistakes. *This usually
> > > > requires an interactive environment. *It also requires a willingness to
> > > > admit that they were mistakes.
> >
> > > There is of course no such thing as an absolute mistake for the SAME
> > > reason "all code has bugs" (your code has far more than the usual).
> > > That is: the correctness of any program is a social truth and is
> > > constituted in whether it is useful and safe, not that it is "free of
> > > bugs". Your code is useless and unsafe, whereas most of the bugs you
> > > point out in Schildt are under circumstances that rarely occur.
> >
> > Was this reply to Seebs typed by a human or some of those
> > monkeys-at-keyboards whose output will eventually include the works of
> > the world's finest authors?
>
> No. It's merely the case that you were carefully educated to be unable
> to either read or write a sentence of a high complexity, so as to make
> you a safe worker bee.

Ah, content-free then. I thought as much.

> >
> > Spinny's burblings here are the best example of a non-sequitur that I've
> > seen in a coon's age!
>
> You're also a ****ing racist asshole.

You could try checking the etymology of the expression. You might learn
something (again), O ignorant lout.

--
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689

In article <>,
Richard Heathfield <> wrote:

> Tim Streater wrote:
> > In article
> > <4be409ae-e27a-4084-a551->,
> > spinoza1111 <> wrote:
> >
> >> On Jun 2, 8:45 pm, Tim Streater <timstrea...@waitrose.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >>> Spinny's burblings here are the best example of a non-sequitur that I've
> >>> seen in a coon's age!
> >> You're also a ****ing racist asshole.
> >
> > You might learn something (again), O ignorant lout.
>
> Are you a betting man, by any chance?

I agree it's long odds.

--
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689

On Jun 1, 1:12*pm, "iC and iC++" <mahd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 30, 11:15*pm, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/26.07.html
>
> > Peter Neumann has apologized for publishing my article on Schildt. He
> > now says he feels it was not appropriate.
>
> > My guess is that he was spammed by protests from people invested in
> > the anti-Schildt cause.
>
> > I have sent a private email to Neumann, requesting a retraction "of
> > the retraction" based on the fact that while he sent me a private
> > email saying it would be published in 26.06 because of its length, he
> > did not make any negative comments as to whether it was appropriate. I
> > said that people like Schildt have a right not to be attacked based on
> > shibboleths, by ignorant individuals without standing.
>
> > This issue is not going away.
>
> Who is Schildt? - Hide quoted text -

Herb Schildt is a somewhat notorious author of a number of popular but
*deeply* flawed books on C and C++. Most of these works are marked
"Not Recommended" by the Association of C and C++ Users
(www.accu.org), and a number of other reviewers (including Peter
Seebach and Clive Feather) have pointed out some of the errors on
their own websites. I had a copy of the 1st edition of "C: The
Complete Reference" back when I was in college (1986-89 timeframe)
that eventually wound up in the trash; many of the examples wouldn't
compile, and the ones that did had numerous runtime errors. It didn't
help that he explained basic concepts incorrectly and confused DOS-
specific extensions with the core library. The current (4th) edition
still has problems.

Despite this, Schildt is held up as an authority on C programming. Go
figure.

> What is Shibboleths?

As is being used here, a shibboleth is a cultural feature that
identifies you as part of a group, usually in the form of a word or
phrase, although it could be something like a secret handshake or
other specific ritual.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:57:10 -0700 (PDT), spinoza1111
<> wrote:

>> Does anyone else find it ironic (or even true) that simply knowing the
>> _meaning_ of the word "shibboleth" is probably a, well, shibboleth
>> identifying readers of clc? *=)
>>
>> I know _I_ didn't know the word until coming here. Hmmm, dare I say
>> that
>> I may have actually learned something from you-know-who?
>
>I was the first to use the word. Prior to 1987, I understood it,
>rather vaguely, to mean an accepted belief or catchphrase of vaguely
>Hebrew origin.

You were "first to use that word"?

"Vaguely Hebrew origin"?

On the one hand, you assert you invented a word from the Old
Testament, that anyone who went to Sunday School or read a Gideon
Bible on a slow night should be familiar with, on the other you aren't
sure if it's Hebrew. Seems you are conflicted between your pretensions
to scholarship and the hatred of Israel that you randomly inject into
posts here.

===============
Judges 12
The Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan leading to Ephraim,
and whenever a survivor of Ephraim said, "Let me cross over," the men
of Gilead asked him, "Are you an Ephraimite?" If he replied, "No,"
they said, "All right, say 'Shibboleth.' " He said, "Sibboleth,"
because he could not pronounce the word correctly, they seized him and
killed him at the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand Ephraimites
were killed at that time.
==============

On Jun 3, 3:23*am, Tim Streater <timstrea...@waitrose.com> wrote:
> In article
> <4be409ae-e27a-4084-a551-ccd0e6b37...@11g2000prv.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> *spinoza1111<spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 2, 8:45*pm, Tim Streater <timstrea...@waitrose.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <d3a189c5-4aea-426c-8fe3-6d9e92ecf...@t14g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > *spinoza1111<spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jun 2, 2:27*pm, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> > > > > 2. *What makes a good teacher's mistakes useful is that the teacher can
> > > > > point them out and explain why they are mistakes. *This usually
> > > > > requires an interactive environment. *It also requires a willingness to
> > > > > admit that they were mistakes.
>
> > > > There is of course no such thing as an absolute mistake for the SAME
> > > > reason "all code has bugs" (your code has far more than the usual).
> > > > That is: the correctness of any program is a social truth and is
> > > > constituted in whether it is useful and safe, not that it is "free of
> > > > bugs". Your code is useless and unsafe, whereas most of the bugs you
> > > > point out in Schildt are under circumstances that rarely occur.
>
> > > Was this reply to Seebs typed by a human or some of those
> > > monkeys-at-keyboards whose output will eventually include the works of
> > > the world's finest authors?
>
> > No. It's merely the case that you were carefully educated to be unable
> > to either read or write a sentence of a high complexity, so as to make
> > you a safe worker bee.
>
> Ah, content-free then. I thought as much.
>
>
>
> > > Spinny's burblings here are the best example of a non-sequitur that I've
> > > seen in a coon's age!
>
> > You're also a ****ing racist asshole.
>
> You could try checking the etymology of the expression. You might learn
> something (again), O ignorant lout.

No need, racist. "Coon" in America is a racist slur. If you're some
sort of Limey sod, then you knew this after the first time you used it
because I told you.

Any time, any place, scumbag.
>
> --
> Tim
>
> "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
> nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" *-- *Bill of Rights 1689

On Jun 3, 8:27*am, Colonel Harlan Sanders <Har...@kfc.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:57:10 -0700 (PDT),spinoza1111
>
> <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Does anyone else find it ironic (or even true) that simply knowing the
> >> _meaning_ of the word "shibboleth" is probably a, well, shibboleth
> >> identifying readers of clc? *=)
>
> >> I know _I_ didn't know the word until coming here. Hmmm, dare I say
> >> that
> >> I may have actually learned something from you-know-who?
>
> >I was the first to use the word. Prior to 1987, I understood it,
> >rather vaguely, to mean an accepted belief or catchphrase of vaguely
> >Hebrew origin.
>
> You were "first to use that word"?
>
> "Vaguely Hebrew origin"?
>
> On the one hand, you assert you invented a word from the Old
> Testament, that anyone who went to Sunday School or read a Gideon
> Bible on a slow night should be familiar with, on the other you aren't
> sure if it's Hebrew. Seems you are conflicted between your pretensions
> to scholarship and the hatred of Israel that you randomly inject into
> posts *here.
>
> ===============
> Judges 12
> The Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan leading to Ephraim,
> and whenever a survivor of Ephraim said, "Let me cross over," the men
> of Gilead asked him, "Are you an Ephraimite?" If he replied, "No,"
> they said, "All right, say 'Shibboleth.' " He said, "Sibboleth,"
> because he could not pronounce the word correctly, they seized him and
> killed him at the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand Ephraimites
> were killed at that time.
> ==============

Guess I didn't read my bible enough. We Catholics prefer not to. Most
translations are garbage and like the British constitution, the Bible
is collection of incoherent documents.

Like the story of Onan the wanker, the story of the Shibboleth is
unedifying, and directly responsible for the murder of activists last
Monday on the Mavi Marmara.

Instead, I determined the MODERN meaning of "Shibboleth" from art
books long before my talk with professor Howarth.

Of course, Reading Rainbow, your reading comprehension again fails. I
meant, of course, that I was the first to use it in this newsgroup,
probably.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 22:41:35 -0700 (PDT), spinoza1111
<> wrote:


>Guess I didn't read my bible enough. We Catholics prefer not to. Most
>translations are garbage and like the British constitution, the Bible
>is collection of incoherent documents.
>
>Like the story of Onan the wanker, the story of the Shibboleth is
>unedifying, and directly responsible for the murder of activists last
>Monday on the Mavi Marmara.
>
>Instead, I determined the MODERN meaning of "Shibboleth" from art
>books long before my talk with professor Howarth.

How odd that you so aggressively profess ignorance of this, when
otherwise you assert familiarity with classic literature.

I guess Seebach was right, you really do just automatically choose the
opposite position of your enemies, regardless if it makes any sense,
in this case you are trying to distinguish yourself from Heathfield,
who you have abused for his religious beliefs.


>Of course, Reading Rainbow, your reading comprehension again fails. I
>meant, of course, that I was the first to use it in this newsgroup,
>probably.

What you "meant" isn't what you said.

You may indeed be the first person to use that word in this newsgroup.
Well, big deal.
But more interesting, I tried to do some research on word use in
Usenet.

Though Google has truly ****ed up its search interface to the point
one can hardly trust it, it did find in Aug 3 1992:

>From what I've seen of his posts, if Ed Nilges said
>George Bush was a liar--that is to say, if he made an empirically
>verifiable statement about Bush's mendacity--I'd have to re-register
>as a Republican.
>
>Well, I wouldn't really go *that* far, but you get my point. The Duke of
>Nilgewater is probably your best advertisement.

Now that must make you feel proud. While bullschildt is forgotten
except by a few scholars, we're all familiar with Nilgewater after
over 20 years of hard trolling.

In article
<ce7b62b6-aaf2-497a-8517->,
spinoza1111 <> wrote:

> On Jun 3, 3:23*am, Tim Streater <timstrea...@waitrose.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <4be409ae-e27a-4084-a551-ccd0e6b37...@11g2000prv.googlegroups.com>,

> > You could try checking the etymology of the expression. You might learn
> > something (again), O ignorant lout.
>
> No need, racist. "Coon" in America is a racist slur. If you're some
> sort of Limey sod, then you knew this after the first time you used it
> because I told you.

I'm not in America, ****-for-brains. In any case, if anything, it would
be a British racist slur on Africans. I never heard it used or referred
to while I was in the US.

We're not interested in your childish posturing here; go and learn
something.

--
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689

In article <1ZSdnY6s5KhC->,
Richard Heathfield <> wrote:

> spinoza1111 wrote:
> > On Jun 3, 3:23 am, Tim Streater <timstrea...@waitrose.com> wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <4be409ae-e27a-4084-a551-ccd0e6b37...@11g2000prv.googlegroups.com>,
> >> spinoza1111<spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jun 2, 8:45 pm, Tim Streater <timstrea...@waitrose.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >>
> >>>> Spinny's burblings here are the best example of a non-sequitur that I've
> >>>> seen in a coon's age!
> >>> You're also a ****ing racist asshole.
> >> You could try checking the etymology of the expression. You might learn
> >> something (again), O ignorant lout.
> >
> > No need, racist. "Coon" in America is a racist slur.
>
> Tim, that's a fiver you owe me. He didn't learn nuffin.

Ah, knickers!

--
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689

On Jun 3, 4:22*pm, Tim Streater <timstrea...@waitrose.com> wrote:
> In article
> <ce7b62b6-aaf2-497a-8517-581861636...@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>
> *spinoza1111<spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 3, 3:23*am, Tim Streater <timstrea...@waitrose.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <4be409ae-e27a-4084-a551-ccd0e6b37...@11g2000prv.googlegroups.com>,
> > > You could try checking the etymology of the expression. You might learn
> > > something (again), O ignorant lout.
>
> > No need, racist. "Coon" in America is a racist slur. If you're some
> > sort of Limey sod, then you knew this after the first time you used it
> > because I told you.
>
> I'm not in America, ****-for-brains. In any case, if anything, it would

I already told you the first time you used it that it was racist,
wanker. At that point you needed to stop since it would intimidate or
offend African Americans coming here to learn about C, you Limey son
of a bitch. You didn't.

> be a British racist slur on Africans. I never heard it used or referred
> to while I was in the US.
>
> We're not interested in your childish posturing here; go and learn
> something.

Make me.
>
> --
> Tim
>
> "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
> nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" *-- *Bill of Rights 1689